Will be a big loss if we lose him now. I'd appreciate it more if he resigned and then we sold him so we could get more value out of the sale.
De Gea Contract Situation
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No player would sign a contract with such a clause. Would you do the same at a job? We cant simply let a player rot in the reserves for a year after refusing a transfer either, it'd be a problem when trying to get other players.
Its pretty simple really, Real and Barca are a bigger pull that other clubs. In De Gea's case with him being Spanish, his gf being there, etc, he has reasons to go. You cannot force a player to stay, no club can. Barca sold Figo to Real when he wanted to go, Alonso moved to Bayern last summer, Di Maria moved to us, it happens.
Why wouldn't they sign? If they come and things don't work out, we'll sell them on. Just not to Real Madrid or Barcelona. Same as we wouldn't to City or Liverpool.
It needs to be made abundantly clear to these players when they first come.
If that's an issue with the player, then fine. We'll look elsewhere. This was a top, top club before David De Gea came along, and it will be a top club when he's gone. Unless we allow individual footballers make us look like a small club.
The fallout from the Ronaldo deal took a huge amount of the prestige away from us.
Before that, the likes of Lucas Moura or Eden Hazard picking PSG or Chelsea over Man Utd was unthinkable.
Any player arriving to our club, with even a notion in his head that he cannot achieve everything he wants to in his career here, has no business playing for us.
It needs to be made abundantly clear to these players when they first come.
If that's an issue with the player, then fine. We'll look elsewhere. This was a top, top club before David De Gea came along, and it will be a top club when he's gone. Unless we allow individual footballers make us look like a small club.
The fallout from the Ronaldo deal took a huge amount of the prestige away from us.
Before that, the likes of Lucas Moura or Eden Hazard picking PSG or Chelsea over Man Utd was unthinkable.
Any player arriving to our club, with even a notion in his head that he cannot achieve everything he wants to in his career here, has no business playing for us.
Chelsea sold Robben to Real. Just that since then, Chelsea haven't really had any players that Real would want, other than possibly Hazard, and they've got Ronaldo and Bale so don't need another winger at the moment.
If he's leaving anyways, why not make money out of it? And yes, Real is a bigger club so it won't be the last time this happens
It's been one crazy ride but in modern football you have to accept players may only be with you especially when Real and Barca start calling the Spanish players. I read somewhere that the culture of Spanish football is the very best Spanish players should play in Spain. I do think he's replaceable though but will be said to see him go. Fingers cross he'll stay or at least if we could use this to sign Bale.
Well that's a load of rubbish, they might have a bigger pull but they sure as feck are not a bigger club than us. We probably have a bigger fan base than Real and Barca combined, and we also don't have to photoshop pictures to make it look like we have more fans in the stadium.
They sold Mata as well. I'd infact say that Chelsea are more likely to sell their best players (for a price of course) and move on.
Real are only bigger if we allow them to be.
In terms of revenue, value, support base, history and all the other things that make a great club, we are equals.
They discard players when they are done with them, often ruthlessly.
They do not sell players to their rivals when they don't want to.
Making money out of selling players to them, makes us look small time.
I find it frustrating that so many of our fans seem happy to accept the idea there are bigger teams than ours. Shows a lack of ambition.
In terms of revenue, value, support base, history and all the other things that make a great club, we are equals.
They discard players when they are done with them, often ruthlessly.
They do not sell players to their rivals when they don't want to.
Making money out of selling players to them, makes us look small time.
I find it frustrating that so many of our fans seem happy to accept the idea there are bigger teams than ours. Shows a lack of ambition.
Chelsea weren't playing Mata, they didn't want him and saw an easy way to offset FFP.
Much the same as Real sold Di Maria to us this year.
Very, very different situations to us selling Ronaldo or De Gea, both of whom were comfortably our best players in the previous season.
We've never been the sort to attract the biggest players for world record prices under Fergie. Yes, we my shell out big money every now and then but that's just not how we operate as a club.
Not wanting him doesn't matter though, as he was their best player at that point in time. Either way, our only previous so far has been Ronaldo. Which is far from the "oh noes, we are always selling our best players" narrative.
We can't really blame De Gea. To a spaniard or a latin general, we simply do not have the same pull. People are exaggerating this attractiveness nonsense though. Real Madrid and Barcelona missed out on plenty of players throughout the years who simply refused to go there from Gerrard, Lampard, Ribéry, A Cole and many others. It just is not publicized since it never becomes a transfer saga, we only hear about the long prolonged saga and in which case, the players has already been turned. Having said that, they most definitely are a bigger pull for Spanish and Latin based players and I feel that should encourage us to have some pride. We can't keep turning to these players and ignore our own. You might say well our own are not good enough but then so what, we should coach them, help them and make them good enough. Madrid and Barcelona always try to fill their ranks with Spanish players. Bayern do the same with German players and we should do the same. To be fair, for us we have a good balance compared to City or Chelsea, I was pretty happy with the ratio we had and I think the current ratio we have now is just about right but we don't want to be drifting away too far the other end if we want to avoid this as it really doesn't make us look too good to lose one of our best players.
I agree with this. You'll note my concerns are with the idea of selling De Gea to them.
Since Keane/Scholes and maybe Vidic were in their pomp, Ronaldo and De Gea are the only two players we've had with a realistic claim to best in the world in their positions.
Selling both of them to the same club would be extremely damaging.
There has never been a time in history when Utd has been a 1st choice destination for many players
Before Ronaldo we also struggled at times to attract top foreign players
Fan base and commercially Utd is the biggest club. But for most players we are not
Real and Barca are 2 of the world's elite clubs, no player will sign a contract that says they cant join them even if they want to. To draw a parallel, you wont sign a contract at an IT company which says you can't join Google if they approach you.
