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Jericholyte2 said:
I’m a plonker because I want to give the players who’s save our asses on countless occasions? OK, carry on with your narrow-minded views. The whole issue is based on the fact that the man has been the one beacon of true quality in our team and, despite morons like yourself who believe that he’s been a complete liability for the past two years, has still been pulling off world class saves and saving us points even during the poor spells this season.

It’s “plonkers” like you who fans see telling them they’re fecking shit after a few poor performances that make them think it’s not worth staying around for!
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He was, but certainly hasn't been this season by any stretch of the imagination has he?

We're just coming off the back of our worst defensive performance in a season since the early 70s in terms of goals conceded and clean sheets. His form personally has done a complete 180 in that he was top of the clean sheets chart last year and rock bottom of it this year.

Lest we forget as well the vast majority of our fan base voted Shaw as our POTY and many had Lindelof as runner up. The main reason for our woeful defensive displays this year is on whom? De Gea.

He had every right to wait on his deal if he wanted, but in the mean time his form needed to continue and justify his wage increase demands. We've lost CL football now, players are taking a 25% pay cut apparently and instead we want to reward him with a new bumper deal?

He'll still be a good keeper, not saying he's terrible by any stretch but rewarding a poor season isn't the way to go. He's being offered 300k from all reports which is very generous but he's still not committing so with only 1 year left I think we are better off saying to him commit or move on cause we want something back on you.
 
Keefy18 said:
He was, but certainly hasn't been this season by any stretch of the imagination has he?

We're just coming off the back of our worst defensive performance in a season since the early 70s in terms of goals conceded and clean sheets. His form personally has done a complete 180 in that he was top of the clean sheets chart last year and rock bottom of it this year.

Lest we forget as well the vast majority of our fan base voted Shaw as our POTY and many had Lindelof as runner up. The main reason for our woeful defensive displays this year is on whom? De Gea.

He had every right to wait on his deal if he wanted, but in the mean time his form needed to continue and justify his wage increase demands. We've lost CL football now, players are taking a 25% pay cut apparently and instead we want to reward him with a new bumper deal?

He'll still be a good keeper, not saying he's terrible by any stretch but rewarding a poor season isn't the way to go. He's being offered 300k from all reports which is very generous but he's still not committing so with only 1 year left I think we are better off saying to him commit or move on cause we want something back on you.
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If you watched our games this season you would know it's not true. We conceded goals for fun not because of poor goalkeeping (except of course a few games in the last month or so where he made mistakes costing goals) but rather of our basic inability to defend (having players like Young and no good DM doesn't help). If there is someone in this team who deserves respect and patience during his poor form, it's De Gea. If not for him we would be at least 15pts worse every single season since Moyes.
 
dove said:
If you watched our games this season you would know it's not true. We conceded goals for fun not because of poor goalkeeping (except of course a few games in the last month or so where he made mistakes costing goals) but rather of our basic inability to defend (having players like Young and no good DM doesn't help). If there is someone in this team who deserves respect and patience during his poor form, it's De Gea. If not for him we would be at least 15pts worse every single season since Moyes.
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He was one of the worst performing keepers in the league, feel free to look into the performance data.

I could count his stand out games in the league on one hand the last season. I'd have Lindelof winning more MOTM's than him and probably Shaw as well tbh and I don't rate the latter that highly at all personally. I think he's distinctly average.

He was rewarded for those performances with the new deal he got with LVG here, his form in 2017-18 was very good, brilliant in fact. This season though, not so much and he isn't deserving of it.

With a single year left on his deal we have to start really putting pressure on him to commit or sod off basically.
 
100% sell him as he's clearly doing a Herrera on us.

If he doesn't sign then we need to make it clear that he will be benched next season and i don't think he will want to miss out on Euro next summer
 
The stories about DDG wanting some sort of parity with Sanchez are getting a bit grating now tbh.

We made an error with Sanchez, so why would we want to compound it, and whilst it was an obscene amount, Sanchez was basically free, and at the time thought of as been in the top 3 three attackers in the premiership, no way DDG should be anyway near a contract like that now.
 
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100% sell him as he's clearly doing a Herrera on us.

If he doesn't sign then we need to make it clear that he will be benched next season and i don't think he will want to miss out on Euro next summer
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I think most Spaniards would love this to happen.
 
De Gea has worryingly declined as a football player, whilst at the same time asking for a contract not befitting his recent performance levels.

Let's be honest, he probably would have moved to Madrid years ago if he had his wishes granted.

Thanks for everything, but it is now time to part ways.

Best of the luck in the future.
 
Sell if we get a good offer, which I doubt. He should be thankful that we have tabled a mega offer, considering his form.
 
