De Gea Contract Situation

[Walrus]

Cue Madrid propaganda machine if/when they sign him : "Madrid have recouped 500x of the transfer fee and wages in shirt sales, even before the ink on the contract dried up."

I never buy that line of reasoning anyway. A fan will typically only buy one shirt per season (max). If they dont sign De Gea, most of those fans will simply buy a shirt with another players name on it.
Similar with Ronaldo - loads of fans bought that shirt yes, but how many of them would otherwise not have bought a shirt at all? Those are the only real "money recouped" measurement.

 

[Revan]

Cue Madrid propaganda machine if/when they sign him : "Madrid have recouped 500x of the transfer fee and wages in shirt sales, even before the ink on the contract dried up."

Yeah, I dunno what we don't do the same:

EPL sells 6m shirts for year. Di Maria have sold 10% of them, so 600k shirts. With a price of 80pounds per shirt, we have recouped around 50m pounds from his shirts.

Perez's logic.

 

[Revan]

I never buy that line of reasoning anyway. A fan will typically only buy one shirt per season (max). If they dont sign De Gea, most of those fans will simply buy a shirt with another players name on it.
Similar with Ronaldo - loads of fans bought that shirt yes, but how many of them would otherwise not have bought a shirt at all? Those are the only real "money recouped" measurement.

Cause it is fecking bullshit. And as you said, fans buy only a shirt for year. If you look at top dogs (United and Madrid), sell around 1.4m-1.5m shirts for each year, on the last few years. I mean those 50m that we have got from Di Maria's shirt, in reality don't change anything. If we didn't sign him than the likes of Rooney/RVP and co would have sold more shirts, but United would have sold around the same.

And then, it is discounting the fact that the majority of this money actually goes to Nike/adidas, not United/Madrid.

As always, Real Madrid is just doing PR work.

 

[Rado_N]

I never buy that line of reasoning anyway. A fan will typically only buy one shirt per season (max). If they dont sign De Gea, most of those fans will simply buy a shirt with another players name on it.
Similar with Ronaldo - loads of fans bought that shirt yes, but how many of them would otherwise not have bought a shirt at all? Those are the only real "money recouped" measurement.

Yea, it beggars belief that people still buy this crap (including people on here who still believe it). When Real signed Ronaldo their entire commercial income stream only increased by a couple of percent over the previous year, most of which would have been down to normal expected increases and they also signed Kaka the same summer.

 

[Walrus]

Cause it is fecking bullshit. And as you said, fans buy only a shirt for year. If you look at top dogs (United and Madrid), sell around 1.4m-1.5m shirts for each year, on the last few years. I mean those 50m that we have got from Di Maria's shirt, in reality don't change anything. If we didn't sign him than the likes of Rooney/RVP and co would have sold more shirts, but United would have sold around the same.

And then, it is discounting the fact that the majority of this money actually goes to Nike/adidas, not United/Madrid.

As always, Real Madrid is just doing PR work.

Yea, it beggars belief that people still buy this crap (including people on here who still believe it). When Real signed Ronaldo their entire commercial income stream only increased by a couple of percent over the previous year, most of which would have been down to normal expected increases and they also signed Kaka the same summer.

fair enough, I thought people were still lapping up that drivel!

 

[Pyroblazer]

Ball seems to be in our court again:

-DDG can sign a new contract for us, we made him an offer he can't refuse.

-If DDG does want to leave for Real then it will have to be this summer because Real will have a transferban next season. Which means Real will only want to do business if it is for this summer, waiting won't be an option because than they will be stuck with Casillias for atleast 2 more years and running the risk DDG might sign for Barcelona next year if he does want to move to spain. So we can basically force them to pay through their nose if DDG does want to leave.

Very happy with this changed situation.

Still hope DDG stays on but if he's off than I rather get £70m for him than £20m and if he runs out his contract to get to spain than I rather have him go to Barcelona instead of Real Madrid.