At the end of the day, the situation with de Gea has little/nothing to do with the perceived stature of both clubs. Its all about him and his girlfriend. He and Edurne have been together for at least four years now. She has a successful career in Spain, which she can't really move to England, while de Gea can easily move to Spain. They may want to start a family soon too, and thats what it mainly comes down to.
Exactly! It goes with the sickening praise they and Chelsea get on this forum for some reason. You'd swear they regret supporting us in the first place. It is the same people who are happy for us to have no identity whatsoever and just whore ourselves out to agents and players on the off chance we win a trophy here and then. Bayern always make sure they have a strong nucleus of Germans in their squad, Barcelona do the same and that is one of the main reasons they don't get in positions like this. Some of our fans simply want us to splash out and give whatever it takes ignoring the ramifications it may have on the image Sir Alex tried to project.
Real Madrid are a bigger pull than us for players. Its the same for every other club in the world not named Barcelona. This pull multiplies 10x when the said player is Spanish as is the case with De Gea.
If this is what he ends up saying, I think most fans will respect it and wish him luck.
You need a reality check. RM are actually the bigger club with more prestige.
Having a bigger fan base doesn't necessarily mean we're a bigger club. They have more history and prestige.
Yep, it's inevitable that he'll leave either this Summer or next.
Hopefully his replacement gets a good pre-season and settles in quickly.
On the flip-side, I actually reckon de Gea might struggle at Real.
I think he's too good to struggle anywhere tbh.
best young keeper in the world and if real come for him united need to ask a king's ransom.
Why? He would be just as good there as he is here.
Many a good player has regretted moving to Real Madrid. It can happen.
Replacing Casillas is a big deal to Real, and once those shithead fans turn, it can be very difficult.
Stop talking crap. We are the bigger and more popular football club, simple as that. Real Madrid are not even the biggest club in Spain any more.
I take it the rivalry isn't the same for Madrid players like it is Manchester players?
How so?
Alright, then. What do you want the club to do in this particular situation?
I think Barcelona have dethroned them in Spain. Over the last 10 years they have been swept up.
I'm not going to reply to every message but some of you seem to think I'm complaining about us not competing for world class players.
That is not the case. United has never been about that and I love the fact we create the worlds best best players rather than pay for them.
What I expect, is that when they come here, and benefit from our club and our facilities, they are pledging their future to the club.
That their ambitions are to be realised here. Not that they are coming in, expecting us to turn them into the best players in the world so they can swan off to Real Madrid.
As far as I know, we have never kidnapped a player and dragged him here against his will.
If De Gea has given it his best shot, but can't settle in England, and simply has to return to Madrid for family reasons, then fine. He can return to Atletico.
What he can't do is engineer a move to rivals such as Real.
Or are you suggesting that if Rooney had come to us after a few years at the club, explained that his missus was from Liverpool, that he was planning on starting a family and wanted to return home, that you would have been fine with us selling him to Liverpool? Someone explain the difference to me? Please.
We will always find, attract and create amazing players.
What we don't need is youngsters coming in who think they are better than this club and will one day use it as a stepping stone to bigger things elsewhere.
Supporters who believe otherwise are not showing enough belief in the club.
We are also one of the worlds elite clubs. I can't believe how many of you seem not to think so.
If, as a young IT specialist starting my career, I was offered a contract and a wonderful opportunity at Microsoft or Apple, I would 100% sign it comfortable that I could never leave them for Google (well at least not mid way through a contract).
You seem to be ignoring the fact that our IT company is (or should be striving to be) the equal of Google and acting like it's Jonny's turn it off and on again cornershop down the street.
That is not the case. United has never been about that and I love the fact we create the worlds best best players rather than pay for them.
What I expect, is that when they come here, and benefit from our club and our facilities, they are pledging their future to the club.
That their ambitions are to be realised here. Not that they are coming in, expecting us to turn them into the best players in the world so they can swan off to Real Madrid.
As far as I know, we have never kidnapped a player and dragged him here against his will.
If De Gea has given it his best shot, but can't settle in England, and simply has to return to Madrid for family reasons, then fine. He can return to Atletico.
What he can't do is engineer a move to rivals such as Real.
Or are you suggesting that if Rooney had come to us after a few years at the club, explained that his missus was from Liverpool, that he was planning on starting a family and wanted to return home, that you would have been fine with us selling him to Liverpool? Someone explain the difference to me? Please.
We will always find, attract and create amazing players.
What we don't need is youngsters coming in who think they are better than this club and will one day use it as a stepping stone to bigger things elsewhere.
Supporters who believe otherwise are not showing enough belief in the club.
We are also one of the worlds elite clubs. I can't believe how many of you seem not to think so.
If, as a young IT specialist starting my career, I was offered a contract and a wonderful opportunity at Microsoft or Apple, I would 100% sign it comfortable that I could never leave them for Google (well at least not mid way through a contract).
You seem to be ignoring the fact that our IT company is (or should be striving to be) the equal of Google and acting like it's Jonny's turn it off and on again cornershop down the street.
Barca have dethroned them by winning more things?
Liverpool is a few miles away, while Spain is an entirely different fecking country.
Figo moved to Real from Barca but dont recall any other move between the 2 clubs.
So is Everton. I don't understand your point.
In my ambitions for our club, and in the ambitions I expect the people in charge of our club to have, Real Madrid are bigger rivals than Liverpool these days.
Over the last 10 years yes, they can also now out muscle real madrid and sign the hottest prospects over them such as Neymar.
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