That's a completely different matter. People are saying "he's a bad keeper, get rid" which is just patently absurd.
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That's a completely different matter. People are saying "he's a bad keeper, get rid" which is just patently absurd.
Release mata and give him his free wages and renew or sell. No more poor slack management of player contracts.
The pros and cons, unless there's good reasons to worry about his form, would probably indicate this as the best option. We're unlikely to fetch a major fee and his replacement would cost a fair whack of €. Given our predicaments in terms of having to replace Herrera, sign a first choice midfielder, first choice cb, first choice fullback, which will amount to a feckload of €, odds are that having to replace De Gea would mean that there's less room for investing in other players. Chelsea and Liverpool more or less set the standard for what highly regarded goalkeepers cost
No, put him on the market for sale, sell him to juventus I don't care, we aren't getting to that point. If he refuses than better bench him for whole season. If he wants to leave we better get out fee.
So how much does he want and how much has he been offered?
No one can ever report that with certainty.
have you ever watch Benitez???
No. That's why I said he "seems" to be the highest rated.
Pros and cons, pros and cons.
I don't see any cons if he goes this summer.
De Gea might have been mediocre this season, but you're saying you've been saying it for years. Which is nonsense.
We're unlikely to fetch a major fee and his replacement would cost a fair whack of €. Given our predicaments in terms of having to replace Herrera, sign a first choice midfielder, first choice cb, first choice fullback, which will amount to a feckload of €, odds are that having to replace De Gea would mean that there's less room for investing in other players. Chelsea and Liverpool more or less set the standard for what highly regarded goalkeepers cost
What if DeGea doesn’t ever come out of his slump, I mean it’s nearly a year now and he still hasn’t regained form from the World Cup.
I think Ronaldo broke him and Messi finished him off. Big risk handing him 350k a week for 4 years or whatever he wants could be another Sanchez situation.
I’d give him another year or 6 months before handing him a contract.
I think Ronaldo broke him and Messi finished him off. Big risk handing him 350k a week for 4 years or whatever he wants could be another Sanchez situation.
I’d give him another year or 6 months before handing him a contract.
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Romero is good enough to replace him for a season, while use what ever fee we get from the likes of teams who have no chance of signing him for free to beat the competition. Use the money to get another keeper next season. Players who don't have the right attitude and do t want to stay should get no where near that first team lineup anymore.
The message will be heard loud and clear amongst the dressing room and set a precedent of a new united under ole. United's interests above anyone else. Let's see if he is willing to sit on the bench for whole season while running down his contract and go into euros without any game time.
It's sad enough that I waste hours of my life debating on football forums without lying when I'm on here.
Why do u think its nonsense?
I am sure you are trolling. Every single player has a run of bad form, if you completely forget the 5 years he was immense and just focus on these last 2 months then good luck finding someone who never has a run of bad form. Calling him a mediocre keeper
Still nobody has dared to explain what he was doing for that goal then.
The general gist here seems to be that the less Romero plays, the more rated he gets. At best he's an average keeper, handy to have around as a backup we can use in various cup runs.
Uniteds best interest isn't holding petty grudges just for the sake of it, there's absolutely no issue whatsoever to keep playing someone that enters the last and final year at the club as long as both parties are professional about it. Plenty of clubs have done it in the past, plenty of clubs will keep doing it.
You're trying to play down the relevance of what have been crucial elements in the art of goalkeeping since football began and yet you somehow think I have an agenda, okayyyy.
BTW, as I have went out of my way to point out, this is not based on the last few months I have been saying it for years.
Im sorry, but, in my opinion you cannot possibly be considered the best in the world at something if you're really poor at important elements of it, no matter how good you are at other parts of it, in this case, shot-stopping (which tbh he is vastly overrated at it too anyway but let's not get into that as well or I'll be here all night).
BTW, on the 'not having decent defenders around him' debate, I agree to an extent but how do does that argument stack up when he's playing for Spain with Pique and Ramos in front of him and is still woeful.
I'm not saying it's nonsense that you've been saying it for years, I'm saying what you've been saying for years is nonsense. David de Gea has blatantly not been a mediocre goalkeeper for years, whether he has or hasn't been one this season.
Fair enough, I could have worded that better, I I meant being vocal and helping to organise the defence.
