Day 10 | Scotland v Hungary | Switzerland v Germany

It doesn't look like it from the replay and they didn't bring up any Hawkeye images so I don't think that was it.
It does look like it, and I bet that’s why. If not then it’s a beyond shocking decision.
 
Devolution and the rise of the SNP have somehow screwed over Scottish football. How does it descend from Law and Dalglish to this?
 
Just another shit performance. I'd be content if we'd been shit in qualifying, but we weren't. Pretty cowardly game plan against Germany, did alright against the Swiss and then absolutely no quality tonight. Nothing more than they deserve.
 
It does look like it, and I bet that’s why. If not then it’s a beyond shocking decision.

Well then why did we not see a Hawkeye image and why does nobody on BBC or RTE know this?

The linesman didn't flag either, did he? and it wasn't reviewed so I can't see how anyone knew he was off-side, if he was off.
 
Sorry for the Scotland supporters here, we wanted you to win - we have some good friends here who are Scottish. We were showing solidarity. :(
Aw, thanks Penna. I've told my missus that this is confirmation that you and @oates are hosting the Pidgy clan for a couple of weeks in Italy. Thanks again, we'll send you the details of our daily wine and Ragu requirements xoxoxoxox
 
Is there not a culture of street football in Scotland ? That's the key for developing technical players
Tbf we already had lost a lot about that in Europe, in France maybe a strong base of recruitment, small pockets in Portugal, doubtfull in Spain, most of the players come from the Academies, and we can see certain things missing from european players who only play their football on Academies, only a personal opinion.
 
It's obviously not a penalty. Armstrong just jumps into the defender because he doesn't have the skill to do anything else.
Yeah. First he loses the ball because he is technically terrible, then he stops, even though ball is going the other way, because he is stupid. And at last he uses hands just as much as the defender. Very Scottish.
 
Youth football in Scotland is, frankly, fecking shite.

There's only two sides with decent youth development systems in place and it's Celtic and Rangers - and they get enough money to buy just enough English Championship/League One level players to take turns winning the league, so even they don't care much.

There's no incentive for other clubs to have youth teams other than for community reasons, but it stops there. If you're a kid and you aren't going to uni or learning a trade then you're basically just going to spend your life sitting on street corners flinging empty bottles of buckfast and being a cnut to society. If you're lucky you'll get a place at your local club for a couple of years playing youth football, either until the money runs out or you're one of the ten folk every year that the two Glasgow teams take an interest in.

When I was a kid we had tonnes of youth football things to do. There were soccer camps and there were youth regional leagues. They relied on donations that are no longer there, so the pool is even more limited. It speaks volumes that Scotland's standout talent is a lad who has trained most of his life at United.
That sounds grim and sad to hear. I still think though there are countries with poorer infrastracture than Scotland that seem to produce at least technically capable players that go on to be bought by clubs in richer nations. I am sure the top English clubs for example would love to buy young promising Scotting players as they'd be easier to integrate. When you consider all aspects of the game, physicality, tactics, professionalism, etc ... Scotland are probably average in Europe but if we look at technical ability alone, it seems to me like it's way below that.
 
Everything has an explanation, and in this case he spent a number of years at Man City.
Just has to check his wiki as there was something off about him and he grew up in Norwich I think played more of a factor.
 
I don't think playing "nice" football is just about having "technical" players. It's also about a broader style and cohesion.
E.g. Austria, as a football nation, have basically accepted that they serve as Leipzig's academy now. That doesn't sound too flattering, but it means they get to play well organized pressing football, which is a great basis for creating opportunities against stronger opponents and their players have a much easier time moving to Germany. They play some clean football at times, without having amazingly technical players.
 
Scotland may not have a world beating team but they have players the manager is not getting the best out of. He shut up shop against Switzerland when they could have won and he set up negatively until the last 10 mins. Clarke has to take most of the blame for this.’
 
I used to say I preferred the Euros to Copa America because you didn't get teams as leaden and talentless as Peru, Panama, or Bolivia in the Euros. Then I saw Anthony Ralston and crew.
 
I'm fecking embarrassed to be Scottish today. Livid with the display we've put on this tournament, completely negative football, woeful quality and non-existent final ball. Team should be ashamed to give that to the fans who have been so passionate and supportive throughout. Clarke's tactics (if he had any) have been completely pish.

I'll be delighted if I never see Adams, Ralston, Porteous and McGregor in a Scotland shirt again. McGregor's positioning is abysmal and offers nothing in midfield.

