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De Gea Contract Situation
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It's unexpected, not unattended!
At least we would get decent money for him
It's this stupid contract policy the Glazers put in place which has caused all these problems, totally ridiculous. If we had Ronaldo at the club still would we have let him enter the last year of his contract before renegotiating? Of course we wouldn't!
Not sure what you mean. Could you post a link to this policy?
There is no 'policy'. A few years ago some paper said there was a new contract policy going to be put in place where we wouldn't start negotiations with any player until they enter their final year of their contract. Since then plenty of players have signed new contracts and stuff before entering their final year.
You can prove anything with facts, this is clearly them Glazers fault.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/sep/21/manchester-united-new-contract-policy
Here it is. Not long after that, we gave Hernandez a new contract - just one year after joining.
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-F...r-hernandez-signs-new-five-year-contract.aspx
Here it is. Not long after that, we gave Hernandez a new contract - just one year after joining.
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-F...r-hernandez-signs-new-five-year-contract.aspx
http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/engla...ited-to-change-negotiation-conditions-for-new
The article is five years old but you only have to look at the last few players who have signed new contracts to know that this is how the club go about renegotiating new deals for current players. Rooney, Adnan, Smalling and Pereira were all in the last year of their contracts before signing new deals. The same process looks like it'll happen for Jones and Young. They've even done it with young players like Pogba, Morrison and Fryers who ultimately have ended up leaving the club for next to nothing.
See above.
Already have, that's one player and that was four or five years ago. Like I said the players I've listed above all went into the final year of their contract. Tell me when the last time a player was given a new contract without being in the final year of their current deal?
Same happened to Smalling too
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-F...Jul/smalling-signs-new-contract.aspx?pageNo=1
You do know that Smalling's last contract was due to expire in over a year just before he signed his extension? He wasn't in the final year (as in 12 months) of his contract. He had like 14 months and you can be sure that we started negotiations earlier. Our policy has usually been to start negotiations with two years left which we have done with Smalling, de Gea and others.
Pogba was a mistake while Morrison was let go of. We offered a deal to Fryers but he was not good enough anyway. Btw I don't think we can offer a pro deal to any youngster before they turn 18 which meant that we could not do anything with the Pogba situation till the last year of his contract. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
Was Smalling's deal due to expire this Summer? I thought it was next Summer.
It was. June 2016.
Thought so. It's also been quite well documented that we've been negotiating with De Gea pretty much all season.
Rooney - signed new contract in Feb 2014, his contract was due to expire in June 2015 - 16 months to go (over a year)
Januzaj - signed new contract in Oct 2013, his contract was due to expire in June 2014 - 8 months to go (fair enough on this, though Januzaj's age and Fergie retiring complicated things a bit... @khoazany or @Mr. MUJAC might be able to explain about the age thing)
Smalling - signed new contract in Apr 2015, his contract was due to expire in June 2016 - 14 months to go (over a year)
Pereira - signed new contract with one month left of his contract, fair enough on this
de Gea's contract expires in June 2016 and we've been in negotiations pretty much all season like Carl says.
So you're half right.
Why do people have any interest in following contract negotiations? Surely the only thing people care about is whether he signs or not, and the minutiae of the contract and negotiations themselves are too boring to even think about? Just under half a million views on something that hasn't changed since the thread was started just seems bizarre to me.
Also worth adding there's not been many players over the last 2 years that have deserved to have their contract re-negotiated.
Seems perfectly reasonable to me. He's our best player and as such I can imagine people are interested in hearing whether he's staying or going or what the latest updates are.
It's simply for me, if the player wants to stay, he signs if he doesn't, he goes. Yep I'm not naive that's a simplistic approach but that's it ultimately. The problem when you have primarily the best Spanish player in any position on the pitch, Barca and Real will come calling. More times than not, they get their man.
I can't see how he's going to stay cause the timing is great for Real and poor for us. They have a keeper who's a Spanish international on the slide and we have his successor on the up. Both contracts are winding down and Real need to make another big statement in the Summer. Capturing the new Spanish No1, you can read the headlines.
That aside, just like CR7 (I know he's not Spanish), it will be the same saga every year if he stays.
I can't see how he's going to stay cause the timing is great for Real and poor for us. They have a keeper who's a Spanish international on the slide and we have his successor on the up. Both contracts are winding down and Real need to make another big statement in the Summer. Capturing the new Spanish No1, you can read the headlines.
That aside, just like CR7 (I know he's not Spanish), it will be the same saga every year if he stays.
I don't want him to sign a contract just so he can stay an extra year here. If he doesn't want to be here, then he should go.
Agree but if one of our best andmost important players leaves to Real Madrid or Barcelona I want to see us being fairly compensated.
