Why the feck are you idiots discussing Mason Greenwood in the transfer forum in a thread about Dayot Upamecano?
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many experts have stated that Greenwood’s entry into men’s level football has been an exemplary example on how to introduce a youth player into first team.
And yet you’re lecturing Solskjaer of all people how on how to manage a young striker?!
Can you imagine the difference now with 20 mins to go in games and we still need a goal, we could throw on Greenwood and De Beek. Filth.
Agreed. Plus - I'd be curious but I get the sense some of the world s finest CFs started on the wings. I assume there is good reason for that that I don't claim to be knowledgeable enough of why exactly.
There's every reason when you look at his numbers to let him progress centrally, nothing to suggest he wouldn't score even more centrally where he's been coached to play from a kid. My concern though is his development into an elite no 9.
You want to coach a CB then you don't play him as a RB for 2 years of his development. But let's not derail the thread.
Not to mention he's hardly standing on the touchline whipping in crosses like a normal winger. He essentially plays as an inside forward on the right.
Factor his age in too. He wasn't going to play 40 games a season from the get go.
Pretty sure his clone RVP started wide.
The greatest the prem has ever seen, Thierry Henry started as a winger.
Just to play devil's advocate, RvP started out left at Feyenoord and Arsenal and eventually transitioned to playing more centrally, and that clearly did not harm his development. Playing out wide should only help Mason to develop more skills he otherwise wouldn't develop if he were playing solely as a no. 9 (like Haaland, for example). Having a multi-faceted skillset and feeling comfortable drifting wide will only add unpredictability to Mason's game as he plays more of a central role for us in the future.
Here is a helpful link to people talking about Greenwood:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/mason-greenwood-2020-21-performances.457023/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/mason-greenwood-2020-21-performances.457023/
Where did you get to the idea i'm 'lecturing Solskjaer' - I'm one of his biggest defenders and agree that his introduction has been exemplary, just like his recruitment has been.
I'm merely pointing out a concern that if we don't secure a top level RW then it will become very easy to leave Mason out there on the RW and the fear is that his progress at no 9 will be hindered somewhat, to what degree is of course up for debate.
Young Mason's numbers for his age are comparable to Rooney ffs. We could have an elite level, one of the very best no. 9's in world football on our hands and some get tetchy when it's suggested we play him in his preferred position.
Oh and I know many strikers started on the wing, just think this kid's progress won't wait for a convenient time for us or Martial. Still the topic is there for discussion, but probably best for his thread and not this one.
That doesn't seem bad at an average of 25 games per season. Not bad for a 21 year old.
I have confidence. Bring it.
what do we actually need strategically - making him “an elite number 9” or making him an elite forward? If the latter, it’s perfectly fine for him to play the way he plays - whatever yields better value for the team works
Chatting on this in Mason's thread now. Don't want to derail this thread.
He suffered a knee injury which kept him about for over 100 days last year but think apart from that he's in a good shape
I really want this transfer but it is even more unlikely than Sancho. The very reason RB gave him a new contract with a lower clause is so he will 100% stay next season and they have another season to plan for life without him. If we are genuinely targeting him even knowing RB don’t want to sell and waste valuable weeks targeting a player that isn’t actually for sale then what can you say? VDB was an easy deal for us to make with VDS there, low hanging fruit. It didn’t take a genius to do that deal or see the obvious potential of the player and he’s been for sale all summer. I’m Hopefully looking on to see what else we do. As I said in the JS thread Brooks, VDB and badiashile is a very very underwhelming (and very typically United) window compared to Thiago, Sancho and possibly Dayot who all seem to be on the market. I’ll only believe it when I see more than click bait. We’ve been linked to loads of exciting players who would have improved us over the years very few of which we were actually in for.
Does everyone know that this is a thread about Dayot Upamecano?
Why are they still talking about here Greenwood 30 posts after you scolded them?
This is simple:
If Leverkusen buy Patrik Schick from Roma for €22.5
If Roma buy Smalling from MUFC for €20
Then MUFC have some money to buy Upamecano.
Just to complicate things Leipzig were trying to get Schick in on loan, and Upamecano plays for Leipzig
Did you all get that?
If Leverkusen buy Patrik Schick from Roma for €22.5
If Roma buy Smalling from MUFC for €20
Then MUFC have some money to buy Upamecano.