The transfer ban isn't official yet? Also he won't go to Barca, they have their long term keeper in Ter Stegen, who is a great prospect and another good keeper in Bravo. It's also not like Real is stuck with Iker, they could just play Navas, maybe they realize that next season. Still you are right it would improve our situation much, could see him signing a new contract in that situation and we will only sell him for a big fee this summer. If not then I can see him here till 2017, because Barca won't be an option.

 

[devilish]

Your constant rant about how awful our players are and how someone of the ilk of DDG would be disheartened to play with them is mind numbingly boring.

Actually we're getting better. LVG in particular had been busy replacing the has been and the never been with quality. Unfortunately there is still a massive gap between us and Real. Lets hope that DDG can be persuaded to remain with a huge salary and the prospects of playing with much better players in the future.

 

[devilish]

200k a week for a keeper...Jesus. I want him to stay but that's a ridiculous amount of money.

He's been our best player for the last two years and he's keeping us to 4th place.

 

[SirAF]

200k a week for a keeper...Jesus. I want him to stay but that's a ridiculous amount of money.

For one of the two best in a position in the world it is hardly ridiculous. That's the name of the game today.

 

[ZDwyr]

So weird that he's desperate to go to Real Madrid then.

Is it that he is desperate to go to them though? Or more the fact that he wants to be with his girlfriend and stuff? In that case Real are the only option considering Barca have their transfer ban. Of course no one can know for sure that it is for that reason.

 

[sunama]

I'd pay him even more than £200k/week. Double that even.
This guy can gain us extra points. This is proven and not conjecture. The likes of Falcao and RVP, at present cant do this.
Any new signings cannot guarantee us points (there is a risk involved).
We need to reward those who are proven to make impact in our team results and not reward those who do little to help us (wage thieves).

I still cant believe we are paying so much money to Falcao for being a glorified substitute (notice that I didnt use the word SuperSub, because this guy is not super no matter how you look at it).

 

[Bubz27]

I read today that De Gea is one of only two keepers in the Prem not to have dropped a catch this season. Thats marvellous considering it was probably his biggest weakness when he first came.

Clearly he's not coming and collecting everything in the box but he knows his limits and has 100% success rate within those while we haven't looked particularly vulnerable in the air this season. Knowing what you can and can't do, especially as a goalkeeper where a mistake is highlighted x1000, is an excellent skill to have.

 

[Fully Fledged]

I never buy that line of reasoning anyway. A fan will typically only buy one shirt per season (max). If they dont sign De Gea, most of those fans will simply buy a shirt with another players name on it.
Similar with Ronaldo - loads of fans bought that shirt yes, but how many of them would otherwise not have bought a shirt at all? Those are the only real "money recouped" measurement.

Bringing a player in from a different continent can raise interest for the club in that area. We gained some popularity by signing Park and Hernandez in their respective areas but as Spanish team signing a Spanish player (DDG) or even a Portuguese player (CR7) is not going to raise the profile of the club in those countries.

 

[Walrus]

Bringing a player in from a different continent can raise interest for the club in that area. We gained some popularity by signing Park and Hernandez in their respective areas but as Spanish team signing a Spanish player (DDG) or even a Portuguese player (CR7) is not going to raise the profile of the club in those countries.

Good point as well.

 

[Castia]

For one of the two best in a position in the world it is hardly ridiculous. That's the name of the game today.

I'm not sure about that, 200k a week is probably more than Courtouis and Neuer combined.

I can see why we are offering it, he's a top player and it stops us losing him for free or on the cheap but still it's crazy money.

 

[dsch]

I'd pay him even more than £200k/week. Double that even.

That's Messi/Ronaldo territory.

 

[Revan]

I'm not sure about that, 200k a week is probably more than Courtouis and Neuer combined.

I can see why we are offering it, he's a top player and it stops us losing him for free or on the cheap but still it's crazy money.

