I think he's proven at West Ham that he's better than Forest. They've only just stayed up. Though I do agree with you in a sense because when looking at the top half of the table, the only team who make sense for him are ironically, West Ham. He would definitely be deserving of one of the clubs who are currently 10th-14th though.
David Moyes Unemployed | European Champion
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I'm sure they'll come out with a statement once Lopetegui signs and it's made official
He would but Bournemouth and Brighton wouldn't hire him and Wolves, Fulham and Palace I think would but only on a short term basis if they were in the shit. Unfortunately due to his age and profile there are barely any clubs that would know take him which is crazy considering how well he's done at West Ham.
Quite bizarre when you think about it. He's well deserving of a top half job based on what he has achieved at West Ham. Though it shows you the importance of style.
Some strange goings-on at West Ham in January during the transfer window but we've seen it a couple of times before with this ownership.
An element of our support get the hump with the style even though we're top 6 at the time; the owners then starve the manager of money, even to the point of selling players off and avoiding reinvestment; the team's form collapses. The rest of the support who've been with manager then go, "okay its time to change" - the owners give the new bloke the money they grabbed in January plus the biggest budget in a three year cycle.
18 months later they sack him and re-hire David Moyes when the club is 17th.
An element of our support get the hump with the style even though we're top 6 at the time; the owners then starve the manager of money, even to the point of selling players off and avoiding reinvestment; the team's form collapses. The rest of the support who've been with manager then go, "okay its time to change" - the owners give the new bloke the money they grabbed in January plus the biggest budget in a three year cycle.
18 months later they sack him and re-hire David Moyes when the club is 17th.
It's weird because last season, in which they won their trophy, they were actually a lot worse.
Moyes has had a better season this year and they've scored plenty more goals. I would probably keep patience with him for at least another season, but oh well.
I just don't think Moyes is the problem at West Ham. They're stingy as hell and to be fair to David Moyes, he's worked wonders both with the budget and the strangely high expectations that come with the West Ham job. I guess that's because they have quite a big fanbase, but based on PL history, they've no divine right to expect more than what Moyes has achieved; which I would say is above most neutral's expectations.
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West Ham sacking Moyes because they're finishing 9th and their football is boring.
I think they want to see if they can break into that next echelon, like Villa or Newcastle did. Their squad isn't really worse than those
This. If they think Moyes has taken them as far as he can, there's nothing wrong with showing a bit of ambition and replacing him with someone who may be able to take them to the next level, even if it's an inherently risky move.
But of course that idea is unfathomable to much of the Caf, since replacing a manager is perceived here to be the biggest sin a club can possibly commit.
How long are we giving it until they reappoint Moyes?
I have no issues with them trying to get to the next level. You do expect a better name than Lopetegui though, otherwise it seems like you're swapping one ok manager with another and hoping for the best.
There's no reason why this couldn't have been said after they were knocked out of the Europa
Fair enough. I don't particularly rate Lopetegui either.
Mutual consent? If his contract is expiring, does his consent even really matter?
Least he waited for the season to be done before announcing he’s leaving. Not like the other gobshite who wanted the half a season media campaign kissing his arse and telling him he’s the best ever.
He does not wish to renew?
But he’s had no structure, injuries galore etc
Ah. So WHU doesn't want to renew him and he doesn't want to renew. And yet some people (like the talking heads on Sky) are acting as if West Ham have committed a grave injustice against Moyes?
I’m sure their next manager will take them to new levels of greatness
West Ham will get relegated next season. What is it with some clubs and owners not bring happy with the success they have?
Moyes delivered their first european trophy in 43 years. Instead of backing him, they bring in a sporting director who differs in philosophy from moyes. Whether moyes was right or wrong with wanting a "british" core in the team, who knows. But the got you a trophy, at least support him for a good few seasons to see what he can build.
Reminds me of when Crystal Palace owners wanted to play more pleasing on the eye football and hired DeBoer. That lasted long didnt it?
Moyes delivered their first european trophy in 43 years. Instead of backing him, they bring in a sporting director who differs in philosophy from moyes. Whether moyes was right or wrong with wanting a "british" core in the team, who knows. But the got you a trophy, at least support him for a good few seasons to see what he can build.
Reminds me of when Crystal Palace owners wanted to play more pleasing on the eye football and hired DeBoer. That lasted long didnt it?
Ambition. I wish our owners have some of that.
Conference league, I know it's a European trophy, but I can't take it seriously. It used to be friendlies, they turned into a cup.
Agreed
Honestly though, why can't more DoFs, instead of insisting on wholesale changes, just make changes to coaching staff? For example, Fergie bringing in Queiroz gave us a steel in Europe we did not have in prior years. Would it really be that hard to go to Moyes and recommend a young assistant who could bring in new ideas that can be implemented in a working framework?
So if a manager wins a trophy, he should have a guaranteed job for life even if it becomes clear he's reached his ceiling?
Yeah maybe they just need to give him another 3-4 years. Is the whole squad 100% all his first choice picks yet?
Don't know about relegated, but would doubt the next manager will end up with a 6th and 7th place finsih with them plus a trophy, however minor, by the time he leaves. That's really good going for West Ham.
What are minimum expectations for Lopetegui? Is it simply playing better football, while finishing 9th? Or must there be league place improvement and better football?
Keep in mind Moyes has finished 6th with this West Ham team.
Keep in mind Moyes has finished 6th with this West Ham team.
wouldn't rule it out after they showed interest in Rangnick and ten Hag. Also Moyes trying to speak German in press conference would be great. Like he tried Spanish at Sociedad.
"I've seen the team train eins, zwei, drei... vier times"
Would Moyes want that?
More like it’s West Ham that has reached its ceiling! Moyes should go back and rebuild Everton. Given the state they are in Moyes is the ideal candidate. He works miracles on small budgets and would be in a supportive rather than an adversarial environment.
The January transfer window was a case of structural dismissal and the way their “sought after” DOF botched a simple transfer by not speaking to the correct agent reeks of either incompetence or, even worse, deliberate sabotage given Moyes had them flying high at the time. They literally had their best start to a season and choose to dismantle their squad mid season.
He's old school. So probably not.
West Ham have got rid of a loyal servant and replaced him with a guy who stabbed his country in the back. They also are led by a DOF who has already been touting himself around for other jobs after less than a season in his current role.
What price loyalty these days
What price loyalty these days
...it's West Ham. West Ham won a European trophy. West Ham. Getting rid of him is just absolutely mind blowing to me. Really bizarre decision.
Nearly 20 years behind SAF. Figures.
if we end up in that competition and win it, we wont be complaining.
Yeah, Lopetegui feels uninspired
Also i've taken a look at their squad and they need a brand new defence if they want to challenge for CL. I was wrong in my assesment re: Villa/Newcastle
Thats a really good point, fergie used to bring in new staff and fresh ideas regularly.
Personally i think the owners are the issue. Be happy with the success your club has. Champions League riches i suspect is what they want. After all if Villa can qualify for the competition, why cant we? Or some sort of bollocks like that.