Bayern cannot live with the revenues coming our way.For Bayern to pay Neuer £200k, would lead to meltdown in their dressing room, with every other top name in their squad, demanding parity. I can't see Munich being able to pay half a dozen players, £200k a week. Bayer'sturnover is close to ours now but will fall behind over the coming seasons, by a margin of approx 30% in our favour. It's unlikely any club in the world will be able to compete with us, so long as FFP remains in place & enforced.
De Gea Contract Situation
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Bayern cannot live with the revenues coming our way.For Bayern to pay Neuer £200k, would lead to meltdown in their dressing room, with every other top name in their squad, demanding parity. I can't see Munich being able to pay half a dozen players, £200k a week. Bayer'sturnover is close to ours now but will fall behind over the coming seasons, by a margin of approx 30% in our favour. It's unlikely any club in the world will be able to compete with us, so long as FFP remains in place & enforced.
Good point (I hope
)Like I said before, good news no one believes, bad news is taken as gospel.
I think players have always followed the money - remember Rangers attracting Souness, Butcher, Wilkins, Gasgoine, Woods, because Rangers were paying more than they could earn in the old 1st Div & early Prem years. I agree it's a long shot but lets not pretend loyalty comes before lucre. Spain & certainly Italy, will not be competing salary wise, with the top four in the EPL & certainly not, with United.
I've updates the OP with the latest results, things are moving so quickly now, once a week isn't enough, until things calm down a bit.
The Nos went above 40% for the first time yesterday, positive news however doesn't seem to have any effect.
The Nos went above 40% for the first time yesterday, positive news however doesn't seem to have any effect.
I swear I've read that for a few years now. Our revenue is growing like crazy at the moment. The exchange rate between GBP and Euro hurts us a lot, but other than that we're easily competitive with United in terms of money, like the increased Adidas deal from yesterday proves. Adidas just increased the 25m deal that was still running until 2020 to 60m a year until 2030. And we're constantly bringing in new deals just like United. We just started marketing our brand in the US and Asia and while it's difficult to catch up with United outside of Europe, our growth is still extraordinary and there's a lot of potential for us.
Good luck trying to attract one of our players. Real and maybe Barca have a pull that makes it possible, because it's about more than just money. United clearly doesn't.
He seems to be a bit "cold" in these situations anyway. For example last summer he posted the pic when he signed for us on his twitter and wrote something like "3 years ago it was the best day of my life". I mean when you have been an Atletico youth product and made your name there you shouldn't really write stuff like that. Needless to say the replies of Atletico fans to that tweet were anything but nice.
Don't think that will matter.
If wages was all that mattered he would have signed already.
I agree these wages are ridiculous.
But with the way the game is today; why is 200k per week for a top 3 in the world keeper ridiculous while 200k a week for top striker acceptable?
That is a way of seeing it. Another way is: '200k a week for by far our best player of last 2 seasons'.
Agree, but that stuff counts for less and less nowadays.
The new EPL deals will make a big difference IMO in the next few years. Wouldn't be surprised that in 5 years, United will have a revenue for 100m pounds more than Bayern. If euro stays at this rate, it will be a significant diference.
Obviously, not everything is about the money though.
Presumably the same reason that transfer fees for the best strikers are two or three times more than those for the best keepers.
Manchester United turnover is expected to reach £800 a year, by 2017 - the Bundesliga has a heck of a lot of ground to make up to have as great a pulling power, as the EPL does worldwide & while your league is dominated by one team, that will continue to be the case.
I accept it is a door yet to be kicked in, so far as United attracting the best from Munich or for that matter, from Spain but as City have shown, as Blackburn, Newcastle & Leeds briefly showed, it's money that talks. Italian & Spanish clubs were nowhere in European football, from '69 to '89, with but a single European Cup win, in that 20 year period. Only when they started to dominate the transfer market, with Inter taking their pick of German players, did they reassert themselves & I believe this will happen again, with the EPL attracting the very best over the next 5-10 years.
Unless, this was from the beginning a tactic to get more money from us.
No, just no.
True, but money always will talk no matter what your reasons are. I think it's important that we're at least sending him a message of how much he's wanted at the club by offering such a sum. I think a lot of us would be even less confident and pretty disappointed if we were offering peanuts with Madrid in the picture. Any advantage we can get, we should take.
Terrific argument, many thanks
Yeah, the broadcasting deal is a huge advantage. But our commercial revenue from within Germany is still significantly higher than what United can earn in England and makes up for a large part of it. The weak Euro is the far bigger problem.
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Good luck trying to sign Neuer as a replacement for De Gea, you should put as much effort as possible into it, all summer long.
You're welcome.Terrific argument, many thanks
No-one though has ever projected that United revenue will reach 800m pounds (or near it) in the next couple of years. For 13/14 our revenue was 518m EUR (which in current rate is 371m pounds). There is 0% that it will increase for 120% on a couple of years.
Even 800m euro (on current rate) seems extremely unlikely.
Which is?
That's a great way of calculating United's revenue
. Think you used twice the worst possible exchange rates to reduce the original numbers from the officially reported 433m GBP to 371m. Your point still stands of course, there's no way United will double their revenue within 3 years.Sometimes I wonder how important it is to have a top keeper. Barca, for example, have two different keepers they play in the cl and league respectively, and they both do a good enough job. Neither is considers world class, and no one thinks it's an issue.
would I be correct in saying that it matters less if your team is a dominant one ?
would I be correct in saying that it matters less if your team is a dominant one ?