Courtuis and Neuer aren't near as important for their team as it is De Gea for us. If we had the defense of 2008, then we wouldn't neccesarily need De Gea to stay and we wouldn't offer that much money. But as it is, he is our most important player and has been by far our best player for the last two seasons.

 

[KingMinger22]

That's Messi/Ronaldo territory.

No it's not even a third of what those two get. The earn over £30th NET pw which is in excess of £300k pre-tax.

DDG is easily worth £200k pw in this market. I'm glad the club see the same.

 

[JPRouve]

No it's not even a third of what those two get. The earn over £30th NET pw which is in excess of £300k pre-tax.

DDG is easily worth £200k pw in this market. I'm glad the club see the same.

It doesn't reflect the market at all, Neuer earn 6m per year. This wage equate top goalscorers and top playmakers wages.

 

[KingMinger22]

United we will easily have the highest revenues in world football for 2016/17 for the first time in ten years.

Not only is the new PL domestic TV deal insane, the domestic CL is increasing next year massively too.

Add in the Adidas deal and we are seriously quids in.

Money trumps everything in sport. We are finally paying the best wages on the market it seems and this will result in us getting top players.

 

[Shark]

United we will easily have the highest revenues in world football for 2016/17 for the first time in ten years.

Not only is the new PL domestic TV deal insane, the domestic CL is increasing next year massively too.

Add in the Adidas deal and we are seriously quids in.

Money trumps everything in sport. We are finally paying the best wages on the market it seems and this will result in us getting top players.

That was apparent the summer gone. We signed a superstar in Di Maria for 60m, which you'd never have seen under SAF. Not to mention Mata and Fellaini for a combined 64m. It's fantastic to see.

 

[JPRouve]

United we will easily have the highest revenues in world football for 2016/17 for the first time in ten years.

Not only is the new PL domestic TV deal insane, the domestic CL is increasing next year massively too.

Add in the Adidas deal and we are seriously quids in.

Money trumps everything in sport. We are finally paying the best wages on the market it seems and this will result in us getting top players.

Having money doesn't allow to throw it through the windows. If you pay De Gea 200k/per week, you have no chance of signing a top attacking player for less than 250k-260k per week, that's basically the best way to destroy your 'wage ladder'.

Edit: according to reports Di Maria earn 180k per week.

 

[Revan]

No it's not even a third of what those two get. The earn over £30th NET pw which is in excess of £300k pre-tax.

DDG is easily worth £200k pw in this market. I'm glad the club see the same.

That isn't NET, and more than half of that is from the commercial deals they made (not from the club money).

 

[Redo91]

That's insane if it's accurate. You'll often see people in a Rooney shirt (for example), never a goalkeeper one.

I'm not saying it's wrong or anything, just extremely weird.

I'd never bothered with a goalkeeping jersey before until last season when I got the green one with De Gea on the back. He's my favourite player by a distance.

 

[::sonny::]

I would give him time to decide until 30th june, if he doesn't sign I would put him up for sale.

 

[Livewire1974]

Where is the logic in paying him 200k a week for just one year in a contract thats already running? If he wants to stay he should at least be signing a 1 year contract extension right now and see how we go next season. Then next season he gets the ultimatum to sign or we sell him.

 

[Revan]

Where is the logic in paying him 200k a week for just one year in a contract thats already running? If he wants to stay he should at least be signing a 1 year contract extension right now and see how we go next season. Then next season he gets the ultimatum to sign or we sell him.

Eh? It will be a new contract, so likely 5 years or so.

 

[Livewire1974]

Eh? It will be a new contract, so likely 5 years or so.

Not according to the article post above, apparently we are going to up his salary to 200k a week for next year, the idea being that it somehow puts us in a better position next summer when he decides his long term future.

 

[Empire]

Yeah, I dunno what we don't do the same:

EPL sells 6m shirts for year. Di Maria have sold 10% of them, so 600k shirts. With a price of 80pounds per shirt, we have recouped around 50m pounds from his shirts.

Perez's logic.