The fact Shankland never got the nod over adams for 3 games straight is bewildering. Shankland actually looked pretty decent when he came on tonight, he mustered 1 more run than Adams could in 3 games. Just shocking man. I'm pissed off.

Scottish football is in a terrible state and by the way it's run, that ain't changing anytime fecking soon.
 
United have gifted a career and comfort for life to McTominey. He isn’t a midfielder, he isn’t an attacker, he can’t pass, read the game, hasn’t got good positional sense, can’t receive the ball under pressure, can’t dribble and isn’t the most agile.

But under the right specific conditions, he might get you a goal despite contributing nothing else to the game outside of that.

How he is still playing for United at 27 is bonkers.
Harsh but probably fair.
 
I'm fecking embarrassed to be Scottish today. Livid with the display we've put on this tournament, completely negative football, woeful quality and non-existent final ball. Team should be ashamed to give that to the fans who have been so passionate and supportive throughout. Clarke's tactics (if he had any) have been completely pish.

I'll be delighted if I never see Adams, Ralston, Porteous and McGregor in a Scotland shirt again. McGregor's positioning is abysmal and offers nothing in midfield.

The fact Shankland never got the nod over adams for 3 games straight is bewildering. Shankland actually looked pretty decent when he came on tonight, he mustered 1 more run than Adams could in 3 games. Just shocking man. I'm pissed off.

Scottish football is in a terrible state and by the way it's run, that ain't changing anytime fecking soon.
Feel for you. Really wanted to see Scotland show some urgency tonight and take the game by the scruff of the neck. Wanted them to win for Fergie watching on, but that performance was just so poor. Barely seemed to get out of first gear until injury time.

One of the most abysmal displays I’ve seen in a while, and that’s coming from a United fan.
 
I'm fecking embarrassed to be Scottish today. Livid with the display we've put on this tournament, completely negative football, woeful quality and non-existent final ball. Team should be ashamed to give that to the fans who have been so passionate and supportive throughout. Clarke's tactics (if he had any) have been completely pish.

I'll be delighted if I never see Adams, Ralston, Porteous and McGregor in a Scotland shirt again. McGregor's positioning is abysmal and offers nothing in midfield.

The fact Shankland never got the nod over adams for 3 games straight is bewildering. Shankland actually looked pretty decent when he came on tonight, he mustered 1 more run than Adams could in 3 games. Just shocking man. I'm pissed off.

Scottish football is in a terrible state and by the way it's run, that ain't changing anytime fecking soon.
Shankland looked good I agree.
Generally uninspiring performance apart from the last 15 when it was shit or bust.
However that was a genuinely atrocious decision not to give Scotland a penalty.
One of the most stonewall pens you will ever see. Wtf did the ref not see and var not arsed to check?
Other question, did we always have non European refs at the euros or have I not been paying attention?
 
To all Scottish fans: Sad to see you leave. You guys were great guests and you deserve better than your team.
 
To all Scottish fans: Sad to see you leave. You guys were great guests and you deserve better than your team.

For balance. I absolutely pissed myself when that Hungarian goal went in. Hope your flights get cancelled.
 
To all Scottish fans: Sad to see you leave. You guys were great guests and you deserve better than your team.

Yes, it was refreshing to have some British fans, who can behave themselves and hold their alcohol.
 
He doesn't though. He puts himself between the ball and defender and then the defender clatters him.
He initiates contact by going the opposite way of the ball and into the defender who was jockeying besides him. Tried to do a Jamie Vardy but wasn't good enough. He knows it himself as he made zero fuss about it.
 
Just imagine getting paid to do a job, representing your country doing said job, and also being shite at doing that job.
Could you please not bring politics into the football forum. We all know Rishi is terrible but no need to polute random threads with your thoughts on him.
 
Good for England potentially
Nah. If England win their group they wouldn't have played Germany since Italy would have kicked them out in R16. Now if England fail to win the group they might have to beat Germany eventually
 
Not a penalty on Armstrong. He moves toward the defender and it looks unnatural, like he's trying to initiate or force contact.

Scotland had an opportunity to progress, and are better than what they have shown; but even though one or two things have not gone their way, they have not been good enough performance-wise.

Against Switzerland they gifted the opposition a goal having opened the scoring. Even though the Swiss were wasteful and the better side, Scotland could have won that game 2-0 with the rub of the green (they had an effort that came off the post).

The opening game against Germany and how deflating that was probably had a sizeable knock-on effect.
 
Nah. If England win their group they wouldn't have played Germany since Italy would have kicked them out in R16. Now if England fail to win the group they might have to beat Germany eventually

You bring this up so often, it seems clear you're just saying it to convince yourself.