I thought Villa was better than Torres until Torres went to Liverpool. Since his move to Liverpool I think Torres as gone up another level and is probably ahead of Villa now.
David Villa | Monday 'defining day' for Spurs: Villa signs for Atletico Madrid
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I thought Villa was better than Torres until Torres went to Liverpool. Since his move to Liverpool I think Torres as gone up another level and is probably ahead of Villa now.
So how will this work then? Will we have Villa and Berbatov fighting for a place like Berbatov and Tevez? And if Tevez stays will it be Berbatov, Villa and Tevez competing for the one spot. Won't work. It hasn't with Tevez and Berbatov and I can't see it happening with Berbatov and Villa.
maybe berba will take to the bench better than tevez because it doesn't matter how much berba is on the bench or not..he'll still walk into bulgarian first XI.
Villa 
Yup. I was comparing them as players in the last two years or so. I just think Torres can turn games on his own. He can make rip defences apart using power and skill. Villa just seems to be a good finisher with intelligence in movement and on the ball.
"just"
I know. Right after i posted it that seemed wrong and as did the good. Good is Andrew Johnson.
I'm just saying he seems a little limited. Possibly Fergie thinks that what we need. I like Torres' kind of strikers, who make things happen, who frighten defenders.
I think its fair to say that Torres is more of a something-out-of-nothing player. More spectacular.
Villa is more hardwork and intelligent movement and is much more of a team player. He's also a lot more likely to set up team mates as his linkup play is fantastic.
Torres is very direct, going straight for the juggular. Gets the ball, runs at goal, shoots. Villa picks the ball up, looks for a pass, does whats right for the team and if there's a good oppertunity to go at goal and have a shot, thats when he becomes direct and goes for it.
For Torres its the default setting as he doesnt have a "create something for a team mate" side to his game just yet. He often lets himself down with the final pass.
Torres probably looks more frightening because he has such pace and acceleration and he is so direct and single-minded. Whilst Villa may not look as threatening but his goalscoring record speaks for itself. He consistantly wins matches with his goals and overall play up front at all levels.
Who really believes this is going to happen?
No one. Its his agents way of getting a bidding war started.
Most probably he ll still end up at Madrid or maybe Barcellona, but definitely not MU
I have a friend that is a Valencia fan, and he told me about this like three days ago, so I'm actually believe is really true, and would be great for us if really happens.
We're gonna do a Villa and Torres double swoop.
Aswell as Fabregas. Arsharvin, Valencia and Hazard.
Heard it here first.
Aswell as Fabregas. Arsharvin, Valencia and Hazard.
Heard it here first.
Valencia? FFS.
Did I say Valencia, I meant Ribery. Ribery.
I like that in a striker, that direct brilliance, unless the playmaking abilities are as good as a Rooney. IMO we have the intelligence in the use of the ball with Rooney and Berbatov. We could do with a striker who is single minded, much like how Ronaldo was (albiet not as good).
IMO if we're signing someone i'd rather see a striker in the mould or Eto'o, Torres or Benzema rather than Villa. Then again i haven't seen enough of Villa and maybe he and Rooney could build a good partnership. Does he score from headers like Torres does? If so, would he in the premiership?
Too old for the price.
Really.
Really.
Villa is decent with headers. But Valencia rarely cross the ball in for him to head the ball and Spain only slightly more regularly. Torres is definately a better target for aerial balls, always has been and always will be. Villa will score headers but a lot of the time he'll be dominated in the air by the best defences. So he's not the best player if you want your team to be chucking high balls into the box time and again as a regular tactic.
27 old?? Well get a good 5 years out of him, enough for Macheda and Welbeck to develop
3 years older than Ronnie instead of younger, throwing away the advantage we got in the first place by buying someone of that age.
Maybe 5 years, with luck, but worth nothing at the end of it.
Have me mistaken but he's a striker Ronaldo is a winger!! Plus he would not be Ronaldo's replacement. How spends big money to make profit, when has that ever worked?
It's another thing our strikers lack and hence i think something we could do with. Especially if we're going with traditional wingers now.
And he's 27. Rather sign a younger one with Berbatov hitting the 30's soon.
Yes but the effect on the age profile of the squad is the same.
United's way over the years has been to spend the big money on young players, and I think it's stood us well.
You have the chance of them going right to the top, like Ronnie or Keano, the chance of having them play for us for 10 years, the chance of a big re-sale value and the sheer joy of watching a young player grow, improve, and become yours (usually!).
I know 27 is borderline as to age, but as I say, the money would be from a selling a 24 year old, so I'm agin it.
True, his age should be a concern given the money he'd cost. Like it should have been with Berbatov.
You have to think that with Ronaldo leaving, Berbatov will be asked to provide more with his large frame aerially. We've seen barely anything of him in terms of getting on the end of crosses. So we can definately improve in-house in that respect.
You have to think that with Ronaldo leaving, Berbatov will be asked to provide more with his large frame aerially. We've seen barely anything of him in terms of getting on the end of crosses. So we can definately improve in-house in that respect.
