Considering we spent 30m on bailly, a promising young cb, almost half a decade ago, 45m for upamecano seems like a completely fair fee if attainable at that
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Going a bit overboard there. Mings was great for the first month or two last season, one of the best defenders in the league. Obviously he didn't maintain that form over the entire season but he was still decent overall.
I didn't get it really. I saw both of them play multiple times. Kanote and Upamecano complement each other very well, Kanote represent the aerial dominance while Upamecano is the fast one who takes the initiative. If we're looking for one of them to pair with Maguire then it's definitely Upamecano, Kanote is very similar in style to Maguire.
Maguire can play to the right where AWB speed helps him while Upamecano can play on the left.
Although Kanote is better on the ball than Maguire, he is definitely a tier below Upamecano.
I’m not, a purple patch doesn’t make Mings a good player. He’s a Championship defender, nothing more, nothing less. He wasn’t decent overall, he was awful, I can’t believe anyone who watched him over the course of the season can think he was anything other than rubbish.
Greenwood has already scored more (non-penalty) goals than Rashford this season. Already, having been on the bench for a significant part of the season, at 18 years of age
Greenwood is a proper wonderkid. I mean age is practically irrelevant with him, he is one of the best strikers in the PL already and I wouldnt say his performance suffers much when he plays on the right wing. He has to do more defensively but other than that he still contributes, he scores and even if hes not a natural right winger, he is one of the best in the league at that position and yes I expect him to be much better this year and perhaps even our leading goal scorer, wouldnt surprise me.
Again, I havent watched Upamecano but some people say hes gonna be an amazing one of the best CBs. If thats so, get him. Sancho or no Sancho.
Would you prefer Upamecano and Brooks or just Sancho? Upamecano and Brooks would cost like what 85 mil, Sancho 110.
'Robin' was named to the team of the season by football journo's from across Europe
Woooooah.
I think Upamecamo would be a decent signing but if not for the frequent injuries i'd play Bailly a lot more alongside Maguire because i think he has a variety of passes in him and is confident on the ball. Bailly is a clumsy in challenges but i think we should have a CB who is not scared of diving in. My only worry is he is frequently injured and cannot be trusted to last an entire season and also with all this covid concerns, the season is so tightly scheduled. I wouldn't count on him to last the entire season. Lindelof has been good for most part of the season but he has weaknesses and so does Maguire (for who i think we overpaid). Ole is great to think about a quick CB who can get across and put the ball away. Upamecano is a great choice and we should go for it.
'Robin' was named to the team of the season by football journo's from across Europe
Cant believe Pool got 2 best full backs for peanuts. Credit to their transfer's team.
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Its almost as embarrassing as ''my dad's stronger than your dad'' discussion.
This guy is my dream signing for the CB position. Beast of a player and will compliment Maguire perfectly.
Even though Greenwood has done fantastic and produced outstanding stats this season, I agree with the OP in that Greenwood is still a square peg in a round hole at the moment. Greenwood's goal return has masked the fact he's not truly comfortable in that position.
Greenwood wants to always come inside and get shots off. Teams will become wiser to that and are already doing so. You will have noticed in the last few games of the season, Greenwood struggled to get any shots off on goal. I remember him not having a single attempt in the Leciester game. It's very rarely he will go around the outside and put a ball into the box as its not his natural game.
Never seen one as levels below the other, that's for sure. Robin is nothing compared to Batman, just a sidekick, which I'd infer from the comparison, which, as you say, I don't really get.
Bit surprised, really. Though @Adnan rated both as almost par - he's always said he rated Kanote the higher of the two - rather than one being levels below the other.
I think it's fair to say Upamecano needs more work to realise his potential and maintain his trajectory as opposed to Kanote who only needs to stay fit to become everything he's supposed to. But at 21, that's no bad thing.
He has the capability to do that. If we for some reason don’t fill the RW, he can definitely be coached to go on the outside more.
Sounds like he would make an excellent partner for Harry.
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That's why you shouldn't buy from relegated teams, never ever, or something like that according to lots of big brains on here.
Even though Robertson is brilliant now, I don’t believe he would be as good as he is if it wasn’t for Klopp’s coaching. He truly has helped him excel. If Robertson went to Chelsea or Utd I don’t think he would have produced what he has done so far.
Rio said he is the modern day Centre back and one of the best he has seen, I think Rio is a better judge than most of us when it comes to defenders so I go with him on this.
It felt bad we missed him when he was 17 but its good that he went to Germany where he gained good experience... 45M on a player like him is nothing these days.
A cynic inside me raring to grab these opportunities during this pandemic instead of waiting for next year, Glazers can arrange money somewhere in return to the money they made in last 15 years.
It would benefit them in long run as they dont have to spend a lot in next 5/6 years if they get players like VDB/Sancho/Upamecano/Reguilon in this window who are at good age, still the Net spend will be around 120M after selling few of our fringe players
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Personally would be over the moon with just the first three,can continue to look around for an attacking LB as sounds like Madrid want a buyback clause inserted for Reguilon.
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He would have been a quality LB regardless, his talent was evident and those who were willing to take a bit of a risk got the rewards. Same as Leicester with Maguire.
I'm going to try the trick that seemed to work in the VdB thread.
I have a sneaky feeling we will get him.
I have a sneaky feeling we will get him.
Good tactic and hope it pays off
Best of luck
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4 Livepool players and 1 Lewandowski from Bayern. Seems fair.'Robin' was named to the team of the season by football journo's from across Europe
Didn’t even realize this. The kid is so good.
As much as I love this, We are creaming for Upamecano/Thiago 2 injury prone players. Hope we are not adding more to Jones situation here on top of having Baily in the queue.
Cheers troops, fingers crossed it goes the same way.
That's a good point.
How injury prone is he?
He played 100 games in last 4 years.
I would think he was more meaning Konaté is the leader of the two who organises and dictates the play and positioning. Haven’t seen much of either this season but in the previous seasons that was certainly the case. Konaté had a much more mature game. It’s also not like Konaté is slow. More than capable of being the aggressor or covering defender. What he had previously was just far better decision making in my opinion but I’ve heard a lot of people and journalists say that Upamecano has come on leaps and bounds this year and cut out all the silly mistakes he was making previously.
Truth is both are really exciting prospects and young. Getting either would be good for us.
This is all on you.
If this transfer doesn't go through, I'd start boarding up your house windows and get some security in place.
Also put Haaland in his traditional LW position.
All the more reason for us to get Sancho done and play Greenwood where he’s destined to play, as the striker.
Don’t like the idea of 1/2 years of him being played at RW during his development stage.
Im no coach but it can’t be good if you want the kid to reach his full potential as a striker imo.
Yeah agreed. Greenwood definitely needs more game time centrally if we can resolve the RW with Sancho.
He's got the potential to be one of the best, if not the best striker in the world one day.
Would love to see him get rotation with Martial centrally this season if we can get Sancho in.
Just another reason on top of tonnes of reasons to get Sancho
Just to play the devil's advocate, why move Greenwood from the position he's scoring for fun in? He's getting loads of chances from that position, he looked our most dangerous player in the later stages of the EL from that position and we already have a very good striker about to hit his prime, who's just come off the back of his personal best goalscoring season. Plus, he's not really playing as a winger but rather an inside forward.
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