De Gea Contract Situation

[ottosec]

We never kept a player wanted by Madrid, or any club kept a player wanted by Madrid.

This is bullshit. We kept Vidic when he was wanted by Madrid. Losing Ronaldo was the exception rather than the rule.

People keep talking about Real and Barca like they are some transfer gurus and their teams are made of the best players from the best clubs, but when you look at their squads only Ronaldo and want-away Kroos were bought from top clubs. Although they have fantastic players the Galacticos era when Real could buy anyone is long gone. Top clubs just don't sell their best players.

The DDG situation is an unfortunate one, but if he will move to Madrid it will have nothing to do with the two clubs, it will be pretty much a personal choice because of his girlfriend and family.

 

[Orc]

Can we intimidate De Gea like Liverpool did with Gerrard?

Failing that, we should threaten him that he'll be on U7 categories for the next season (feck the reserves, U7 will teach him a lesson).

God, I truly hate him as a person.

Sarcasm is often difficult to detect on the internet. I can't tell if this is a serious post.

 

[Revan]

Sarcasm is often difficult to detect on the internet. I can't tell if this is a serious post.

Of course it is serious.

Threat him and if he doesn't sign, then put him to polish boots of our U7 players for a year. Then break his hand by accident. That will teach the bastard to not feck with us.

 

[Revan]

This is bullshit. We kept Vidic when he was wanted by Madrid. Losing Ronaldo was the exception rather than the rule.

People keep talking about Real and Barca like they are some transfer gurus and their teams are made of the best players from the best clubs, but when you look at their squads only Ronaldo and want-away Kroos were bought from top clubs. Although they have fantastic players the Galacticos era when Real could buy anyone is long gone. Top clubs just don't sell their best players.

The DDG situation is an unfortunate one, but if he will move to Madrid it will have nothing to do with the two clubs, it will be pretty much a personal choice because of his girlfriend and family.

His family is living on Manchester, right?

I guess it is a combination of having to feck Edmure every night and playing in a (slightly) more prestigious club, which among others will automatically give him the No.1 spot for Spain. Well, and having to live on the city when he was grown up. On the other side he'll get a bit more money here. That's it. If he chooses Madrid, I can understand why he has done so.

After all, it is a food chain and Madrid is on a higher level than us. It sucks, but so does for the fans of those clubs we get players from.

 

[Orc]

Of course it is serious.

Threat him and if he doesn't sign, then put him to polish boots of our U7 players for a year. Then break his hand by accident. That will teach the bastard to not feck with us.

Ha!

I know you're only joking now, but this is really the kind of thing Liverpool fans were calling for in regards to Sterling next season.

 

[Revan]

Ha!

I know you're only joking now, but this is really the kind of thing Liverpool fans were calling for in regards to Sterling next season.

Or United fans in this thread

 

[OnlyTwoDaSilvas]

Some outrageous bitterness in here. It's not far off the Suarez shirt burning which I'm sure we all had a good laugh about. The guy left his boyhood club to join United. Why are we expecting him to live and die by United, when he already didn't do the same to the club he grew up with? Most professional footballers will do what is best for themselves and their career. If he believes that returning home to be with his family and loved ones is what is best for him, then so be it. Players don't owe the fans anything.

He's one of the top 2/3 players in his position in the world. He should be winning the Champions League, not watching it on telly. I can't see United coming close to lifting the CL in the next 3 years, whereas Madrid are nearly always in a position to make a realistic challenge for it. A player of his caliber shouldn't just be fighting for top 4 either. He's won one trophy since being here. I bet he expected to have won a fair bit more than that when he signed.


Still, I am still optimistic that he is waiting for CL to be confirmed. And I'm also optimistic that once we cement top 4, we won't fall outside of the top 4 for a long time.

 

[ottosec]

His family is living on Manchester, right?

I guess it is a combination of having to feck Edmure every night and playing in a (slightly) more prestigious club, which among others will automatically give him the No.1 spot for Spain. Well, and having to live on the city when he was grown up. On the other side he'll get a bit more money here. That's it. If he chooses Madrid, I can understand why he has done so.

