David Ornstein: Man Utd want to keep Marcus Rashford | Consideration of sale if Rashford wants to take on a new challenge or a substantial bid arrives

Every time rashford plays shit there's a story about one of the following:

A link to some massive club despite him playing shit.

His latest intense training schedule

An off field act of philanthropy

His love for the club


He's a very negative part of the club from the outside
 
I think keeping around dead weight like Rashford, McTom, Sancho, Antony is what keeps this window from being anywhere close to the 10/10 some people have claimed, regardless of whether we get a midfielder.

Seeing these lads languishing here, either barely making an effort, hiding from the ball, or just generally being nowhere near the level a top club should be aspiring to, will naturally have an effect on other players who will possibly see these lads and think that's the standard since they're still here on huge wages. It'll affect morale too seeing players like Rashford being rubbish on £300k while they're on half that.

If we had managed to move at least two of these lads on, I'd feel much better about the squad.
 
Von Mistelroum said:
I think keeping around dead weight like Rashford, McTom, Sancho, Antony is what keeps this window from being anywhere close to the 10/10 some people have claimed, regardless of whether we get a midfielder.

Seeing these lads languishing here, either barely making an effort, hiding from the ball, or just generally being nowhere near the level a top club should be aspiring to, will naturally have an effect on other players who will possibly see these lads and think that's the standard since they're still here on huge wages. It'll affect morale too seeing players like Rashford being rubbish on £300k while they're on half that.

If we had managed to move at least two of these lads on, I'd feel much better about the squad.
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This. So much, this.
 
SER19 said:
Every time rashford plays shit there's a story about one of the following:

A link to some massive club despite him playing shit.

His latest intense training schedule

An off field act of philanthropy

His love for the club


He's a very negative part of the club from the outside
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And this. Spot on.
 
Gives us a great season, stinks out the next. Shows a good/decent game sporadically and half the fanbase sits up and goes “look, that’s a good sign, he’ll come good now”. SAF would have booted him out the door long before.
 
Nonsense article, truth of the matter is that no one wants him, especially not on his wages. See also: Antony, Sancho, etc. The consequences of our shitty transfer and contract negotiations over the last few years.
 
Natener said:
Gives us a great season, stinks out the next. Shows a good/decent game sporadically and half the fanbase sits up and goes “look, that’s a good sign, he’ll come good now”. SAF would have booted him out the door long before.
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If Fergie was his manager, I think he would have gotten the best out of Rashford. Ferguson understood people, that was his biggest trait. Yes, sometimes he's messed up but out of 100s of players, his track record was probably 95%. I would imagine he would have been able to get under his skin in the right way. If he couldn't manage to do that then yeah, he likely would have had him well sold by now.
 
For him personally it might be the best to cut his wages by 50% or more (even if this feels like failure) and take away his „must-start games“ status. Him having had a decent season and everyone at United including us fans having been so desperate led to him being declared our messiah but the harsh fact is he is not a player of that level.
Now whenever he cannot deliver a 350k per week performance the pressure mounts up, we want him sold, some stories appear etc.
While I would say a new challenge would be very positive for him it seems he just wants to stay in his well-known surroundings. As a max 150k player who sometimes starts and sometimes not things would be much more relaxed.
 
Not that I believe there's any truth in that story, but Barcelona would be arguably the worst club he could go to. The pressure on Real and Barca from their fans is insane. Proper, tangible pressure on the players in the stadium. He would not get anything like the leeway he has gotten here from United fans. With Real at least they're winning stuff these days, but Barcelona have been crap so the pressure would be even more intense.
 
Blood Mage said:
Please let him leave. I will celebrate it like a new signing.
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As in! Get mans out the club. He’s not wanted to be a United player for the past couple seasons. His body language is poor and he’s just not that guy when it comes to end product.
 
It's far-fetched to think a top club will spend big money on him. Everything about him is a red flag. His attitude, his application and his ability. Which of those boxes has he come close to ticking over the last two years?

Sure there might be a club that's willing to take a punt, but the profile of that club isn't going to be one with reasonable expectations of challenging for titles any time soon in their domestic league table.

He's not a prospect. He's not one for the future. At nearly 27, you sign based on current ability not on hanging onto some delusion of some kind of dramatic late development coming down the line
 
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Imagine if Chelsea and Barca took Sancho and Marcus off our hands! Surely, neither club is THAT stupid, are they?
 
Von Mistelroum said:
I think keeping around dead weight like Rashford, McTom, Sancho, Antony is what keeps this window from being anywhere close to the 10/10 some people have claimed, regardless of whether we get a midfielder.

Seeing these lads languishing here, either barely making an effort, hiding from the ball, or just generally being nowhere near the level a top club should be aspiring to, will naturally have an effect on other players who will possibly see these lads and think that's the standard since they're still here on huge wages. It'll affect morale too seeing players like Rashford being rubbish on £300k while they're on half that.

If we had managed to move at least two of these lads on, I'd feel much better about the squad.
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I don’t know about 10/10, but the summer window has been good by all realistic measures. How would we ever move those players on given their salaries? If they were worth what we were paying them we’d want to keep them. Saudis are our only hope with this lot.
 
Outside of match day, he is in his comfort zone. A cocoon. Doesn’t want to change or hasn’t the fortitude to make it happen.
 