There have been very few great defences down the years that haven't been built on a vocal goalkeeper. Why wouldnt you want your keeper to be, or at least attempting to, organising the defence, surely nobody has a better view or insight of a defence than the guy who is literally right behind them.
Surely it's better for a keeper to be proactive rather than reactive.
Yet, De Gea doesn't do this, and this is, in my opinion, another reason why I think he's vastly overrated and therfore wouldn't be that bothered if we let him go.
I have to admit I’ve always been a De Gea sceptic. Always thought VDS was better. De Gea has many weaknesses and when his reactions go he’ll decline fast, it may be starting to happen. It’s has to Lloris at a similar age.
I also feel he’s part of the reason we concede so many chances with his stay on the line style.
I also feel he’s part of the reason we concede so many chances with his stay on the line style.
I am sure you are trolling. Every single player has a run of bad form, if you completely forget the 5 years he was immense and just focus on these last 2 months then good luck finding someone who never has a run of bad form. Calling him a mediocre keeper
If you actually studied his career here then I guarantee you would find that he has had a lot more errors than what is generally perceived.
The fact that literally every time he makes one, people come out with the same old excuses, doesn't help matters.
It's only the last few weeks because he's been soooo bad and made so many obvious errors that even the village idiot could spot, that people are even having a bit of a debate about his ability recently.
Up until that, the general view was that he was the undisputed best keeper in the world no matter how many mistakes he made.
Even then, the excuses have come, some as baffling as 'the goalkeeping coach being his friend is not helping".
The most baffling one though is the contract talk, I have asked this many times but, what the hell, why not again?
If he couldn't put the contract talks to one side and focus on the crucial job of getting us into the top 4, then is that not a cause for concern, rather than an excuse?
In fact, I'm struggling to think of another case in football where a player's terrible performances have basically been excused by the fans because he's not getting paid enough.
As I said, it's baffling to me.
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When ? During set pieces ? open play ?
Both obviously.
I hope he agrees a new contract, he's world class - brainfart end to the season notwithstanding.
That said, if we can't agree a new contract, then sell him now.... And the same goes for all our players, we've afforded players far too much power by letting them run down contracts. Agree an extension (assuming ones deserved) once they've 2 years left, or sell them.
Player wants to wait because they're not sure about our ambition, OK, demonstrated our ambition by being prepared to sell anyone who isn't committed enough to sign a contract.
I'm sick of the drama around trying to get average players to renew contracts, or throwing megabucks at average players to get them to renew.
That said, if we can't agree a new contract, then sell him now.... And the same goes for all our players, we've afforded players far too much power by letting them run down contracts. Agree an extension (assuming ones deserved) once they've 2 years left, or sell them.
Player wants to wait because they're not sure about our ambition, OK, demonstrated our ambition by being prepared to sell anyone who isn't committed enough to sign a contract.
I'm sick of the drama around trying to get average players to renew contracts, or throwing megabucks at average players to get them to renew.
Well, he already organizes the defence during set pieces.
In terms of open play, again, it's not quantifiable. Normally every team has a CB that organizes the defence, while the goalkeeper will try to make the defence aware if he sees an opposition player unmarked moving into the box, which De Gea usually does. Weird stick to beat a goalkeeper with. It was popular when i played football at youth level, where the general pace is so slow that the goalkeeper could make teammates aware of where they should move, but it's hardly something that happens at the highest level where things happen so fast that there's no chance the goalkeeper can organize much during open play.
It feels like you've seen too many clips of Schmeichel giving everyone a bollocking.
Wait, why on Earth would Juve want De Gea now? They just got Szczesny who's had another great season in Serie A, they also signed Mattia Perin, a young Italian goalkeeper with a lot of potential who is happy to be their number two. Paris is the only realistic option for DDG and I feel they could easily wait to get him for free like Herrera. It's gonna be a real struggle to offload Dave this summer, who would have thought...
Even 40-50m is a significant figure, particularly when we try to recruit a top replacement. I wouldn't mind swapping him with Oblak even if we have to put in extra cash.
It amazes me how quickly some forget the difference between having a world class keeper and not having one. The amount of people saying sell him when those same people were calling for the boards head for not paying Herrera obscene wages. He finished the season poorly but he still had Dave like performances particularly against Tottenham fairly recently.