I thought regarding shirts it's not the revenue generated by them that matters but the fact so many people wear shirts from that club or that player and so the sponsor gets more exposure in turn increasing revenue generated from sponsors.

The player profit / loss would be a complicated calculation done by the club's finance team. The players expense to the club won't be so difficult to work out but then they would project the (indirect) revenue he brings in.

United might be very strong in the asian market but not as strong in the south american market therefore it is one area where they can improve revenue generated by sponsors (they also use a lot of regional sponsors).

 

[Loony BoB]

Not according to the article post above, apparently we are going to up his salary to 200k a week for next year, the idea being that it somehow puts us in a better position next summer when he decides his long term future.

If we are offering £200k p/w, you can pretty much rest assured it will be for a 4-5 year contract. All but guaranteed.

 

[Redo91]

Not according to the article post above, apparently we are going to up his salary to 200k a week for next year, the idea being that it somehow puts us in a better position next summer when he decides his long term future.

We are obviously extending the duration of his contract! You hardly thought from reading that article that we are just going to give him a huge raise and not extend his contract?

 

[KingMinger22]

That isn't NET, and more than half of that is from the commercial deals they made (not from the club money).

Yes, it is. It was widely reported, e.g...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbad...to-new-50-million-a-year-deal-with-barcelona/

 

[Melvyn]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...td-prepare-100m-Gareth-Bale-transfer-bid.html

Same Ogden article about Bale:

De Gea is continuing to resist United’s attempts to secure him to a new £200,000-a-week long-term contract, with the former Atlético Madrid keeper aware of Real’s willingness to take him to the Bernabéu.

With De Gea understood to be torn between extending his contract at United and returning to his home city, where his pop star girlfriend Edurne Garcia Almagro is based, Real have now begun to consider alternatives, such as Tottenham’s Hugo Lloris and Inter Milan goalkeeper Samir Handanovic.

 

[nick2004]

If we give them De Gea and money and get Bale and Navas (who would want to leave), we'll be fine.

 

[Maroo]

If a just returned from injury Gundogan (aged 24) with a year remaining on his contract is worth 30 million euros, surely one of the best keepers in the world (aged 24) with a year remaining on his contract should be worth much more than 30 million euros (being touted for DDG in the media)

 

[MDFC Manager]

If a just returned from injury Gundogan (aged 24) with a year remaining on his contract is worth 30 million euros, surely one of the best keepers in the world (aged 24) with a year remaining on his contract should be worth much more than 30 million euros (being touted for DDG in the media)

Sadly, there is a huge price differential between goalkeepers and outfield players

 

[Drifter]

The Sun are now claiming that Madrid have served De Gea an ultimatum. It's now or never.

 

[FlawlessThaw]

Sadly, there is a huge price differential between goalkeepers and outfield players

It's not even just that, it's just Gundogan going from Dortmund has a number of better options at his door. For De Gea, leaving United for Madrid given his personal situation means that they are the only bidder and because of that they can drive his price down with only a year left on his contract.

Theoretically if it was simply a case of De Gea just wanting to leave for more money/a better club and the likes of Bayern, Barca or Juventus were involved, then the price would be higher.

 

[MDFC Manager]

It's not even just that, it's just Gundogan going from Dortmund has a number of better options at his door. For De Gea, leaving United for Madrid given his personal situation means that they are the only bidder and because of that they can drive his price down with only a year left on his contract.

Theoretically if it was simply a case of De Gea just wanting to leave for more money/a better club and the likes of Bayern, Barca or Juventus were involved, then the price would be higher.

That's also a crucial factor indeed.

 

[Maroo]

It's not even just that, it's just Gundogan going from Dortmund has a number of better options at his door. For De Gea, leaving United for Madrid given his personal situation means that they are the only bidder and because of that they can drive his price down with only a year left on his contract.

Theoretically if it was simply a case of De Gea just wanting to leave for more money/a better club and the likes of Bayern, Barca or Juventus were involved, then the price would be higher.

Yeah, that definitely makes sense.