If you see how much Real has paid for the likes of Bale and Barcelona for Neymar than I surely want to see £50m+ on the table for De Gea.
If we have to sell DDG with only 1 year left on his contract and we have no feasible alternative as foot behind the door than we will be lowballed by Real Madrid. We'll likely not get much more than £20m-£25m top. And buying a good replacement (like Lloris) might actually cost us more than we would get from De Gea.
I'd literally feel sick to my stomach if Real would manage to get one of our top players for such a cheap amount ! If we'd get like £50m for him, I'd be a bit disappointed but I'd understand the situation and I'd be able to deal with it a lot easier. But for £25m I'd be furious !
Yep sounds like it.
25m for a keeper is pretty high. Possibly only Buffon has gone for more?
50m is pure dreamworld.
If De Gea wants to go, working it into a deal for Bale (if he really wants to leave) would be our best bet.
And see if we can get Cech
I cant imagine us signing him up for any less than 3years. Two years would just be admitting he is off
If De Gea decides that he wants a move then Real Madrid will always have the edge in negotiations as they'd be the only possible destination for him.
That is incredibly annoying after every 30 seconds you have to call assistance.When young players sign their first professional contract at 17 years old you never know how they will turn out.
So signing a five year deal doesn't make sense unless they are really exceptional.
Often they sign a 2+2 deal. That is two years as a scholar and then two years as a pro. That means that when they turn 18 they only have one year left in their contract. It's at this point that the club decides what new del to offer them.
Obviously the players agents want to prolong the process as it gives the player more options and more power.
The club can try all they want to get deals done early but they are only half of the process.
Loads of paper talk with the usual speculation by the reptiles. Nothing from the player or his agent but the odd titbit from Van Gaal that really doesn't tell us anything we don't already know. If nothing happens between now and season's end, we'll be bombarded by quotes from "sources close to the player" or United, or Real, and Uncle Tom Cobbly and all, each saying something different. Gets a bit tedious after a while.
Invisible ink, gets them everytime.
Oh, that's not a '1' at the start of the figure there, that's an 'l' .... whoopsies!
It's almost the end of the season, and his contract runs out next season. I think it's fair to say he's more likely to be off to Madrid.
£25m for De Gea is dirt cheap !
We paid £18m for him when he was at Atlético Madrid. That was 4 years ago and now he has turned into a much better and more complete goalkeeper and can be considered one of the 3 best goalkeepers in the entire world.
If we'd sell him for that amount we'd only have made like £6m profit on a player that is by many considered as our most valuable player. That would just be ridiculous.
I guarantee you if we end up signing Lloris from Tottenham we'll likely pay more than what we'll get from DDG.
Also your reference to Buffon, that is ages ago ! Times are totally different and higher figures are paid for the best players. Imo De Gea is one of the very best and if he'd transfer a figure like £50m would be the least I'd expect. There just aren't many big deals when it concerns goalkeepers so can't compare. And likely De Gea won't be a big deal either because we'll be lowballed by Real Madrid because his contract is about to expire next year. That is what frustrates me !
One way to look at it:
Buffon cost £33m in 2001. That year, Real Madrid broke the transfer record when they bought Zidane for £46.6m (a record which stood until 2009), so Buffon's fee was 70% of the record at the time.
Current transfer record is £85m, so 70% of that is £59.5m. £50m for DDG is a perfectly reasonable demand, £60m isn't actually even that outrageous.
Supply and demand is the only way to determine these prices. Dave is under contract. If Real Madrid want him this summer, they have to offer a price that we deem acceptable given the circumstances and context.
If he signs a new deal, and if Real get a transfer ban the following summer, then there is absolutely zero pressure on us to sell. At that point, £50m seems a fair price to me. He is a young keeper who still has over a decade left at the top of his game - £5m per season (assuming he stays there) is dirt cheap if anything.
If he signs a new deal, and if Real get a transfer ban the following summer, then there is absolutely zero pressure on us to sell. At that point, £50m seems a fair price to me. He is a young keeper who still has over a decade left at the top of his game - £5m per season (assuming he stays there) is dirt cheap if anything.
Yes it is when he has only a year remaining on his contract.
If DDG must go, and it isn't really a question of if but when, United really should get someone coming over from Real to us. Bale or not, Real have several players that would walk into the squad. Varane, Modric, Kroos, Bale...one of these should be on their way here for DDG.
I don't think that's as big a factor as it's made out. It'd lower the price, sure, but not by 50%. Maybe £40m. But his actual value is somewhere around £50-60m imo, and there are other factors in the negotiation (like Real's upcoming transfer ban) which could swing it in our favour as well.
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