Just to complicate things Leipzig were trying to get Schick in on loan, and Upamecano plays for Leipzig
Did you all get that?
Yes, been thinking that, pretty much makes sense. Probably more practical, too... Only faint embers of muppet hope left and those are slowly fading.
These random conversations really ruin the transfer threads.
Back to Upamecano please.
Aside from this season, has anyone on here actually watched him/been aware of him and seen his progress? He looks great but I just don't watch much Bundesliga and suspect most people haven't seen too much of him either, anyone who follows the league or RB Leipzig it would be great if you can give an overview of him as a player and how he's done when up against the better Bundesliga teams.
Aside from this season, has anyone on here actually watched him/been aware of him and seen his progress? He looks great but I just don't watch much Bundesliga and suspect most people haven't seen too much of him either, anyone who follows the league or RB Leipzig it would be great if you can give an overview of him as a player and how he's done when up against the better Bundesliga teams.
Take the Greenwood chat to the Greenwood performance thread,thanks.
Now,lets talk about Daniel James.
Now,lets talk about Daniel James.
That’s great and yet it doesn’t change the fact he’s a young player who should be protected. We shouldn’t put too much pressure and expect too much of him too soon.
I would prefer us to sign a top right winger whether that’s Sancho or someone else. As this team badly needs one as we simply don’t have any. Certainly right wing is way more of a priority than signing an upgrade for Lindelof.
Is this the Dayot Upamecano thread or the Mason Greenwood thread?
UPAMECANO THREAD feckin ell
I wish the posters carrying on about Greenwood in this thread would shut the feck up
He has been a good defender all along. United have tracked him from 17 years of age. They wanted to sign him then but I think his family made some ridiculous demands from Manchester United and the move ended there. But he is a talent that United have been tracking for a while now. What you are seeing now is him maturing into a real footballer. Your question is a good one as well. I will use the example of Greenwood. I have been following him since 2017 and I used to tell my friends watch out for this kid. It amazed me that the English media only came to know more about him this year. So my point is there is a lot of hidden talent out there that most people are not aware of unless they start playing at a high level. Camavinga is another example.
I’ve been watching Leipzig’s matches every now and then since Forsberg moved there five years ago. For me it was Konate who impressed me but this season Upamecano improved. I guess that he was good against Atletico created some kind of buzz but there have been transfer rumours around him for some time now. They turned down an offer of 60 mill from Arsenal or at least so we can read in the papers.
United's original agreement was to provide a 17 year Upamecano with a flat, allowing his family to stay with him. This then changed to him being housed in lodgings, similar to the young Spaniards we have just signed and allocating six flight to his parents. So we moved the goalposts not his family.
Why did his family want special circumstances for him vs other youth players? That’s not healthy for the atmosphere in the academy environment.
If that was the key reason, am not sure what else club can do?
I think it was more about his family being with him to help him settle in.
We also where going from one head of youth to another and an intermediary at the time went back on agreements.
What his agent said in the past;
"An intermediary met with us, but between the project she presented us and what was actually going to happen," agent Thierry Martinez told So Foot.
"A flat was promised, but that changed to a host family with only six return trips for his parents. When you uproot a player at such a young age, that isn't enough. I wanted Dayot to have a stable emotional balance off the pitch."
Exactly that's why the club acted that way. There is one way to attract top talent but you can't treat them differently at that age. I think Manchester United are strict when it comes to remuneration for young players at that level. Fergie kept talking about a all the time
Why did United agree to it then change their minds? It's just poor business. If you want to use that reasoning, then they should have just come out and said that from the get-go as a policy for their youth players. It's happened more than once that United says one thing and offers another in transfer negotiations, and it's never good business for anybody.
Maybe the flat was offered unauthorised by the scout, to convince him to come, but then club had its own policies and refused to change?
I don’t know the exact circumstances but I do know very few clubs in the world have more expertise than ours on how to onboard and assimilate international youth players.
I’m not part of this clan who will denounce and ridicule our club for any perceived mistake. Especially not at youth level where our record of producing premier league standard players is unrivalled.
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Nope, Woodward has been accused of doing similar things, it comes from the top down, it makes United look bad, and it's not solely isolated to youth transfers.
If he happens then I would like to submit this chant.
Dayot
Daaayot
Dayot starts and we don't concede.
Dayot
Daaayot
Dayot starts and we don't concede.
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