He's leaving a lot earlier than expected. Starting to despise Real Madrid.
De Gea Contract Situation
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You'd have to think the club hierarchy wouldn't be too happy with Mendes if De Gea leaves for a small fee due to the contract situation. Not sure there's much they could do about it, but it should surely make them re-evaluate future interactions with him at least.
We should form an agreement with other big clubs to blockade him. His clients will all leave him and he will feck off back to being irrelevant. He is a parasite and the very thing wrong with modern football.
Our issue with Mendez should be that he delayed the contract negotiations for so long when he knew that DDG was off. Now we don't know what's going on and he works behind the club's back to get him to Madrid...
Hypothetical question: if we refuse to sell him, cant he just buy out his contract?
There's an agreement between the top clubs that they won't exploit that loophole.
I mean that it's no concern to us fans in terms of De Gea "owing" the fans anything, because how much the club sells him for has no correlation with the supporters. It has no baring on us at all.
As I say, if he wants to leave United, then De Gea is going to do that whether he has 1 year to go, or 5. Madrid, if they are genuine suitors, will simply make that happen. De Gea will make that happen.
Sure, the club could get more money for him if he had a longer contract, but the supporters receive no benefit of players being sold for higher fees, so I don't see why many are getting so worked up about how he has let his contract run down. If a player wants to leave, then they will leave.
I'd rather sell him now and replace him this Summer than keep him for a year and let him go on a free, and it's not even about possible £20m fee we might receive from Real Madrid. It's just that I wouldn't really like the idea of seeing a player who doesn't want to be here and who's certain to leave the following year play for my favourite club. Yes, we knew Ronaldo wanted to go to Real Madrid and still loved him but it wasn't THAT apparent that he was going to move there at certain point.
It's less apparent that De Gea is going to leave than was regarding Ronaldo, who actually couldn't stop talking about Real Madrid in the media.
I mean if he sits down and straightforward refuses to sign a new deal saying he wants to go to Real Madrid. At the minute there is still a slight hope he is just delaying penning a new deal until the end of season.
Whilst i am begining to think DDG might be off this year, part of me is thinking maybe he is waiting to see if we qualify for champs league first before signing. 2 seasons out of the champions league for a young player with ambitions of becomming a regular for his national team may be seen as a hinderance to that ambition.
I'm fed up of the merry-go-round of it and it effects everyone. Course I'd sooner him be here but I really not bothered if it means this situation at the end of every season. Not issues with Joe Hart is there but would be if he was Spanish.....
Begovic isn't a bad keeper but we're talking like for like with DeGea & Neuer.
Aren't you confident that we'll reach the last 16 in the next seasons Champions League, where we might very well, meet Bayern? Besides, it's not a simple case of, get their man because we might face them, more a case of, lets be best equipped to face top European opponents next season. If we lose DeGea, then Neuer would placate any supporter. Double his money & it's possible.
I would go against the grain from an economic standpoint and keep him for next season. The reported fee is simply not sufficient for a player of his calibre. Keep him, play him but not as much, give Valdes a look for 2016-17 and then he can leave on a free next summer. We generate enough revenue to justify keeping him rather than cashing in on a small fee.
Is Iker past it? May sound crazy, how about getting him in exchange plus whatever De Gea will cost?
Could be in Bayerns group, ffs, new seeding.
Show me a 24 year old man who wants children first.
My facebook is full of them.
wants
Sterling???? Granted he's a little younger
He's well past it, in the last 12 months he's made numerous terrible errors. He looks almost Falcao levels of being completely shot.
It'd be a terrible bit of business that.
Are you genuinely suggesting no 24 year old man wants kids?
Are you serious? Lots of footballers become / have become dad with 23/24 and that mostly without their gf / wife being 5 years older than them.
I've never met a guy that age who's actively wanted kids, they may have had a kid and been happy about it after the fact but it was never a planned thing.
Maybe my sample size is too small but thats my experience?
Maybe my sample size is too small but thats my experience?
Still plenty of them who wanted kids.
Exactly
Yes, I don't really get the fuss over the delay with this contract extenson. Smalling only just extended his last week and wasn't his ending next summer as well? I would think Smalling is a much more straightforward contract to sort out, so I'm not that surprised we haven't seen DDG pen his extension yet.
His girlfriend is 30, maybe she feels it's time?
I was originally responding to the point you made that the players owe the fans nothing! And based on what I said earlier, I still maintain that without the direct and indirect financial input of paying fans, be it through the turnstiles, buying merchandise or paying subscriptions to tv channels, football players would not be the multi millionaires they are now.
I also know that from a financial perspective, if he pushes for a move, it will most probably happen. I also know that as fans, the transfer fee is irrelevant as far as we are concerned as we don't ever see this money.
I'm not getting worked up about whether he leaves or not. As good as he is, he is one player, and not irreplaceable. Was basically responding to the point you made that players owe fans nothing
Top 4 isn't guarenteed yet, let alone qualifying to the group stage, so confidence in making the last 16 is a bit of a stretch.
De Gea has been offered an obcene amount of money, but being Spanish he may choose to play in Spain for a team that is favourite to make the CL semis every season. Neuer plays for the top team in his country, which is on par with Real in terms of potential success in the CL. Why would he even contemplate to join our top four struggles?