Steven-UK said:
De Gea has worryingly declined as a football player, whilst at the same time asking for a contract not befitting his recent performance levels.

Let's be honest, he probably would have moved to Madrid years ago if he had his wishes granted.

Thanks for everything, but it is now time to part ways.

Best of the luck in the future.
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I think a lot of the form is down to contract issues / what other players are earning / reported rifts in the squad (ie. signing up Jones / Smalling and Young ffs over others). If he got a new contract and we sorted some of this mess out his form would pick up.

But I'm very much in the "here's 200k p/w, sign up or go" camp as I'd be happy with Romero for this season and see how Henderson does in the PL next season
 
He is quite right to ask for more money, he has been out player of the year for so many years. If we are rewarding graft and performance,we have to give him what he wants. I dread to think where we would be without him. It has to be a meritocracy. Or else players might as well not turn up. I'd make him captain. I don't care what the Spaniards think of him, I've seen too many unbelievable games where opposition fans have been furious. He has been a bright spark in a dark place. That is what a captain is.
 
The narrative has been almost entirely about wanting parity with our flop signing Sanchez. Only recently has it included assurances over the club's ambitions. I think that's quite a plausible hindrance. Why would he want to stay, at this stage of his career, if he doesn't see real ambition?

Think that will be the case with higher profile signings too (like de Ligt, Koulibaly, Felix, Sancho). They'll all need concrete assurances about our ambition, not just the digits on the paycheck.
 
Snuffkin said:
He is quite right to ask for more money, he has been out player of the year for so many years. If we are rewarding graft and performance,we have to give him what he wants. I dread to think where we would be without him. It has to be a meritocracy. Or else players might as well not turn up. I'd make him captain. I don't care what the Spaniards think of him, I've seen too many unbelievable games where opposition fans have been furious. He has been a bright spark in a dark place. That is what a captain is.
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He's one of the least commanding or vocal keepers imaginable, as great as he can be on his day, he's no leader and should be nowhere near the armband.
 
redzombie said:
He's one of the least commanding or vocal keepers imaginable, as great as he can be on his day, he's no leader and should be nowhere near the armband.
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You can lead by example. He is the only player we own who has put in a decent full season in the last few years. Reward performance, promote quality.
 
I think it's time he left as you can see hes heart is not in it but for once I actually feel like we do not need to sign a replacement as Argentina's number one keep Romero is ready to step up
 
I think that De Gea has been our most important player of recent times yet is still probably the easiest to replace.

If we get a decent fee for him and then use that fee to go and get Oblak I don't see the team suffering much. However, if we think we can put in Romero or a try and get a cut price alternative it'll be a total disaster losing De Gea.
 
I’m now at the point where if he doesn’t sign a new contract by the time the transfer window is officially open then we sell him for as much as we can get (£50-£60 million ?) then we have Romero and Henderson already in place so we can use the funds from the De Gea sale to fix the countless problem positions we have elsewhere.

A better/stronger defence means much less emphasis on the keeper so bringing in at least one quality centre back (Alderweireld, Maguire, De Ligt, Koulibaly) and Wan-Bissaka makes the back four a lot stronger defensively and I’d say Romero is in the top 10 keepers in the league and Henderson has just had his first England call up and is raves about so De Gea isn’t as untouchable as he was a couple of years ago.
 
davidmichael said:
I’m now at the point where if he doesn’t sign a new contract by the time the transfer window is officially open then we sell him for as much as we can get (£50-£60 million ?) then we have Romero and Henderson already in place so we can use the funds from the De Gea sale to fix the countless problem positions we have elsewhere.

A better/stronger defence means much less emphasis on the keeper so bringing in at least one quality centre back (Alderweireld, Maguire, De Ligt, Koulibaly) and Wan-Bissaka makes the back four a lot stronger defensively and I’d say Romero is in the top 10 keepers in the league and Henderson has just had his first England call up and is raves about so De Gea isn’t as untouchable as he was a couple of years ago.
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The transfer window is open.
 
Call me crazy but I'd be happy for us to let his contract run out. We have enough issues this window and needing to sign a keeper is extra hassle that we could do without. DDG knows he had an awful season so it will be in his best interest to perform as well as he can or else the offers he wants next year won't be coming his way.

It could also give us a year to have a better look at the likes of Henderson or Onana at Ajax. The last thing we want to do is panic buy and get the wrong goalie or not sign one at all only for Romero and Grant to not be anywhere good enough consistently.
 
El Jefe said:
Call me crazy but I'd be happy for us to let his contract run out. We have enough issues this window and needing to sign a keeper is extra hassle that we could do without. DDG knows he had an awful season so it will be in his best interest to perform as well as he can or else the offers he wants next year won't be coming his way.