After all, it is a food chain and Madrid is on a higher level than us. It sucks, but so does for the fans of those clubs we get players from.

I agree that for latin players Real is means more prestige, but I doubt the difference is that big between our clubs to mean much.

DDG has been with his girlfriend for at least 4-5 years now, maybe they are thinking of getting married and have some kids(if I am not mistaken she's 30), it's hard to do that if one lives in Manchester and one in Madrid.

 

[Nozzy]

There's more of a chance that Bayern will just close business and reorganize themselves to play basketball than we get Neuer.

Well I wonder what money he is on & I believe it to be nothing like the £200k supposedly offered to DeGea. Is there no mileage in attempting to lure him, by doubling his money?

 

[Borys]

I actually think that this 30m release clause is quite good offer. He will be off to Madrid sooner than later, so I would rather keep him for another season as we face another difficult summer transfer wise. That would give us more time to decide which goalkeeper will be the best option. There are clubs who have bigger pulling power than us but they all have top young goalkeepers (bar Madrid obviously) so they won’t stay in our way I reckon.

It’s not like it’s DDG fault Madrid are offering such low fee, they hold all the cards.

 

[Damien]

I haven't been keeping up today, what has changed that it is looking worse than before for us?

The spike in posts are due to a tweet from a Real Madrid fan account saying a fee has been agreed for €25m (which, when in £ turns out to be less than what we paid for de Gea in the first place). So there's been a spike in posts from people not happy at that and questioning if the club could have done more along with bemusement at Real Madrid fans not rating De Gea as a top five keeper and preferring to sign someone like Leno instead (shame their board doesn't share those sentiments).

Ya, the dark year set us back, and the fear of the unknown then for players. But it is down to the board as much as anyone to step in and offer terms when such changes are going on in a club.

It was a freak year, but should be some protocol to review players contracts earlier than 12 months left. Especially foreign lads who are possibly looking for a return home or move on again.

De Gea was named our player of the season. Guaranteed we would have been looking into extending his contract then, with he and his agent probably saying something along the lines of we've just finished seventh, sacked our manager and things look uncertain so want to see how the next season goes before tying things down. For all we know Real Madrid had a word in his ear then too saying they'll have Casillas for one more season then look to sell him on and its up to De Gea if he wants to move back home with his family etc. De Gea might have mulled over what to do, with his girlfriend not wanting to live in England sealing the deal.

At best that "Proud to be a Red" tweet a couple of weeks ago was hugely misjudged.

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

I think De gea has really fecked us over with his contract situation, lost my respect for him. C.Ronaldo also wanted to go but atleast we were very well compensated for his departure (although with the money paid for Bale and Neymar still feels like Real got for cheap). But £20m for a keeper in the mold of DDG is just ridiculous.

I think we should never ever agree to such a fee. It would just ridicule us a club.

I would give DDG the choice:

You can either sign a new 5 year contract and earn £200k a week and we will include an escape clause for £80m. If Real is then serious for getting you they will pay £80m either this summer or in the future. If they don't then you stay with us and be the best paid goalkeeper in the world at one of the biggest clubs in the world, whose fans love you and that will be in the CL next year again and will seek to climb up to the European top again over the next coming years (not really bad position to be in as a young GK I'd think).

Or you chose for Madrid over us and refuse to sign a new contract and pressure into doing something that we don't want to do. Which is keep you to your contract that runs till 2016 and than you can do what you want (go to Madrid, go to Barca, go to fecking syberia for all we care). And if you refuse to play for us than we will let you play with the U21 and find a new replacement for the first team or let Valdes take that role.

But the option to go to Madrid this summer for £20m is not on the table Davy boy !

Agree. For £20million i'd rather just keep him and let him sit on the bench for a season and watch Valdes take his place for club and probably country at the next Euro's to. It seems really petty but the club could really make a statement by doing this and would also have most fans backing, hell probably the backing of most the football world for actually taking a stand against a player, It's about time someone did. The ONLY way I'd even consider the £20million is if the release clause of Lloris's is true and we could just buy him with that money.