Also you have to consider why a player like Ronaldo came to England at such a young age. It was so that he could develop and eventually leave to play in another league when he came towards his peak years. And unfortunately that will be the way of a large number of foreign players we might sign. So while we may bring in a 22-24 year old instead of a 27 year old (in this case Villa) but chances are that player, if he's of a similar class to Villa, wont be staying at the club more than 3 or 4 seasons which would be about how many seasons a player at his peak might give us before his standards start to drop. Its just not very likely that we'd be able to sign the likes of a Benzema or Aguero and be able to hang onto them past their peak and into their 30s. After a few years of winning things year after a year they'll be looking to move on for new challenges.
Berbatov's entirely unreliant on his pace, Villa's not.
I wouldn't be surprised if Berbatov stayed at a top club for another 7 years, I'd be surprised if Villa stayed at the top level for another 5 years.
You have a point about pace, but I think the chances are that Berbatov will have left us a good bit before he's 35, and for a nominal fee, if any.
So I agree with Ekeke, he was too much for his age.
Villa would do better without pace than most players though, it's not like his game is mainly about pace. Berbatov is obviously an extreme in this though.
Horse shit. It really is.
Just because pace isnt a strength doesnt mean he doesnt need every last bit of it. He still relies on his pace to be able to compete for loose balls, to create space to receieve a pass, to go in behind the defence now and again to stretch them, etc. and once that pace goes, no matter how much the player has, it'll have a big impact on his game.
See Shevchenko for example - never a player with a good amount of pace, but since he lost a yard of it he's struggled to cope and show even a third of the ability he has. Because even though it wasnt his strength, he still needed every last bit of his pace to compete.
Anyone else think Villa's the most overrated striker in the world?
Possibly, but he's still pretty feckin fantastic.
Clearly a great idea to base an opinion off a single match.
He was shite for Spurs. IMVHO.
Shevechenko was relatively pacey. He also used it a lot more often than Berbatov. He chased down balls, he made runs in behind, he dribbled with the ball at pace. Berbatov rarely does this.
If you're going to make a comparison pace-wise, you'd compare him to Sheringham.
I'm not saying he'll last as long as Sheringham, that takes a massive amount of commitment to optimising your fitness levels, but he'll last long.
Villa relies a lot more on his pace than Berbatov. Not sure why we're even having this argument, besides your anti-Berbatov agenda.
Its not an argument, you're recycling an old favourite re-Berbatov which is rubbish.
Shevchenko was never anything except average speed.
He made his reputation in Italy due to his ability to put the ball into the back of the net once he was on the ball and his ability to finish chances created for him.
When Berbatov loses his pace it'll effect him. He'll play a lot like he plays now, only slower and winning even less loose balls, caught when going through more often, slower to create space for himself, etc. he wont really change his game he'll just become a lot less effective with it. Because he already plays the game of an old player.
Villa will still score goals when his pace goes. He'll adapt his game more to rely more on letting the ball do the running for him and making more use of his passing game more along the lines of Giggs. But we arent talking about a player with no vision and limited ability to play a pass. He'll have to adapt his game more than someone like Berbatov, but losing his pace will impact Berbatov's game as much as any other player because he needs every last bit of it to provide certain aspects of his current game.
Villa losing his pace, he'll still be fast enough to make runs through the middle, to create space quickly and to compete for every ball. He'll just do it at Berbatov's current pace.
Brwned is clearly right. Villa will start to lose his pace in a few years and it will affect him an awful lot more than it will Berbatov.
And Shevchenko was very fast in his early career, I remember watching him play in that really good Kiev side upfront with Rebrov and he was lightening fast. I'm not sure where it all went tbh, he had knee ligament trouble for a while but was never out for a long period of time. He just seemed to age prematurely and couldn't run properly once he got into his late twenties.
And Shevchenko was very fast in his early career, I remember watching him play in that really good Kiev side upfront with Rebrov and he was lightening fast. I'm not sure where it all went tbh, he had knee ligament trouble for a while but was never out for a long period of time. He just seemed to age prematurely and couldn't run properly once he got into his late twenties.
So basically you're saying when Berbatov loses his pace he'll be too slow to do pretty much everything, even though most of his best work is done on the ball and he lets the ball do the work for him, but when Villa loses his pace he'll still be fast enough to get in behind defences?
Berbatov uses his intelligence to get in positions to receive the ball more than he uses his pace. Villa's the opposite.
Will Berbatov losing his pace affect his game more than Villa losing his pace?
You have a flawed sense of logic here.
No, you clearly have a flawed ability to read tonight.
Berbatov will still be able to play the ball around nicely. But everthing else he'll struggle with. Right now there are things where he does pretty much the bare minimum of. Chasing balls, making runs, taking advantage of being 10 yards in front of a defender baring through towards goal etc. He wont be able to even put in a decent effort with these things. And his ability to play the ball around nicely wont make up for that. It'll mean he'll still be useful at certain times, in certain matches, but his overall game will have suffered a lot through the lack of pace. So much so that his passing will be pretty much the only thing he can give the side. A bit like Eidur Gudjohnsen these days.
He struggles with everything else that relies on his physical attributes anyway, so him losing pace won't change that.
He doesn't run behind the defence often, he doesn't chase down players often, he doesn't dribble at pace often...him losing pace won't change that.
Bit like Eider Gudjohnson, except not. More like Teddy Sheringham. You know, that player who won the player of the year award when he was 35.