Figo isn't from Madrid like De Gea, so I wouldn't even count that. Same as Ronaldo (Brazilian). I just find it hard to believe that De Gea would move to Real after coming through the ranks at Athletico.
Scratch the Ronaldo one. Was getting mixed up.
De Gea Contract Situation
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Scratch the Ronaldo one. Was getting mixed up.
Ofcourse we're one of the elite clubs. But that will not be reason enough to put the clause you're talking about especially when the 2 players you're complaining about are Portugese and Spanish.
Chelsea have out muscled us for players in the past but I wouldn't class them as the bigger club.
Anyway @SonnyTheHaloPro we'll leave it there as this is the De Gea thread mate. We run a chance of seriously derailing things.
My point is that it is a stupid comparison to try and make. Most footballers at the Manchester and Liverpool clubs live in Cheshire. The Rooneys can see their family any time, any day they want with no bother so he wouldn't be asking us to sell him to Liverpool anyway. Situation with De Gea involves much larger distances and isn't something that can be sorted by moving Edurne to England as her entire career is in Spain and it can't be moved to England.
Oh, I misunderstood, thought you were referring to transfers between the 2. You think a kid from the United academy wouldnt join Liverpool later in his career after having spent years in say spain?
Every time a player leaves us for a club they consider to be bigger, it damages our image as an elite club.
By making it abundantly clear, at the beginning of their time at the club, that they will not be allowed to leave our club for a rival, we will avoid these situations.
I do not agree with the argument that every top class youngster in the world, would turn down the opportunity to sign for Manchester United if it meant they could not leave them mid contract for Real Madrid.
I'm not sure if I can be much clearer here.
Atletico Madrid are as far from Manchester as Real Madrid are.
In the same way that Everton are as far from Manchester as Liverpool are.
If De Gea can't settle here, and has to return to Madrid, he can go to Atletico. Not a rival.
It has never happened, even Ronaldo didn't left because of that, Madrid was just his favorite club.
Well De Gea played for the first team didn't he? Maybe like you say, as he moved away and played for another team (United), making the switch would be ok?
It isnt about them being the bigger club. Its such a meaningless term anyways. They have been a bigger pull for Ronaldo and for De Gea, not tough to understand either seeing their origins.
Why wouldn't he go to the club that can offer him the higher chance of winning trophies? That's even assuming that Atletico can afford him in the first place. Or that they even want him after signing Oblak for big money last summer.
Super agents like Mendes would definitely not let their clients sign such a clause.
So ultimately we'll be left with lesser players and be worse off. Players move all the time. I think we're going to see a lot more big moves over the next 10 years when compared to the last 10 (arguably it's already started).
Semantics.
Real Madrid, Barcelona, Manchester United and Bayern Munich are the 4 biggest clubs in the world.
We wouldn't let a player leave us for Liverpool or City because they were "his favourite club".
Why the hell should we be content to let them leave to the clubs we should be considering bigger rivals?
Yeah he did. The academy bit is to show that he actually has deep roots in Atletico but having been here all these years, I don't think it'l be that big an issue for him. Especially given the relative sizes of the 2 clubs. As Damo said, a big part of the reason is his gf and life in Spain, if Atletico were as attractive an option, he probably would have picked them.
The situation doesn't really suggest he is staying at United. There is zero benefit to United for the situation to carry on like this if it is under their control.
Whereas the situation makes sense if he is leaving, United and Real staying quiet and DDG gets to do his work with minimum fuss. But it has dragged on far to long for him to be perfectly happy to stay and is just waiting for the right moment to sign.
Whereas the situation makes sense if he is leaving, United and Real staying quiet and DDG gets to do his work with minimum fuss. But it has dragged on far to long for him to be perfectly happy to stay and is just waiting for the right moment to sign.
It's not semantics, and if a player is in the last year of his contract you sell him for something, you don't keep him just because your ego is hurt.
It is not about being "content" with De Gea leaving. No club wants to lose their best players. It is simply about players holding enough power to not be held ransom. You simply cannot force a player to rot in the reserves after denying him a transfer. It would be absolutely the same if a Real Madrid player wanted to leave to play at United.
You're right. For exactly this argument, I made the comparison with Everton and Liverpool.
Atletico are a bigger club with more resources than Everton.
In the hypothetical Rooney situation, we would never have sold him to Liverpool.
My frustration stems from our supporters seeming willingness to sell to Madrid.
Yes you can.
There is nothing forcing any club to play a footballer they choose not to.
We could place him on the transfer list with the proviso that we will not accept offers from our rivals.
What did we achieve with the 80million received from the Ronaldo sale that makes cashing in on De Gea a year early so crucial?
