Agree with all this. Moyes doesn't seem to have enough about him at the moment, he looks a man with no bollocks to me. It'll be interesting to see how ruthless he's prepared to be in the summer, but as of now he just appears too timid, exactly like you said. He's not a big enough character for the job.
David Moyes - The Tactician
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MEN saying Fellani might be play on Wed. So it will be interesting to see if we see yet more crosses.
Do you genuinely see us playing any other way?
1.RAWK is a top football forum with many articulate contributors who support their team through thick and thin. So I take that as a compliment.
2.Many of our fans have been complaining about lack of creativity in our side. Yesterday we had Young, Rooney, Mata and RVP playing and we created 81 goal scoring opportunities. We were unlucky not to win. Fulham played like Chelsea at the Camp Nou in 2012. Rene even admitted their only game plan was to try and contain us.
3. You're welcome.
Are we really counting hopeful punts into the box as 'goal scoring opportunities' now? I know crosses count as chances created, but it was a 1/80 chance of scoring a goal from crosses in that match. We scored one goal out of 81 crosses. Crosses also don't count as 'creativity'. If anything, it shows a lack of creativity.
Hi David. You forgot to add on the times we reached the byline, making it more than 81!
It's all about context. In certain games, managing to spread the play and finding crosses is effective and may stem from some good build up play, and may show some form of creativity to stretch the oppo lines for examples. But yesterday's game, by no stretch of the imagination could you think we were being creative. Fulham were very happy to let us cross and deal with the high balls in the box, we played into their hand. Very poor.
Sir Alex probably told him he needs to get back to basics, which to him meant pumping the ball into the box like a Sunday League side.
Good post.
Getting to the byline allowed our wingers to put the ball on a platter 81 times for our strikers. Unfortunately our strikers who are still finding form and fitness after injury weren't able to react quickly enough. However that should improve with more game time. It's pleasing to see Mata has adapted to our crossing game. It's different to how he played at Chelsea and Valencia but like a true world class footballer he is now playing the United way. With time he will be able to pick up RVP with longballs like Beckham used to with Andy Cole and later RVN.
Wum.
Ah, it's like a game eh! The title is: Taking the Champions down 101
Why, is Fellaini a good crosser of the ball?
I think he might mean that Fellaini would do whatever he was told to do by the tactician
Thanks. Good post.
I do remember watching Everton a few times last season and commending your positive play. Obviously Martinez has taken this to another level.
But it does show that Moyes is not just a "spread it wide and cross" merchant. I just don't know why he's not trying anything different here.
Infact as the season has progressed and results gotten worse, it seems he is becoming even more rigid and one dimensional with his setup.
mic is on a roll.
Other than Rooney, who do we have who is better than average in the air who is likely to be within 80 yards of the opposition penalty area at any given time? If we were full of huge so and sos or we had plenty in the side who were a threat aerially then at least there'd be a partial (though not complete) justification for using crossing as our main (sole) attacking outlet. But we don't in fact we're probably one of the poorest 'big' teams there are when it comes to that kind of thing.
Ham, by the looks of it
My observation so far with Moyes is that he is putting too much emphasis on physical fitness and nowhere near enough emphasis on technical skill, The players just look exhausted after the first 15 minutes in each game........Roy Keane made a similar mistake at Sunderland by thinking you can just train twice as hard as everyone else and in that way you should be twice as good as everyone else.....it's old school mentality
Also Moyes is obviously putting way too much emphasis on crossing the ball from the wing as opposed to playing quick smart attacking passes through the middle like all other major clubs do these days simply because he has no experience of managing a team in a way that encourages them to attack with quick smart passes through the middle....we most certainly have good enough players to at least play this way against weaker teams.....
The conclusion you would have to come to with all of this is that Moyes is so deeply out of his depth that he might need inflatable arm-bands on his arms on the touchline soon......It's amazing that having Fergie's experience beside him still can not inspire him to at least at times play something other than dinosaur football
I honestly think the only thing that can save Moyes over teh summer when we finish mid table is to get on the phone to someone like Carlos Queiroz and beg him to come back and install a few innovative ideas into the training and tactical methods. Without someone like that beside taking over the training sessions and influencing the tactics then Moyes just has not got a hope.
I'm quite amazed how shockingly stunningly awful Moyes has been in terms of tactics etc....I mean we would have got more exciting hoofball football had we appointed Trapattoni as manager.......I would see Moyes sacked in a heartbeat if Klopp or someone became available over the summer as I think Moyes has done enough to merit the sack so far but of course he can turn it around but only if he appoints a modern trainer who gets the team playing in a more interesting way and where they don't look exhausted even before a ball has been kicked on match days.
Also Moyes is obviously putting way too much emphasis on crossing the ball from the wing as opposed to playing quick smart attacking passes through the middle like all other major clubs do these days simply because he has no experience of managing a team in a way that encourages them to attack with quick smart passes through the middle....we most certainly have good enough players to at least play this way against weaker teams.....
The conclusion you would have to come to with all of this is that Moyes is so deeply out of his depth that he might need inflatable arm-bands on his arms on the touchline soon......It's amazing that having Fergie's experience beside him still can not inspire him to at least at times play something other than dinosaur football
I honestly think the only thing that can save Moyes over teh summer when we finish mid table is to get on the phone to someone like Carlos Queiroz and beg him to come back and install a few innovative ideas into the training and tactical methods. Without someone like that beside taking over the training sessions and influencing the tactics then Moyes just has not got a hope.
