His greatest assets are that he is fast and doesn't get injured. I guess that is enough these days to be a top CB
Dayot Upamecano
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His greatest assets are that he is fast and doesn't get injured. I guess that is enough these days to be a top CB
Demichelis?
The right question to the resident Bayern fans is a comparison with De Ligt, who did three years with Bonucci & Chiellini, presumably honing his skills and attitude on top of comparable talent and ceiling at similar age?
That man is a legend. Always dancing on the thin line between genius and madman. Loved him.
Upa’s value has just dropped ~€50mil with his new nickname
Would've been a world class DM but stubbornly wanted to stay as a CB where he could be a massive liability.
His passing can be incredible for a CB too
1st leg he was returning from injury but the 2nd leg he was fully fit by then
The french media were getting way ahead of themselves with Upamecano and Konate after Varane's retirement.
It's confusing how the media and fans can sometimes forget about a player's past achievements. Varane was already at Madrid at 19, playing classicos against Pep's Barca and doing well against Messi. He then went on to win everything in football and form the best centre-backs duo with Ramos for years, while also being in my opinion one of the hardest - if not the hardest - CB's to beat one on one. I feel he has been underrated his whole career due to his reserved personality and playing alongside Ramos.
Defenders like him don't grow on trees. He's in the top 3 of the best french CB's of all time.
I doubt Upamecano or Konate (or Saliba) will ever be as good as peak Varane or win as many trophies as him.
I couldn't have said it better. Very good post. That's why I'm happy Varane retired, the ungrateful cnuts don't know who they had playing for them
As a Real Madrid fan Varane is a weird one to rate honestly. Obviously really really good but also absolutely infuriating at times and for most of his Madrid career he desperately needed Ramos or Pepe to hold his damn hand he was hopeless otherwise
Van Buyten, won 4 Bundesliga and 1 Champions League.
Was very good for us, only on loan. Spent all our budget on Antoine Sibierski and Claudio Reyna so couldn't afford to buy him. Different times indeed
That's fun times, lonees (Kiki Musampa, A. Riera, etc) and past it players like mcManamamaman, A. Cole, Fowler, etc
Shivers down my spine when I see the name Kiki Musampa.That's fun times, lonees (Kiki Musampa, A. Riera, etc) and past it players like mcManamamaman, A. Cole, Fowler, etc
Did score a belter against Liverpool though
Got to say, Keegan were a bit progressive back then with his 3 at the back. Dunne, Distin and Van Buyten were pretty good for our standards, and a "front three" of Anelka, Trevor Sinclair and a genuinly good Wright-Phillips were decent on paper. Shame he spent so much money on every ancient fecker he could find
It's about partnerships, your right, he works better with a more physical presence next to him, similiar to Utd where he slots in nicely with Martinez. Rio was the same, he always looked better next to a physical centre half, Vidic with us and Campbell with England, with whom I thought he looked at his best with internationally.
The most overrated defender of this generation?
He's shite
Seems the definition of a brawns over brains type footballer. Also was a calamity in last seasons UCL knockouts.
The derp to end all other derps.
Who rates him? Almost everyone thinks he's a joke
Bayern fans on here say he’s actually pretty solid most of the time but that his reputation has been unfairly destroyed by a couple of really high profile clangers. He seems to have one of these clangers every time I watch a Bayern game though.
Whoever rated him on these forums need to be named and shamed. Atrocious defender.
Dalot > Dayot
Germans can’t laugh but can all agree on this joke.
I rated him very highly when he was at Leipzig and wanted us to sign him. I can't speak for much of his Bayern spell as I've limited watching football almost exclusively to United, but physically he is about as perfect as you can be as a defender. He has some concentration issues and maybe that's caught up with him a bit at Bayern, but he's starting for them all the time and de Ligt isn't which must say something.
There's been loads of people rating Upa and ridiculing people who didn't - even just a few months ago, in pure German arrogance style, there were people on here who said he was excellent most of the time and had mistakes that usually didn't cost the team.
Also his transfer fee, his trajectory, the fact he plays for a big club, that he plays for France, show there are of course people in the footballing world who rate him.
It's a weird stance to pretend everyone has been saying forever that he's poor. That's just not the case.
Also his transfer fee, his trajectory, the fact he plays for a big club, that he plays for France, show there are of course people in the footballing world who rate him.
It's a weird stance to pretend everyone has been saying forever that he's poor. That's just not the case.
Bayern had the choice between him and Konate who were both available to sign from Leipzig at the same time for the same price and Bayern opted for him so they must have seen something good from him.
Konate was always injured and Upa was always fit
I always rated Konate higher due to him being more composed as a CB. I thought Upamecano was erratic at the time but with time I felt he would improve. The post linked below from several years back still applies today.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/dayot-upamecano-signs-for-bayern.444623/post-26653243
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/dayot-upamecano-signs-for-bayern.444623/post-26653243
I've thought the same watching him since coming here. He's kind of passive and looks more comfortable organising a defence and sweeping up behind a more aggressive partner. Which makes sense when you think about it for half a second and remember he spent a decade playing next to Ramos and Pepe. He seems quite a good foil for them kind of players to be fair to him. Maybe it makes sense to have that kind of player to shuffle the backline around to close gaps when them kind of players push out.
Lindelof, Varane partnership is hopeless though so it needs to be a consideration with him and our squad.
Nobody gives a F if you can hold the line vs the likes of Bochum/Darmstadt/Mainz, this dude has shat the bed basically every big game. Worry not, Tuchel will still start him.
He really has a knack for making things worse at the worst times.
It does feel like his best spells at United have come along Martinez. So, the theory he needs that aggressive personality next to him to get the most out of him seems likely from the evidence we have.
He was always hit and miss, it only got less recognition while he was at Leipzig. Mini-Maguire.
Not sure why people rate the guy. Always has an error in him
Maguire is head and shoulders above him considering both their bodies of work.
I think the online community has been pretty harsh on him but Maguire has hands down some of the most bizarre blackouts I've seen in professional football. I don't think anybody compares to him in that aspect. Plus, Upamecano at least is a good CB when he doesn't gift goals to the opponent. Maguire not so much. He's also not suited to playing high lines since he's way too slow.