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

Some outrageous bitterness in here. It's not far off the Suarez shirt burning which I'm sure we all had a good laugh about. The guy left his boyhood club to join United. Why are we expecting him to live and die by United, when he already didn't do the same to the club he grew up with? Most professional footballers will do what is best for themselves and their career. If he believes that returning home to be with his family and loved ones is what is best for him, then so be it. Players don't owe the fans anything.

He's one of the top 2/3 players in his position in the world. He should be winning the Champions League, not watching it on telly. I can't see United coming close to lifting the CL in the next 3 years, whereas Madrid are nearly always in a position to make a realistic challenge for it. A player of his caliber shouldn't just be fighting for top 4 either. He's won one trophy since being here. I bet he expected to have won a fair bit more than that when he signed.


Still, I am still optimistic that he is waiting for CL to be confirmed. And I'm also optimistic that once we cement top 4, we won't fall outside of the top 4 for a long time.

For me and plenty others, It's more the fact he has purposely let his contract run down meaning we have very little leg to stand on. He could of easily signed a new deal with us including a release clause knowing fine well he was going just to put us in a good negotiating position, Lots of teams do that.

 

[Walrus]

I think De gea has really fecked us over with his contract situation, lost my respect for him. C.Ronaldo also wanted to go but atleast we were very well compensated for his departure (although with the money paid for Bale and Neymar still feels like Real got for cheap). But £20m for a keeper in the mold of DDG is just ridiculous.

If this turns out to be the case then I completely agree.
Its pretty much disrespectful to the club to engineer the situation so that he leaves for a pittance. I have always thought that the "right" thing for a player to do in these sorts of circumstances is to sign a new contract but agree with the club (formally or informally) roughly what is going to happen, to ensure the club gets a fair price.

We have developed De Gea from a shaky prospect into one of the best keepers in the world. He should recognise that fact and if he has an ounce of appreciation for the club and the fans, he should at the very least be signing a new deal in similar fashion to Ronaldo - so that we at least get a fair return on investment.

Regarding the whole "girlfriend in Madrid" argument - I have yet to see a plausible explanation as to why Dave is the one who needs to move. He is earning stupid amounts of money already, frankly his missus should be supportive of that fact and should have moved to England to support him and his career.

 

[Jippy]

€20? Feels like every day I come in this thread the fee has dropped by another €5 million or so.

 

[Revan]

Agree. For £20million i'd rather just keep him and let him sit on the bench for a season and watch Valdes take his place for club and probably country at the next Euro's to. It seems really petty but the club could really make a statement by doing this and would also have most fans backing, hell probably the backing of most the football world for actually taking a stand against a player, It's about time someone did. The ONLY way I'd even consider the £20million is if the release clause of Lloris's is true and we could just buy him with that money.

No way.

In that case, De Gea will be seemed at unfairly getting punished for not extending the contract. Which is absurd. After all, in 2011 he signed a contract for 5 years, not a contract which must be extended a few years later. He isn't doing anything morally (or professionally) wrong by not extending.

 

[bri2013]

Some outrageous bitterness in here. It's not far off the Suarez shirt burning which I'm sure we all had a good laugh about. The guy left his boyhood club to join United. Why are we expecting him to live and die by United, when he already didn't do the same to the club he grew up with? Most professional footballers will do what is best for themselves and their career. If he believes that returning home to be with his family and loved ones is what is best for him, then so be it. Players don't owe the fans anything.

He's one of the top 2/3 players in his position in the world. He should be winning the Champions League, not watching it on telly. I can't see United coming close to lifting the CL in the next 3 years, whereas Madrid are nearly always in a position to make a realistic challenge for it. A player of his caliber shouldn't just be fighting for top 4 either. He's won one trophy since being here. I bet he expected to have won a fair bit more than that when he signed.


Still, I am still optimistic that he is waiting for CL to be confirmed. And I'm also optimistic that once we cement top 4, we won't fall outside of the top 4 for a long time.

Err, without the fans paying exorbitant admission prices to watch games, buy shirts, merchandise and pay for tv packages to watch them play, they wouldn't be getting paid anywhere near the kind of money they do nowadays, so in my opinion, and it is only my opinion, the players owe the fans quite a lot actually.

DDG signed a 5 year deal so we are well within our rights to hold him to it if he wants out.