I'm quite amazed how shockingly stunningly awful Moyes has been in terms of tactics etc....I mean we would have got more exciting hoofball football had we appointed Trapattoni as manager.......I would see Moyes sacked in a heartbeat if Klopp or someone became available over the summer as I think Moyes has done enough to merit the sack so far but of course he can turn it around but only if he appoints a modern trainer who gets the team playing in a more interesting way and where they don't look exhausted even before a ball has been kicked on match days.
It's truly bizarre as our second half against Swansea in the Premier League showed that we are capabale of playing with greater variation going forward. I remember we pretty much ignored Valencia on the right with the likes of Kagawa and Januzaj enjoying more of the ball in central areas. Made for some, dare I say it, exciting football. Feels like Moyes doesn't realise that 45 minutes even occurred.
It is strange that Moyes' Everton beat us last season with Osman and Pienaar tucked in off the wings with Baines and Coleman providing all of the width, yet he's been incredibly reluctant to do anything close to that at United. Maybe he just doesn't rate the fullbacks.
He has tried Kagawa on the left or Januzaj on the right in his usual asymmetric system a few times this season, for whatever reason it didn't really work. But it's still baffling he's persisted with the current game plan.
He's a tactical dinosaur. He doesn't seem to allow the forwards any reasonable flexibility. For goodness' sake, can he really not trust the likes of Rooney, Mata, Januzaj. Kagawa to interchange up front?
I think Moyes has taken that 'crossing in our DNA' to new levels. Yes we were always reliant on wingers but not solely. It was probably our most effective weapon but it was part of an array of several tools. Now we are one track minded and using only one route all the time like a noob in a Smash Bros video game spamming the same move over and over again hence very predictable.
Good post!
Moyes' tactics last night was shambolic - reminiscent of when I started playing FIFA. my only hope of scoring then was to pass to the wingers and cross into the box. I could not tread passes in the middle & get any sort of accuracy or creativity.
81 crosses in one game is just a disgrace. If Moyes had any atom of decorum in him, he should have resigned himself this morning. Playing the 20th team on the table like a coward is the new low. Watch this clip & laugh...
Christ Brunt would be an effective player for us, that's the level Moyes has us at.
Maybe we ought to replace Van Persie with Carroll as well..
Maybe this will all look like some genius tactical masterstroke when he inevitably sticks Fellaini up behind the striker and all the crosses magically land on his chest as he flicks it on for RvP?
No but he is better suited to knocking down crosses for RVP.
God forbid we go down that road.
It might be the only way to make Moyes game plan work.
That would be truly depressing. Yeh, let's stick the big fella up front as a target man. Really innovative. I know you're speaking with your tongue in your cheek but I wouldn't be surprised to see it happen.
People who try to argue we were unlucky talk about how dominant we were against Fulham and how many crosses we had which shows how much control over the game we really had even though the vast majority of them were
unsuccessful. What they are forgetting is that crosses are a very random roll the dice method of attacking with certainty.
Crossing in essence can go wrong at many stages, and even if someone manages to put a ball right on the money through a crowd of opposition defenders (which is EXTREMELY hard to do if the opposition has packed the box as Fulham did) then there is always the possibility of the striker being put off balance by a late challenge from a defender or for some other small factor going wrong. Its antiquated and out dated, crossing into a crowded penalty area just does not work, if there is a free man then by all means whip it in for him if he has the space to finish it but its just so random.
I do think that the only way we can sanction the crossing game is when we see Evra style crosses, where he overlaps the winger and gets right in behind and waits till the right moment to cut the ball back behind the defenders waiting in the six yard box to a united player arriving late to finish it off. Valencia unfortunately tries these crosses at all the wrong times and hits defender after defender so it cant be used all the time.
If there is no option for the drilled cross or an opening for someone to actually get a head on the ball relatively unchallenged then you obviously put your foot on it, turn and look to start again. Anyone whos played football knows that, if the chance isnt there you dont just sling it in and hope for the best as its an extremely amateurish way of playing....you slow down, take stock and look to retain the ball. This is unfortunately something our players are struggling with at the moment.
unsuccessful. What they are forgetting is that crosses are a very random roll the dice method of attacking with certainty.
Crossing in essence can go wrong at many stages, and even if someone manages to put a ball right on the money through a crowd of opposition defenders (which is EXTREMELY hard to do if the opposition has packed the box as Fulham did) then there is always the possibility of the striker being put off balance by a late challenge from a defender or for some other small factor going wrong. Its antiquated and out dated, crossing into a crowded penalty area just does not work, if there is a free man then by all means whip it in for him if he has the space to finish it but its just so random.
I do think that the only way we can sanction the crossing game is when we see Evra style crosses, where he overlaps the winger and gets right in behind and waits till the right moment to cut the ball back behind the defenders waiting in the six yard box to a united player arriving late to finish it off. Valencia unfortunately tries these crosses at all the wrong times and hits defender after defender so it cant be used all the time.
If there is no option for the drilled cross or an opening for someone to actually get a head on the ball relatively unchallenged then you obviously put your foot on it, turn and look to start again. Anyone whos played football knows that, if the chance isnt there you dont just sling it in and hope for the best as its an extremely amateurish way of playing....you slow down, take stock and look to retain the ball. This is unfortunately something our players are struggling with at the moment.
The words 'Moyes' and 'Tactician' should never go in the same sentence together ever again, unless seperated by the words 'Isn't and 'a'.
He's as inept as they come.
He's as inept as they come.
God, it's mesmerizing to watch!
It's the stupidest thing I've seen since the Bébé crossing show.