I'd be stunned if they turned down £45m+5-10m, but if we pay that kind of money it's surely game over for the Sancho deal. If that deal is gone anyway then we may as well invest what we have into a top cb prospect like Upamecano but I really was hoping we'd finally fill that hole on the right wing this summer.
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United fans on Facebook and Twitter are embarrassing weirdos.
Then again, you'd think this clubs wouldn't be so stupid as to take them as representative of all United fans.
You said "I said he's clueless because if a player has committed a future with the club for another year then he's not leaving this year. Simple, not rocket science"
That is literally not what Kajumba said
" Sources say United will have to make Leipzig an offer that is too good to refuse to secure Upamecano".
In other words, the player is attainable. It will likely take a better offer than the release clause (duh), but it does not mean he's completely off the table. Your entire basis for ruling Ogden out was that the player is completely unattainable this window. You said "hes not leaving this year" yourself. So yeah, a pile of wank of a post to prematurely rule out Ogden's article stating genuine interest (Which Kajumba agrees with). You have no legs to stand on, just move on.
Can you read?
Can you? Where did Ogden say that we can get him for the release clause? You keep piping on about fees, when that was never the crux of the disagreement.
You literally said that he's signed a new deal, so he's not moving this year. And agreed that's why you said Ogden is clueless. Kajumba has come out and confirmed this interest, so either you think both of them + Times are clueless or your initial post was just a pile of wank. I'm going with the latter.
Also, save your childish font sizes for something else - you are polluting the thread with unnecessary font sizes. If you want to continue this debate you can DM me but the audit trail is crystal clear. Ogden says interest, never talks of any fees, you say he's clueless and clickbait. Kajumba+Times confirm interest, you say "but they will need to pay more than the fee" which has nothing to do with the Ogden article in the first place. Pipe down and move on now.
Is he Varane/Desailly level of potential? Or a Mangala or Zouma? Zouma was extremely highly rated at a young age but somehow didn’t really progress (i know he has this terrible injury which probably stunted his development a little)
Definitely
I really like him. He's so composed on the ball and when defending.
Definitely talented enough to be top level, up there with the Varane type if he reaches that potential he has.
I think he’s proved himself a level above Zouma before getting a big move.
I read some people questioning the quality of this guy as a defender. A Champions League semi finalist. Considering the centre halves we have, I could even take Tyrone Mings. Our central defenders gives me no confidence at all. I also agree with Gary Neville, we need a left back. Luke Shaw is so injury prone and when he is out, it kills our attack from that left flank.
It's fine to not like Maguire or Lindelof, but rubbish like saying you'd have Tyrone Mings here makes the point redundant. He's been out of his depth in the PL in every appearance, he's absolute shite. Surprised you didn't say you'd prefer Clint Hill or Kyrgiakos for extra emphasis.
Thanks. This is very frustrating then!
Clueless to just saying United is after Dayot right now without understanding the situation that United needs to pay such a ridiculous fees to convince RB Leipzig to sell now which I expect you to understand that United won't do it.
Stop embarrassing yourself mate. Kajumba is the same tier as Ogden in term of reliability. We are not talking about reliable journalists here and Times (Ian Whittell which even worse) even posted that we are ready to make 37.5m move on Dayot which clearly isn't going to happen with that price. You are using article to weakened your own argument, so weird.
He's not clueless though is he, because Kajumba confirmed the interest. Him refraining from talk about fees doesn't make him clueless - he reported the interest 24 hours before Kajumba and others.
My argument is that there is an interest
you don't even know what the discussion is, and you're still piping on about fees!He's not clueless though is he, because Kajumba confirmed the interest. Him refraining from talk about fees doesn't make him clueless - he reported the interest 24 hours before Kajumba and others.
My argument is that there is an interest
Kajumba & Ogden are as reliable as Stephen Howson, they are not even tier 1 & tier 2. And who the fec is even Ian Whittell, sums up how he quoted 37.5m.
I don't argue with the interest. I never disagree about being interest. However, interest isn't the argument. I was arguing on the fact that Ogden believed we are after him right now.
United had interest in Sancho last year. Did we go for him last year? No! If your argument is about ''interest'' then you are arguing on something else and stop get me involved into it.
So you are now saying that despite The Times (who don't hire cowboy journalists), Kajumba and Ogden are all wrong and we aren't considering going for him right now.
And you also think all of these journalists are "Howson level". Good. I just want you stand by this because it's fecking hilarious.
Another thread derailed with a pointless argument about who can read the most. Amazing.
It's not derailed - one poster thinks there is no concrete interest in the player this season. Another points to 3 journalists who say there is. We're still on topic, but I do agree it's stretched out and I'm happy to pause for now.
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IF we get him, VDB and Sancho then that’s an incredible window and on the back of the Bruno signing just an incredible year in the market.
Urgh, this thread.
This is what I am saying and read carefully! It's clueless to only think we are after Dayot right now without much detail given the all the situation that had happened up to now, which my argument on Ogden's. Being interest doesn't mean we are going for the player now. Simple, and not complex. Stop embarrassing yourself with tier 3 or below journalist.
Hard to it see all happening. We are struggling to cough up the cash for just Sancho. Would be incredible of course. Would be great to have a quick, athletic CB to compliment Maguire and Lindelof.