Good post this. It really is in his best interests if he didn't go to Real at this moment. Casillas will eat him alive - De Gea is only 24 and been with United where he's been protected and loved. I wonder how he'll react when he no longer has that protection. In any case, that's his problem.
We made him sign with Mendes when he left Atletico. Was one of the reasons for the hold up IIRC.
That is one way of looking at it.
In my opnion there should be a healthy relationship between the players of a footballclub and the supporters of a football club. I mean we chear them on every week, we come to the stadium to see them play, we want them to win and they need our support as the 12th man to accomplish that. At the same time we need players we can symphatise with. We like to see talented players, we like to see players with a good mentality that give everything for the club the same way alot of the fans give alot for the club. And we also like it when players do nice things for the fans, take the time for them, give autographs, take a picture, do some charity for the less fortunated fans.
Crucial in all of this is mutual respect. We as fans can't turn on our own players when things are not going our way, we must respect their privacy and social life, don't insult or shout at them like they are somekind of object but threat them as human beings that deserve respect at all times. But things go two ways, players need to show respect for their fans aswell. They can't refuse to give interviews or speak up after a match, they need to take the time to thank the fans for their support and they owe the fans an explanation after a really bad game. Part of that respect is also how you handle contract negotiations. A player doesn't have to stay with the club forever if he doesnt want to but the decent thing to do is to make sure that when you leave the club you played for isn't left in a situation where they are forced to sell you and are left empty handed.
If DDG really wanted to leave he should have communicated much earlier so a move could have been engineerd to Madrid when he had more than 1 year left on his contract. Giving us a stronger negotiation position and allowing us to be fairly compensated for his departure. We did afterall invest money and time in him, we could have elected to go for a more experienced goalkeeper to replace VDS but we decided to take a gamble on daves talent. We also stuck by him and kept him as first choice GK when alot of other top clubs 'especially Real Madrid) wouldn't have. He could have ended up on the bench or been transferred out the club and he would have needed to take a step back if that were the case. But we had confidence in him and we showed him that by keeping him on as first choice goalkeeper. He obviously repayed that trust over the last 2 seasons but you can ask the question weither that is enough and my answer is no. He was part of last seasons disaster that was hard on everybody that has a warm hearth for United. He aswell as the other players have the responsibility to set that situation right. They did the first step for that this season by getting back in the CL. But the journey isnt finished, in the next years we could compete for the title again and DDG would probably the most important piece in that entire puzzle.
That doesn't mean he has to stay at the club if he doesn't want to but it is a very painfull situation to see that such an important part of your team doesnt want to be part of the team anymore. He basically leaves without having first given the fans what they deserve which is a team performance that would see us win a title or the CL. When Ronaldo left for instance these things could not be said because he was an important part of a team that won the league and the CL. Now I am not advocating that DDG has to stay until he wins us some silverware, imo that is no players obligation but it would show a deep respect and love for the fans if he did. Maybay asking that of him is too much and if he wants to leave, I think the club and the fans can't stand in his way. But the manner in which you leave speaks a great deal about how much you really care. As I said before at the very least when their is mutual respect player and club can help eachother in this situation DDG could sign a new contract and we could allow him to leave to Real with his head held high. He'd get his move and we'd get fair compensation and the pride of atleast not having the feeling that you have been lowballed and forced to let a top player go for peanuts.
I'am absolutley convinced that the club has wanted to renew his contract for a very long time, iam also convinced the offer on the table would be more than fair to him and iam also convinced that if Dave would be fair in all this we would allow him to go if that is what he really wanted. But I have the feeling Dave kept any contract renewal talks off in the hope that Real would finally offer him Ikers position and the only thing he cares about is getting that spot. His management know that if real has to pay £60m instead of £20m chance exist they could decide to go for someone else cheaper. So he doesnt want us to be in a position where we could ask £60m for him, that is why he doesnt want to renew and iam convinced that has been his stance for well over a year now. Basically letting his contract run up so he can jump ship whenever he wants to. Obviously from his position a wise thing to do but it also shows a lack of respect for the club and fans that help made you the great player that Real Madrid would want to sign now. It is the same with Sterling, he absolutley hasnt go the least bit of respect for the things that Liverpool did for him and the negotiation tactics that both players have been using are the kind of tactics that you can only expect from utter shits.
What comes around goes around, DDG treats us like shit, we treat him like shit.
Nothing to do with new seeding, in the old system we could be in a group with Bayern or Barca or Real. Sadly we are only a Pot 2 team nowadays. The new seeding improves our situation a little bit.
It will be very depressing to see our best player leave at a time when we look to be on the up again... especially to them.
I hope we can at least try for Bale in a DDG and cash swap. That would easily make up.
I hope we can at least try for Bale in a DDG and cash swap. That would easily make up.
Seriously in which world should that happen? I know people love muppet dreams and it's nice to imagine we could get some Real player in return. But that will not happen. With one year left on his contract De Gea will be worth a fee around 20 million. Real has no pressure for that deal, if DDG wants the move, they can sign him this summer for a nice fee or next year for free. Why should they give us a big player? Casillias/Navas will do it for one more season. It's Dortmund and Lewandowski all over again, if he wants the move and only to Real, we are fecked and have to accept a shitty fee or lose him one year later for nothing.
This is what gets me about the situation. It just shows a part of his character that he kept well-hidden. But well said mate.
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