 

[Mr Anderson]

The spike in posts are due to a tweet from a Real Madrid fan account saying a fee has been agreed for €25m (which, when in £ turns out to be less than what we paid for de Gea in the first place). So there's been a spike in posts from people not happy at that and questioning if the club could have done more along with bemusement at Real Madrid fans not rating De Gea as a top five keeper and preferring to sign someone like Leno instead (shame their board doesn't share those sentiments).



De Gea was named our player of the season. Guaranteed we would have been looking into extending his contract then, with he and his agent probably saying something along the lines of we've just finished seventh, sacked our manager and things look uncertain so want to see how the next season goes before tying things down. For all we know Real Madrid had a word in his ear then too saying they'll have Casillas for one more season then look to sell him on and its up to De Gea if he wants to move back home with his family etc. De Gea might have mulled over what to do, with his girlfriend not wanting to live in England sealing the deal.

At best that "Proud to be a Red" tweet a couple of weeks ago was hugely misjudged.

True, he could have delayed talks. But in certain situations you got to give it all, and get the player on your side. It is a business, and you do need the ability to comfort a player and win them over. The signings we made, be it most close to deadline day, showed our intent.

I know it is from the outside looking in, but if we don't jump at him/"make them feel wanted", then every decent player we have will leave the contract run down and force our hand. We have a track record of leaving players practically walk out the door. There is some flaw there.

 

[Revan]

Err, without the fans paying exorbitant admission prices to watch games, buy shirts, merchandise and pay for tv packages to watch them play, they wouldn't be getting paid anywhere near the kind of money they do nowadays, so in my opinion, and it is only my opinion, the players owe the fans quite a lot actually.

DDG signed a 5 year deal so we are well within our rights to hold him to it if he wants out.

We do those things for ourselves though, not for players. We don't buy tickets, shirts etc because the money will help the players, but because it is fun for us.

So, the players don't own us anything. The same way, we don't own them anything.

 

[sizzling sausages]

Agree. For £20million i'd rather just keep him and let him sit on the bench for a season and watch Valdes take his place for club and probably country at the next Euro's to. It seems really petty but the club could really make a statement by doing this and would also have most fans backing, hell probably the backing of most the football world for actually taking a stand against a player, It's about time someone did. The ONLY way I'd even consider the £20million is if the release clause of Lloris's is true and we could just buy him with that money.

I'd absolutely hate it if the club did that tbh. Such a petty thing to do, it would definitely make a lot of players to think twice about joining us in the future.

 

[bri2013]

We do those things for ourselves though, not for players. We don't buy tickets, shirts etc because the money will help the players, but because it is fun for us.

So, the players don't own us anything. The same way, we don't own them anything.

Like i said, it is only my opinion. Without the fans spending the money that supports the clubs, the clubs wouldn't have the revenue streams, so the players wouldn't get the millionaire lifestyle. Irrespective of whether we, or they, do it for the love of the game.

 

[OnlyTwoDaSilvas]

Err, without the fans paying exorbitant admission prices to watch games, buy shirts, merchandise and pay for tv packages to watch them play, they wouldn't be getting paid anywhere near the kind of money they do nowadays, so in my opinion, and it is only my opinion, the players owe the fans quite a lot actually.

DDG signed a 5 year deal so we are well within our rights to hold him to it if he wants out.

His repayment to the fans is performances, which he's given in spades. Fans pay to watch him play, and he plays well. His contract situation isn't really much of a concern to the fans. If he wants to leave, then he'd be leaving whether he was in the last year of his contract or if he had 4 years left. The money we get for him from Madrid, whether it's £15m or £50m, it doesn't go into the fans' pockets.

After the godawful season we had last season, I can understand why he didn't re-sign in that period, as the future of the club was uncertain. We're still a fair distance away from competing for the title, and an enormous distance from competing for the Champions League. I don't want him to leave, but I also don't understand how anyone could begrudge him for it, considering the caliber of player he is.

 

[Borys]

I'd absolutely hate it if the club did that tbh. Such a petty thing to do, it would definitely make a lot of players to think twice about joining us in the future.

Exactly, punishing player for not signing the extension would do us more harm than good in the long term.

