Modern day Mikael Silvestre
Dayot Upamecano
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He was very close to joining United in 2015 which is when this thread was made.
Come on. Having amazing games when playing for Bayern who dominate 90% of the games they play in the BL? You could put Richard Dunne in that team and think he’d look good.
CL games is where you expect your starting CB to do the business. He’s been trash for most of their big games and was the same for Leipzig. Overrated player.
Silvestre was reliable.
He has which is why I find these recent comments strange
But you know this place, one game they're world class and the next they're shitAwful, awful player who gave City the whole tie on a plate.
You don't think the World Cup is a big stage? Because he performed there.
I didn’t think he was all that. I remember Varane looking much better than he did throughout.
Richard Dunne was a fine centre back.
England ripped him a new arse and he looked an absolute liability all game.
He has none of the usual, inner knowledge and flow any top CB shows out there, right? Oblivious to the game and without the awareness and the tricks.
And then he had an excellent game against Argentina despite losing in the end. I'd say he's a very good defender, his problem is his inconsistency. Still only 24 so if he can sort that out, he'll shine.
Upamaguire
Looks like he has a case of the Eric Bailly'
Rash donkey, you don't suddenly develop a football brain.
I remember our games against Leipzig (?), and Konate was the much better CB. THis guy was rash.
Konate was always the better player the only advantage Upa had that made Bayern sign him was durability
If you are scouting will you take a player who is good but hardly fit or a below average but always fit player
If you're going to make arguments like that then there's no point in discussing. Bayern just came off holding PSG to two blanks with him doing well, after holding Inter and Barca to no goals in the group stages.
Sometimes you need the right manager to get the best out of you. Lucio and Rudiger were also considered donkeys because of their rash play but then elevated to better defenders with different managers.
He also had some very strange moments in the World Cup.
I like him though, very old fashioned defending. He is also young and will work on his concentration level.
How bad are the rest of the Bayern CBs that he wasn't yanked in either leg.
Apart from licha, he is the best ball playing CB in the world. But his defending leaves a bit to be desired, especially in big matches.
Has he ever had a good game against Haaland? Feels like he destroyed every time even in the Bundesliga.
Can't remember a worse performance in UCL in both legs. He was truly awful nothing short of shit. I'm actually surprised he managed to shit the bed so many times in just two games.
Hence the unfortunate "Upamaguire" commentary.
In the first leg, his passing out from the back was so bad it was scarcely believable. He gave it away nearly every time. And even if it’s good the rest of the time, he can’t defend to save his life. So calling him one of the best ball playing CBs is misleading. You could say he good at passing, but you can’t say he’s one of the best ball playing CBs, because he absolutely shit the bed defensively over both legs. His first leg performance was arguably the worst I have ever seen at this level. I was incredulously he wasn’t yanked. Would’ve been better with Pavard at CB and sticking cancelo or Mazroui at RB. He made Maguire look like prime Beckenbaur ffs.
I believe in him even if he had costly mistakes
Who was CB ex Manchester City player also played for Bayern? Van Damme or something, He looked good too.
I think there's still a fairly good chance that he will stabilize and turn into a top CB, so I wouldn't write him off. The question is more whether Bayern are happy that he's making the journey there in important games of theirs, after they already paid quite a bit of money for him.
I feel he had a big problem with dealing with City press, he couldn’t cope with it. He played well against Barcelona, Inter and PSG but those teams press is nowhere near City level and that was part of many of his blunders.
Young Thuram was a lot like Upamecano, obvious qualities, rushed far too early in the spotlight and prone to brainfarts.
Thuram had the chance to play alongside top CB who made him better quickly, and that's my main worry with Upamecano, I don't think he'll be able to improve if he isn't paired with a better CB that can coach him in-game.
It's madness what happened in the first leg, an experienced CB would have taken over to take the ball off him most of the time instead of letting him make mistakes after mistakes.
That's one of the reasons I'm still pissed about Varane NT's retirement, both Konaté and Upamecano are far too raw to be our starting CB pair.
Thuram had the chance to play alongside top CB who made him better quickly, and that's my main worry with Upamecano, I don't think he'll be able to improve if he isn't paired with a better CB that can coach him in-game.
It's madness what happened in the first leg, an experienced CB would have taken over to take the ball off him most of the time instead of letting him make mistakes after mistakes.
That's one of the reasons I'm still pissed about Varane NT's retirement, both Konaté and Upamecano are far too raw to be our starting CB pair.
Van Buyten?
I don't believe in him because one day he looks like the worst of Boumsong and the next the best Marius Trésor. He makes no sense and gives no assurances.
Barca really should have won one of the legs - they outplayed them and missed a lot of chances.
PSG I can’t remember him having an outstanding game either. Didn’t it come in that period where PSG struggled generally?
He does have some ability on both ends. There was this pass he made to either Coman or Muisala that split 2 lines of City's defensive setup that was just brilliant.
And then...
If he irons out the lapses and indecisiveness there's a top player in there.
And then...
If he irons out the lapses and indecisiveness there's a top player in there.
He's 24, still a kid in terms of CB age. I've seen too many good things from him to write him off completely but I gotta say that the french media describing him as one the best CBs in the world hasn't helped so he needed some humbling
He was flawless vs PSG. Completely nullified Mbappe in terms of 1v1 duels
Wasn't Mbappe injured going into those games though?
He didn't start the first leg did he?
Lacks the instincts of a great center back.
Van Buyten and Upamecano are the 2 worst CBs to play for Bayern. They are Maguire level