It is really up to us to show we either appreciate him enough him enough. He's the best player in the team, the most important player in the team, possible key player for over a decade to come and he deserves to be the highest paid player in the team.
If United aren't offering that type of money, which I doubt as goalkeepers never get the appreciation they deserve then it is fair enough of him to consider moving.
If United aren't offering that type of money, which I doubt as goalkeepers never get the appreciation they deserve then it is fair enough of him to consider moving.
100% agree with this.
If it turns out that he doesn't extend with us because we refused to make him one of the clubs highest earners I would be incredibly pissed off.
There is no willingness to sell him to Madrid. If in a hypothetical situation, de gea was a British(or otherwise) Gk playing in Madrid and wanted to play for United, we would have gotten him. As a club, we should do our utmost to keep him but that's it, beyond this if he still wants to leave, that's fine.
Van Der Sar was a better keeper than De Gea and we were just fine after he left, and we will be fine after De Gea leaves. Since he is still under contract we have to absolutely use him to get Bale to come in the other direction. If we strengthen them whist weakening ourselves then I just don't even know any more. I'm sure we will all have a much clearer picture in the months ahead.
Definitely. But our utmost doesn't include letting him leave before his contract ends. We don't need £40million that much.
And if he doesn't want to sign a new contract, there is nothing to stop us bringing in his replacement in this year.
Let's see how it pans out and then analyse and dissect the whole situation. The transfer hasnt happened yet right.
If De Gea does leave, I presume Valdes steps in for a year or two... does the club find an immediate first team ready keeper or sign another young starlet to groom?
Would one of these youngsters be a good option?
http://outsideoftheboot.com/2014/12/09/100-best-young-players-2015-goalkeepers/
Would one of these youngsters be a good option?
http://outsideoftheboot.com/2014/12/09/100-best-young-players-2015-goalkeepers/
Fair enough.
What would that achieve? If he tells us he wants off, why not get the money from Real? What exactly is the benefit of keeping him in the reserves for a year and then letting him go for free?
If he wants to leave and we don't get Cech (The by far best option as replacement) or one of their top top players then i would rather lose him for free next season.
Are we guilty of going overboard on De Gea? He has had a number of very good games this season but there has been many games, namely the Liverpool game (at OT), where the press were salivating about his performance and upon closer scrutiny you would have been pissed if he hadn't of saved them. To balance the argument it seems that he is exempt from criticism around his performances in the last 3 games - spilled one versus villa, should have done better with city's second goal last week and today was beat through his legs. Normally I wouldn't draw too much attention but when most on the Caf believe he is hands down the best in the world I think it is worth the discussion. If he wants to go to RM ask them for 30M and let him be on his way, we will find an able replacement.
Of course we not going overboard. And can't believe you criticising him for the last two goals. The Aguero one was nearly amazing save and hazard was a good finish.
It's just not his saves. He has commanded the box more than ever this season. Gone is the shy weak kid from Madrid in his first season.
I think the non stop praise of De Gea this season showed how poor our Football was earlier. I think these last few matches show that when you are actually controlling matches your GK becomes much less of a point of discussion. And while I hope he stays and think he will stay I do not think losing him would e the end of the World. If we play the sort of Football we have been playing since the Tottenham match next season we could win the league title even with someone like Valdes in goal.
It discourages other players from running down their contracts? Sends a message that we'd not look kindly at our players fluttering their eyelashes at the Spanish giants? Seeing that DDG's market value will only by c.£20m I'll be willing to take that risk. Tell Dave to sign a new contract, or get a new keeper and get him to play for reserves before leaving for Madrid.
If he wants to leave he should be allowed to. It would hurt us when it comes to bringing in players if we acted like a jilted ex to players who wanted to leave. It would hurt our reputation with players and agents.
No cash is king when signing new players! I'd be happy to sideline DDG if he didn't sign rather than collect £20m as it would send out a message to all players.
What message needs to be sent? This rarely happens to us(and really it is probably not really happening to us right now). Let us have a bit of perspective. We are not most of the Footballing world that has to worry about losing their best players every season. We have rarely been forced to sell players we did not want to.
If a player wants to leave in the future, he will. Putting De Gea in the reserves won't change that. There's no point keeping a player that doesnt want to be here. Rather take the money, move him on and let the squad get on with it.
In the era of FFP, we not going to let £20m go down the drain no matter how rich we are. And the Glazers certainly ain't the type to do that. Teams rarely do what you just said. If a player wants to leave then they will. It creates more problems if we freeze him out. What if for instance the replacement for DDG makes a few mistakes. Fans will clamour for DDG to get back in the team.
DDG is not to blame that his contract is in the last year. So are Smalling, Jones and Rafael. This seems more like a club issue rather than DDG trying to run down his contract.
Yeah, thank you for pointing that out (along with the other 10 people
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