 

[bri2013]

His repayment to the fans is performances, which he's given in spades. Fans pay to watch him play, and he plays well. His contract situation isn't really much of a concern to the fans. If he wants to leave, then he'd be leaving whether he was in the last year of his contract or if he had 4 years left. The money we get for him from Madrid, whether it's £15m or £50m, it doesn't go into the fans' pockets.

After the godawful season we had last season, I can understand why he didn't re-sign in that period, as the future of the club was uncertain. We're still a fair distance away from competing for the title, and an enormous distance from competing for the Champions League. I don't want him to leave, but I also don't understand how anyone could begrudge him for it, considering the caliber of player he is.

His contract situation has been a huge debate in the cafe recently so not sure how you can say that. I would much prefer if he has no intention of staying, he should just be honest about it and say he want's to go.

I know contracts mean next to nothing to footballers in demand. Funny how it works the other way when that's not the case (Anderson is a classic example!)

 

[El Zoido]

I'm still holding out hope he's waiting until top 4 is confirmed until signing an extension.

 

[Mojo_]

Haven't been in this thread for a while, the general mood seems very defeated; someone said something or just the lack of any news?

He'll go to Madrid, eventually. I think they can get another year or two out of Casillas, we'll announce a massive contract this season, everyone will go full muppet and say they always knew he'd sign and then he'll go in two years. Utd get a fat wedge of cash, De Gea gets more money and Madrid get a world class keeper.

 

[rover]

the issue is, even de gea knows he will go back to his country at certain point of time, this is still in his best interest to sign a big enough contract before he move.

as a castillian, real is the only viable option when he choosees to move back espana. but i do not see de gea will become their fan boys favourite. he is no ramos nor casillas. even if they play shitte there will still be at least half of the local supports standing behind them.

but this won't be the case for de gea. when things are not going well he will receive enormous pressure from everywhere and he won't get the protection that he can get here in united. and i assure it's just a matter of time a footballer will come across a difficult time during their football career.

if i were ddg i would plan to stay in real probably for 5 or 6 years the most and make it certain this would be his last club to play for. so, a smart move is to conduct the move when he is around 28 of age.

an immediate move back to real is not wise neither as long as casillas is still being around the club. you never want an old dog breathing behind your neck all the time. if i were ddg i would demand the departure of casillas before i consider the move

so, signing a new big contract can only do all goods for ddg to bargain with real, no matter in financial term or any other non-financial one. this is extreme difficult to rid of unwanted player tied with a big contract. and sometimes a current big contract might get you a second chance to survive if things go south. otherwise if real doesn't want to spend big on ddg, i'm afraid real can any time trash him into bin when meets his career crisis.

at last, players usually are not good at numbers. so i can't see the so called 30m euros release clause can from the player on his own. this is always the job of his agent. so is the same his delay in signing a new contract

 

[Timdbro]

Is there any way we can get the historical data from this De Gea index, for a laugh/cry?

 

[saivet]

Never really though about it, but just looked at our 'highest transfer fees recieved' table. Our top 3 are Ronaldo, Beckham and Welbeck. Even at this cut price, De Gea will likely be our 3rd most expensive sale.

 

[Revan]

Is there any way we can get the historical data from this De Gea index, for a laugh/cry?

You tag @Damien in these cases.

 

[Sarni]

Never really though about it, but just looked at our 'highest transfer fees recieved' table. Our top 3 are Ronaldo, Beckham and Welbeck. Even at this cut price, De Gea will likely be our 3rd most expensive sale.

Welbeck at £16m is top 3? And we have sold the likes of Veron, Stam and van Nistelrooy. We let Ruud go for £10m!

 

[saivet]

Welbeck at £16m is top 3? And we have sold the likes of Veron, Stam and van Nistelrooy. We let Ruud go for £10m!