It could also give us a year to have a better look at the likes of Henderson or Onana at Ajax. The last thing we want to do is panic buy and get the wrong goalie or not sign one at all only for Romero and Grant to not be anywhere good enough consistently.
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Meh. With the shit he served up this season, I can't imagine how next season would be. Rather sell him while we still can and stick Romero in goal if we can't sign a new GK.
 
Snuffkin said:
He is quite right to ask for more money, he has been out player of the year for so many years. If we are rewarding graft and performance,we have to give him what he wants. I dread to think where we would be without him. It has to be a meritocracy. Or else players might as well not turn up. I'd make him captain. I don't care what the Spaniards think of him, I've seen too many unbelievable games where opposition fans have been furious. He has been a bright spark in a dark place. That is what a captain is.
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Im guessing you didn't watch the match against Everton a few weeks ago then.
 
dove said:
If you watched our games this season you would know it's not true. We conceded goals for fun not because of poor goalkeeping (except of course a few games in the last month or so where he made mistakes costing goals) but rather of our basic inability to defend (having players like Young and no good DM doesn't help). If there is someone in this team who deserves respect and patience during his poor form, it's De Gea. If not for him we would be at least 15pts worse every single season since Moyes.
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Agree, but, as I have been painfully trying to point out for years now, when our mediocre defenders make errors they get verbally crucified for it, yet when our mediocre keeper makes an error, all he gets is excuses made for him, followed by a reminder that he's made some decent saves over the years (imagine a goalkeeper saving a shot).
Im sure I could put together a video of a few decent tackles that Phil Jones has made over the years, does that mean he's the best defender in the world?

My point being, it's the overall picture that matters and the odd half decent save, that meant we finished 6th instead of 7th or 8th, hardly means De Gea deserves the untouchable status he mostly gets.

In my opinion, it would be a massive error to give him a new contract when it's pretty obvious he's far from the best keeper in the world anymore, to the point where he has pretty much become a liability.

Then again, they way our club is run now, throwing silly money at him is probably precisely what we'll do.
 
UncleBob said:
Since you state "since football began" I assume you're referring to my comment about commanding the defenders, since goalkeepers acting like sweepers is a more modern thing.

I disagree, it's not all that relevant at the highest level of football, goalkeepers will generally command defenders on set pieces and they are expected to dominate their area inside the box, but apart from that things happen far too quickly when the ball is in play for the goalkeeper to organize anything. Biggest issues were in De Gea's early days at United when our cb's expected him to come and collect the ball but he didn't, so they had to clear it wide instead. These days clubs generally have a clear first choice cb that's also the leader at the back, he also sets the line and when to fall off.

The pressing concern is obvious, a cb that isn't a complete idiot and/or injury plagued, the fact that Smalling seems to be our natural leader at the back should be more than good enough as a warning sign.
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If you're seriously going to argue that coming out for crosses, coming out of your line and being vocal and helping out your defence aren't 'relevant' factors in becoming a top class goalkeeper, then it's pointless me continuing this conversation.
 
We should one of these three - Onana, Mike Maignan and Walter Benitez. Walter seems to be the highest rated of the three.
 
Kerry Donaghy said:
Agree, but, as I have been painfully trying to point out for years now, when our mediocre defenders make errors they get verbally crucified for it, yet when our mediocre keeper makes an error, all he gets is excuses made for him, followed by a reminder that he's made some decent saves over the years (imagine a goalkeeper saving a shot).
Im sure I could put together a video of a few decent tackles that Phil Jones has made over the years, does that mean he's the best defender in the world?

My point being, it's the overall picture that matters and the odd half decent save, that meant we finished 6th instead of 7th or 8th, hardly means De Gea deserves the untouchable status he mostly gets.

In my opinion, it would be a massive error to give him a new contract when it's pretty obvious he's far from the best keeper in the world anymore, to the point where he has pretty much become a liability.

Then again, they way our club is run now, throwing silly money at him is probably precisely what we'll do.
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Now I am fully convinced you don't watch our games at all or started watching a few months ago.

when our mediocre keeper makes an error, all he gets is excuses made for him, followed by a reminder that he's made some decent saves over the years (imagine a goalkeeper saving a shot).
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Don't even know how to respond to that. You can count his mistakes on one hand during the past 5 years, he was literally carrying us during that time. And no, the saves he made were not "decent". He does not deserve untouchable status, nobody does but the moment he lost his form and half of our fanbase turned on him it's ridiculous. As I said before, people got very spoiled by having him to the point that some of you got so much blinded that you think we can replace him with literally anyone.
 