Tim Howard is a good example. Solid Premier League keeper, but he clearly wasn’t good enough for us to be a full time starter. I don’t get why a career journeyman like Romero whose never held a starting job above a mid table club is supposedly better than De Gea now.
Tim Howard is a good example. Solid Premier League keeper, but he clearly wasn’t good enough for us to be a full time starter. I don’t get why a career journeyman like Romero whose never held a starting job above a mid table club is supposedly better than De Gea now.
To be fair there is plenty good reason to worry about his form. He’s not likely to be any more settled next season, as if he’s not sold or resigned this summer then his mind will already be on his next club for the entirety of next season. De Gea when not focused actively costs us points, as we’ve seen this season. It’s too much of a risk to go into next season with his future not sorted out.
While I generally think we should keep hold of our best players if they are willing to stay, I don't believe De Gea is worth the contract demands. The current offer would make him the best paid goalkeeper in the world, and that he is not. He's an excellent shot stopper of close range reflex saves, the rest of his game is average to poor, and that isn't enough in the modern game.
If we build a decent defence our GK won't have to do so much in the first place, that should be our priority. Not paying a GK who looks to be on the wane a silly contract. We'd effectively be stuck with a £350k a week Joe Hart for 5 years when we could have sold to PSG for £50m this summer.
Throw some names otherwise it's too easy to make a statement like that.
Very severe. A new goalkeeper will be expensive to buy and cost the same wages. If Allison is worth 70 million then de gea must be worth 100.
Ajax's will release their's for €40m apparently, which is nothing. We don't need a top 3 GK in the world anyway, just get someone who's a good all rounder, doesn't make mistakes and is confident on the ball. Worry about sorting the defence out instead.
De Gea isn't better than Allison...
The situation looks very simple to me. He's heading to his last year contract and its pretty evident that contract talks are affecting him. United should offer him the best contract they can. If that contract is refused then he should be sold. The last thing this club needs to see their best player walk away on a free. It would hurt our brand big time, it would make us a laughing stock among players who might consider joining us and it would make us look desperate. Id rather see us forcing him out on our terms with the club making damage control then handle it to him.
Yeah and that really backfired on him when he did that, oh wait.......
Im genuinely baffled as to why people are using that as an excuse for poor performances, it's not.
You'd swear he was the only footballer to ever be negotiating a new contract.
In fact, it's normally the opposite scenario in terms of performances, where the player ups their game and then they get accused of only turning it on because of said contract negotiations.
To be honest, I would have preferred that because if he had of done that then at least we'd be in the champions league next season.
Im genuinely struggling to think of another example where a footballer's terrible performances have basically been excused because he's not getting paid enough.
Is it any wonder that we find ourselves in mid-table mediocrity right now?
Clearly our best player since Sir Alex retired, I wouldn't mind if he was able to discipline himself and not allow the off-field issues to affect his performances but that's not been the case.
He has contributed to us losing top four massively due to some of his abysmal displays. You also have to think how the league has changed, teams put massive pressure on us from the front in recent years because they have acknowledged our weaknesses in distribution from defence and again this is unfortunately an area De Gea lacks. I wouldn't want to lose De Gea in any period as on form he's clearly one of the best and has been consistent for us but if there's any time to sell now is the most ideal.
He has contributed to us losing top four massively due to some of his abysmal displays. You also have to think how the league has changed, teams put massive pressure on us from the front in recent years because they have acknowledged our weaknesses in distribution from defence and again this is unfortunately an area De Gea lacks. I wouldn't want to lose De Gea in any period as on form he's clearly one of the best and has been consistent for us but if there's any time to sell now is the most ideal.
Excused? That criticism is possibly the worst one any person can throw to a player. At best it means he's a weak character which makes him unsuitable at top level. At worst he's an A Class Ahole whose playing shit to drive his price down and forcing our hand.
Having said that, no one knows exactly why DDG is playing badly. However I find it quite convenient how he suddenly became shit at his last year of contract. Honestly he might have been playing as prime Buffon/Schmeichel for all I know. If he refuses to sign a new contract then he should be out.
surely it would make more sense to be playing at his best in the last year of a contract, to either force us to accept his demands, or put himself favourably in the shop window for others? playing shit makes no sense whatsoever.
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