Strikers are a more valuable asset than keepers. They cost more to sign and should therefore expect to earn more wages.
Yep. Though it won't continue like this forever (IMO).
Currently, it seems to be 518m for United compared to 487m for Bayern (for last season). This season United gets around 30m pounds more from Chevrolet and from next season we will get around 55m more from adidas. On current rate, that will be around 120m euro more by the end of next season. Add to that the money which will come from the increase on EPL money and the other pocket money, and within the next 3 years I think that United will have a revenue of around 750m EUR (if the rate doesn't change). On the meantime, I guess that Bayern won't go higher than 600m (even that might be extremely generous).
Of course, I fully expect that some % of this increase will go to Glazer's pockets (in fact, I think that is perfectly fair) and with the difference on quality between German and English players, it won't be that big difference on how much the clubs can spend (both prefer the players from their country, and Germans cost far less than English).
Well, I just went into deloitte page when the results are in euros, and converted them to pounds. Anyway, it seems that the revenue in pounds (which is the real revenue) is 363m pounds. Which is 507m euros (around 20m higher than yours).That's a great way of calculating United's revenue
I understand what you are saying.
I'm asking why though, as we have seen, keepers can be just as if not more important than some outfield players a lot of the time.
I used to be a keeper - so I'm a fully paid up member of the goalkeepers union - but the bottom line is that keepers are less influential than outfield players, especially when playing for a top team. If you're battling relegation it might just make financial sense to prioritise investment on a keeper over other positions but for all the best teams around it makes more sense to prioritise investment in players who will see more of the ball (i.e. attacking players) Which explains the discrepancy in transfer fees/salaries for elite keepers vs elite strikers.
This is a weird one, though. The implications of losing him right now, to Madrid, go above and beyond the influence on our team. It's about our status as a club. So I'm fine with us throwing crazy money at the problem.
As one of our top 3 players this season he's well worth the reported 200k a week. Someone like him must look at RVP and Falcao and many other fringe players picking up parity with his own wages and choke on his daily richmond sausages!
You can't adjust wages to account for form, though. Be cunning if you could, though. Not that any footballer would accept it, mine you.
Forwards are generally much more popular and thus have much higher marketing potential and bring more benefits, outside the pitch. Few people buy keepers' kits and few people become fans of a team because of their star keeper.
Ball seems to be in our court again:
-DDG can sign a new contract for us, we made him an offer he can't refuse.
-If DDG does want to leave for Real then it will have to be this summer because Real will have a transferban next season. Which means Real will only want to do business if it is for this summer, waiting won't be an option because than they will be stuck with Casillias for atleast 2 more years and running the risk DDG might sign for Barcelona next year if he does want to move to spain. So we can basically force them to pay through their nose if DDG does want to leave.
Very happy with this changed situation.
Still hope DDG stays on but if he's off than I rather get £70m for him than £20m and if he runs out his contract to get to spain than I rather have him go to Barcelona instead of Real Madrid.
-DDG can sign a new contract for us, we made him an offer he can't refuse.
-If DDG does want to leave for Real then it will have to be this summer because Real will have a transferban next season. Which means Real will only want to do business if it is for this summer, waiting won't be an option because than they will be stuck with Casillias for atleast 2 more years and running the risk DDG might sign for Barcelona next year if he does want to move to spain. So we can basically force them to pay through their nose if DDG does want to leave.
Very happy with this changed situation.
Still hope DDG stays on but if he's off than I rather get £70m for him than £20m and if he runs out his contract to get to spain than I rather have him go to Barcelona instead of Real Madrid.
De Gea's shirt (this season) is the fourth most sold shirt in EPL and second only to Di Maria when it comes to United, btw, Di Maria has more sold shirts than the players in position 2-4 combined (Alexis, Costa and De Gea). So, I guess De Gea is an exception when it comes to that.
The less difficult saves need to be made, the less important the goalkeeper function is. The more difficult saves need to be made, the more important the goalkeeper function is.
Dominant teams usually need to make less saves, else they wouldn't be dominant, so you're right.
It's all about money, and trophies, and history.
The warm weather is overrated. Although it is true that the Prem is a little too physical for some ;-)
I find that extremely hard to believe.
I guess it is as good source as any:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...eague-s-popular-player-based-shirt-sales.html
I think being commanding and a good understanding with the defence is more important for top teams than having cat like reflexes. Bravo commands his area well and similarly that was the reason we were able to win leagues with van der Gouw but struggled with the likes of Howard and Carroll.
That's insane if it's accurate. You'll often see people in a Rooney shirt (for example), never a goalkeeper one.
I'm not saying it's wrong or anything, just extremely weird.
It is just one retailer, but I guess that (at-least for England) it might be quite accurate.
It is definitely weird and something that most likely happens extremely rarely (in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if this is the first time it has happened for a keeper to be on top 10). From the list you see that there are 5 United players on top 10. With De Gea being our best player on two consecutive seasons, it makes sense for this to happen. Less likely for other clubs though, who have only one or at most two players in these lists.
Cue Madrid propaganda machine if/when they sign him : "Madrid have recouped 500x of the transfer fee and wages in shirt sales, even before the ink on the contract dried up."
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