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Outside of match day, he is in his comfort zone. A cocoon. Doesn’t want to change or hasn’t the fortitude to make it happen.
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Love these posts, like Redcafe posters have intimate knowledge and understanding of our players and their personalities and inner fabric :lol:
 
SER19 said:
Every time rashford plays shit there's a story about one of the following:

A link to some massive club despite him playing shit.

His latest intense training schedule

An off field act of philanthropy

His love for the club


He's a very negative part of the club from the outside
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He got dropped for some game last season and there were stories in the guardian within about 24 hours. That did actually really put me off him because the writer seems to get a lot of info from the club so I've always thought that was deliberate from him/his "camp".
 
Tyrion said:
He got dropped for some game last season and there were stories in the guardian within about 24 hours. That did actually really put me off him because the writer seems to get a lot of info from the club so I've always thought that was deliberate from him/his "camp".
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Interesting. His harshest and most consistent critics were in the Torygraph which is probably a reflection of their political rivalry with the Guardian as well as some knowledge on their part of how Rashford’s PR team operate.

I don't blame him for having the wherewithal to secure the contract he did off United under its previous management. Aside from his crossfield passing, it feels he has added nothing to his game of late. Indeed, he seems to have regressed. His unwillingness to play centrally or switch to the right flank are signs of a limited and selfish player. Fletcher, Hargreaves, Park and, in particular, Rooney were all willing to sacrifice themselves for the greater good of the team. Shaw’s absence is often cited to justify his drop off in form. Why can't Rashford work on his dribbling and left foot such that he can get to the byline and deliver a cross/cut back? Chelsea v City was a borefest but at least Savinho showed he had the pace and skills to go past a man on both flanks.

If Bruno decides to pass on a penalty or two, when a game is won, to help build a player’s confidence I hope this season he chooses Amad, Rasmus or Zirkzee.
 
Tyrion said:
He got dropped for some game last season and there were stories in the guardian within about 24 hours. That did actually really put me off him because the writer seems to get a lot of info from the club so I've always thought that was deliberate from him/his "camp".
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Going back a while ago when everyone was speculating how all these leaks were finding their way into the media from the dressing room, I always suspected him. Seasoned, hardened and cynical footback hacks would suddenly write puff-piece articles that looked as if they'd just slightly reworded a press release from his own PR camp. I've never believed they did so purely because they were awed by his genuis, but rather that they were getting something in return. Even at the time when he was playing some pretty dire football, his name was largely absent from the criticism.

Since then a few have broken cover. To this day, however, the most criticism seems to be along the lines of "there's something not right there" or "clearly he isn't feeling himself". All of which only comes after the writer, reporter or pundit has caveated with the words "obviously he's a top class player and a wonderful talent and his ability isn't in question, but...."

He's so protected by the mainstream set of football journalists that it becomes inplausible to think they're doing so because they think he a brilliant player and a top-class guy. They're doing it because he gives them what they want in return for favourable coverage. Even when favourable coverage becomes difficult to maintain, the level of criticism can be managed. I don't think it's a bad thing at all. Nor do I blame him for wanting to protect his image. It does sometimes though feel as if we're living in some kind of Orwellian alternative universe though. Rashford could come on the pitch and just take a nap in the centre circle for 90 mins and the level of criticism and outrage would be limited to: "Clearly he's a fantastic player and he's achieved so much at United. His ability or skill or dedication isn't in doubt. He's onbviously a top player. Kipping on the pitch shows maybe he's not enjoying himself on the pitch as much as he used to, but he's a fantastic player who will get back to his best any second now"

It's odd to suggest anyone who enjoys that level of protection from the majority of the footballing press, does so without giving them anything in return.
 
Well, there's literally no reason to keep Rashford. Awful last season, zero motivation and I don't see any progress. He played two matches this season and his performance was just as bad as last season. Considering his extremely high wage, INEOS should get rid of him as quickly as possible. A 10 million quid player could be even better.
 
Chelsea haven't signed an attacker for a few days, maybe a cheeky 80m bid and 8 year contract on 300k a we3k would suit all comers
 
I see all of the intense, individual training he’s done during the off-season has done wonders for him.
 
Cheer up. 2 more years and he is due to hit a good run of form for a few months again
 
i really, really want him to snap out of his slumber, but we cant afford to carry him in the meantime. that miss from the right (when he was offside), what on earth was that, one on one and he wanged it 20 yards wide.
 
Guys a passenger and needs to go ASAP.. hopeless today .. v Brighton
 
We’ll never get a “substantial” bid for him. Just hope we don’t renew his contract.
 
So I was thinking about this, how Rashford, barring 2 seasons ago, doesn’t really seemed to have changed, never mind improve, as a player, since he broke onto the scene nearly 10years ago in early 2015.

Now let’s look at some of the players that Rashford has been with in that time:
- Wayne Rooney
- ⁠Falcao
- ⁠Di Maria
- ⁠Alexis Sanchez
- ⁠Zlatan Ibrahimovic
- ⁠Edinson Cavani
- ⁠Cristiano Ronaldo

These are some of THE best players who do what they do; hold the ball up, play others in, beat others with timing and skill, time runs to break line, making the right decisions and finish chances like a motherf*cker, yet he has plateaued at every, single, one of them attributes.

His finishing is fine, his decision making is atrocious, his choice of pass vs shot or pass vs beat a player is woeful, the runs he makes (when he can’t be arsed) are in straight lines without any skill.

It’s as though, with all of the amazing talent that he’s seen EVERY SINGLE DAY in training, and hasn’t learned anything from any of them!

How the feck can this be?
 
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