Snuffkin said:
He is quite right to ask for more money, he has been out player of the year for so many years. If we are rewarding graft and performance,we have to give him what he wants. I dread to think where we would be without him. It has to be a meritocracy. Or else players might as well not turn up. I'd make him captain. I don't care what the Spaniards think of him, I've seen too many unbelievable games where opposition fans have been furious. He has been a bright spark in a dark place. That is what a captain is.
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No we don't.

He has zero presence also. Hardly captain material. You're either new to football or don't quite understand the implications of bowing down to massive contract demands from players who have had poor seasons.
 
dove said:
Now I am fully convinced you don't watch our games at all or started watching a few months ago.



Don't even know how to respond to that. You can count his mistakes on one hand during the past 5 years, he was literally carrying us during that time. And no, the saves he made were not "decent". He does not deserve untouchable status, nobody does but the moment he lost his form and half of our fanbase turned on him it's ridiculous. As I said before, people got very spoiled by having him to the point that some of you got so much blinded that you think we can replace him with literally anyone.
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R u messing?
He's made way more than five absolute howlers in the last few weeks alone.
Plus, that's only the ones that have led to goals, there's been countless more that he got away with.
On top of that, there are many many more errors that get overlooked because the trend is to have a go at our, admittedly poor, defenders rather than the keeper.

This, being the prime example.

http://www.soccer-blogger.com/2019/...-vs-wolves-2019-bizarre-smalling-handball-og/

Ive asked this question to literally dozens of De Gea's defenders now and not one person has been able to explain what on earth he was doing if he was trying to prevent a goal here, what was the plan?
 
crossy1686 said:
players who have had poor seasons.
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There is a myth that he had a bad season. He won 4 mom awards, and was our 4th best player this season ( redcafe stats). Yes he wasn't his usual self the last few weeks of the season, but we were out of our depth in Europe and struggling at the back. He was miraculous in our away win at spurs in January. Please don't let the Scouse bring this thread up next year when we are de gea-less and looking for a replacement.
 
Kerry Donaghy said:
R u messing?
He's made way more than five absolute howlers in the last few weeks alone.
Plus, that's only the ones that have led to goals, there's been countless more that he got away with.
On top of that, there are many many more errors that get overlooked because the trend is to have a go at our, admittedly poor, defenders rather than the keeper.

This, being the prime example.

http://www.soccer-blogger.com/2019/...-vs-wolves-2019-bizarre-smalling-handball-og/

Ive asked this question to literally dozens of De Gea's defenders now and not one person has been able to explain what on earth he was doing if he was trying to prevent a goal here, what was the plan?
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I am sure you are trolling. Every single player has a run of bad form, if you completely forget the 5 years he was immense and just focus on these last 2 months then good luck finding someone who never has a run of bad form. Calling him a mediocre keeper :lol:
 
Anyone who wants to get rid of him after a bad couple of months is nothing short of insane and would see this club plummet into the Championship if they were in charge.
 
Dansk said:
Anyone who wants to get rid of him after a bad couple of months is nothing short of insane and would see this club plummet into the Championship if they were in charge.
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If he's not going to sign a new contract what do you want to do, let him go on a free next summer?
 
Kerry Donaghy said:
If you're seriously going to argue that coming out for crosses, coming out of your line and being vocal and helping out your defence aren't 'relevant' factors in becoming a top class goalkeeper, then it's pointless me continuing this conversation.
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goalkeepers will generally command defenders on set pieces and they are expected to dominate their area inside the box
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Not entirely sure how you've interpreted it as if I'm arguing that goalkeepers shouldn't come out for crosses and be vocal, but it's hardly a surprise that you're going for straw mans arguments.

In terms of "helping out" it's hardly quantifiable, it can be coming off your line, being vocal, making a save after a defender has done something daft, it's nondescriptive, mentioning it as a seperate point just further underlines your agenda.

In general, I tend to find it a bit amusing how people pop up once a player is starting to perform badly, and go on about how they've been thinking x,y,z for years. Hey, if you've been thinking something for years but kept your mouth shut about it, then it's probably not the most intelligent argument in the first place. I don't mind a general debate about weaknesses and strengths, and nobody is going to argue that De Gea is the perfect allround goalkeeper that excels in most areas, but his weaknesses can easily be compensated for by having solid cb's. Suddenly redefining what is important is counter productive, the narrative that he's a mediocre goalkeeper that can easily be replaced is bizarre. In the period that he's been here, his strengths have overall made his weaknesses insignificant. Every once in a while there will be feckups, but unless it suddenly becomes the norm it's hardly a concern. Given his overall performances for us, i'm hardly concerned by his form in the run in, no matter the consequences it had on our final league position ( where he certainly wasn't the only culprit )
 
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