Yup. Tope 10 as follows:

1. Ronaldo -> R. Madrid (£80m)
2. Beckham -> R. Madrid (£25m)
3. Welbeck -> Arsenal (£16m)
4. Stam -> Lazio (£15.25m)
5. Veron -> Chelsea (£15m)
6. RVN -> R. Madrid (£10.3m)
7. Heinze -> R. Madrid (£8.1m)
8. Andy Cole -> Bburn (£7.5m)
9. Ince -> Inter (£7m)
10. Smith -> Newcastle (£6.7m)

I know we've never really sold when we didn't want to and I'm more than aware that we've never sold big, but these figures are quite surprising. We've only sold 6 players for over £10m. Maybe it's not as strange as it seems when compared to other big clubs. Who knows.

 

[GlastonSpur]

... The ONLY way I'd even consider the £20million is if the release clause of Lloris's is true and we could just buy him with that money.

There is no release clause in Lloris's contract (it's against club policy to entertain such things) - the stories to the contrary are just media rubbish.

 

[Brophs]

 

[holyland red]

Can we intimidate De Gea like Liverpool did with Gerrard?

Failing that, we should threaten him that he'll be on U7 categories for the next season (feck the reserves, U7 will teach him a lesson).

God, I truly hate him as a person.

 

[SonnyTheHaloPro]

"It is also believed that fellow Mendes client Cristiano Ronaldo is a huge admirer of De Gea's talents and he has made that clear to the agent over the past year"

Double edged sword to the heart. I hope Messi wins the next 7 Ballon'Dors

 

[holyland red]

Some outrageous bitterness in here. It's not far off the Suarez shirt burning which I'm sure we all had a good laugh about. The guy left his boyhood club to join United. Why are we expecting him to live and die by United, when he already didn't do the same to the club he grew up with? Most professional footballers will do what is best for themselves and their career. If he believes that returning home to be with his family and loved ones is what is best for him, then so be it. Players don't owe the fans anything.

He's one of the top 2/3 players in his position in the world. He should be winning the Champions League, not watching it on telly. I can't see United coming close to lifting the CL in the next 3 years, whereas Madrid are nearly always in a position to make a realistic challenge for it. A player of his caliber shouldn't just be fighting for top 4 either. He's won one trophy since being here. I bet he expected to have won a fair bit more than that when he signed.


Still, I am still optimistic that he is waiting for CL to be confirmed. And I'm also optimistic that once we cement top 4, we won't fall outside of the top 4 for a long time.

Showing loyalty to United? The guy is flirting with the bitterest rivals of his boyhood club ffs. Loyalty does not exist in football. No reason to be worked up over this.

However, bitterness is always excused if you're a true football fan.

 

[Xaviesta]

"It is also believed that fellow Mendes client Cristiano Ronaldo is a huge admirer of De Gea's talents and he has made that clear to the agent over the past year"

Double edged sword to the heart. I hope Messi wins the next 7 Ballon'Dors

Same here.

 

[holyland red]

Ridiculous statement. We are discussing the GK position for next season & beyond. There is every chance of us facing top European opposition, in the group stages next season.

We're more likely to face Stoke than Bayern next season so let's nick Begovic first.

 

[jojojo]

DdG has a contract with us, a business relationship entered into by both parties. I have heard nothing to suggest that he does not want to live up to his side of the contract - to train and play and do the best job he can for us.

United have a policy of not doing annual top-up contracts - trading more money for another year or a rise in the "release clause" in the case of Spanish contracts. That's a business decision and avoids some problems while creating others, where you have to accept the alternative, that a player will see his contract run down rather than sign-up as soon as you finally do offer him a new one. According to Spanish reports, we effectively forced Atletico to re-negotiate three times with Koke over the last couple of years.

This idea that a player at 20 signs for life (or, more accurately, until he's no longer useful) baffles me. I don't know many 24 year olds who are still doing the same job with the same company as they took on at 20 and even fewer who would automatically sign up to stay there until 29 without looking at other possibilities. And if one of those possibilities includes going home and living with your girlfriend, why would you make that harder to achieve by signing up to something that says that we control the circumstances of any future departure.

Meanwhile, back to the "revenge" that some posters want. Bench him for a year etc. I hear the emotion, but it's baffling to me why anyone would want to damage our season by not using the best player available, or alternatively wasting whatever wages/fee we could have saved. If he's still here next year, I expect us to play him because he's our best keeper and that's how a business relationship works.

He's just another player, they come and go, big red bus rolls on.