I cant see us getting Sancho plus others I hope we do but you know what oir penny pinching owners are like one can only hope they have woken up and changed thier mentality
OK lets draw a line there.
The constant arguing on this place about “tiers” is complete bollocks. When it comes to transfers, there is no such thing as reliable - sure, there is some clickbait sites that genuinely make it up but if an actual journalist for one of the papers is going to print on it then that’s the info they’ve been given. Does that mean it’s going to happen? Of course not. Agents leak stories for all sorts of reasons and journalists know they get used sometimes but they are in a catch 22.
My advice to all of you is stop wasting your time looking at the journalists track record or saying “he was good when Moyes was here” crap - Instead look into what can be gained from the story being out there. In this case, it’s not a new contract so that’s one thing off the table. The other is Utd shifting attention elsewhere. Or, thirdly, it’s genuine.
My advice to all of you is stop wasting your time looking at the journalists track record or saying “he was good when Moyes was here” crap - Instead look into what can be gained from the story being out there. In this case, it’s not a new contract so that’s one thing off the table. The other is Utd shifting attention elsewhere. Or, thirdly, it’s genuine.
If I spoke to you I won't even mention about tier. However I spoke to someone who believes in "tier". It suits for him.
Genuinely would be the most exciting year of recruitment since Jose's first season and our best post-Fergie with those 4 having an average age of 22.
Not sure how we'll make it happen but I'd be absolutely chuffed and would owe the board some apologies
Except it never quite works that way
The two of you boys please take your arguments through the PM or book a room together elsewhere, will you? I thought something credible or concrete has happened when i saw 2 pages of new content but nothing of that sort
Would love to sign him. Have never seen him play. But the opportunity of singing his name to the tune of The Banana Boat song is too good to miss.
Dayot
Daaayoooot
I'll let someone else work on the rest given I've done the hard bit.
Dayot
Daaayoooot
I'll let someone else work on the rest given I've done the hard bit.
Quite a demotion there. Robin?
Leipzig are loaded aren't they? Why would they feel inclined to sell?
Right so it's now the Times and Telegraph linking us? If Mr Here we go starts living us too, I will get excited.
Because apparently there's a clause in his contract for next summer. So us paying more now may persuade them to sell considering they can't stop him leaving this time next year.
Oh right makes sense, ta.
Red bulls entire model with their clubs is to make them the best home for young talent by hiring good coaches, giving them trust and minutes and finally by allowing them to move on if and when a big club comes in for them. If they start holding young players against their will, the next generation may decide the red bull clubs aren't the best destination and the model falls apart.
We dont have a hole on the right wing. Greenwood is more than capable, he will only get better and hes left footed..or at least he plays like he is.
What we need is just some depth. A good striker that can come off the bench. Sancho is a luxury, of course if you can have him go for it but again we are fine with Greenwood even if Sancho doesnt come.
Now this Upamecano dude. If he is the real deal the great CB of the future then 50 mil is peanuts.
He is only 21.
Greeneood isn’t a right winger he’s an 18 year old left footed striker. There shouldn’t be too much expected of him so soon.
We need a specialist winger on the right. We haven’t signed one since 2009 and haven’t had one for about 6 years since Valencia moved to RB which is ridiculous.
Greenwood, like everyone else we've played on the right in recent history, is not a natural right winger. He's had a great impact there but in the long term he will want to play up front and it's clear that he lacks some elements that Sancho would being to the team on the right.
This kid and Sancho really would be a proper transfer window. We’d be 3 further shrewd signings away from competing at the highest level for years to come. More importantly we’d then be buying from a position of strength rather than needing an overhaul every year. That’s when you can pick and choose your targets properly and get better value.
It’s interesting how both VDB and this story have used the word “opportunity” - really hoping the Glazers are seeing this summer as an opportunity to pick up players we otherwise wouldn’t have been able to. CL runs late into the competition are worth 100m plus so if over the next two years we go all out to spend more than we otherwise would to pick these signings up it could be worth big bucks to the glazers in the longer term. And everywhere is lending money for nothing these days so it may be a perfect time to do it. A few big sponsorship deals are also out soon so with a young exciting team they could maybe get more than they otherwise would. There is some financial sense to investing now while others can’t/won’t. Obviously the big risk is the pandemic goes on and impacts crowds/the economy for longer than currently thought. The Glazers seem to like risking an asset for future gains though as evidenced by the absurd debt level in the takeover of us.
It’s interesting how both VDB and this story have used the word “opportunity” - really hoping the Glazers are seeing this summer as an opportunity to pick up players we otherwise wouldn’t have been able to. CL runs late into the competition are worth 100m plus so if over the next two years we go all out to spend more than we otherwise would to pick these signings up it could be worth big bucks to the glazers in the longer term. And everywhere is lending money for nothing these days so it may be a perfect time to do it. A few big sponsorship deals are also out soon so with a young exciting team they could maybe get more than they otherwise would. There is some financial sense to investing now while others can’t/won’t. Obviously the big risk is the pandemic goes on and impacts crowds/the economy for longer than currently thought. The Glazers seem to like risking an asset for future gains though as evidenced by the absurd debt level in the takeover of us.
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