Yeah, so Romero against Southampton and Joel Pereira makes his full debut at Old Trafford.
David De Gea
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Yeah, so Romero against Southampton and Joel Pereira makes his full debut at Old Trafford.
He isn't going to leave before the europa league final is he.
Yes, you are right. I mentioned it that RM won't match DDG's wage. As far as the proof is concerned, I guess we already know how badly RM need DDG by how they acted during the transfer window 2 seasons back. They kept dilly dallying and expected a cut price deal from us and at that time the reported wage offered to DDG was significantly lower than 200k.
In fact DDG is the highest paid keeper in the world so my claim is not entire unsubstantiated.
EDIT: I finally did the research. Apart from Bale and Ronaldo, the next highest earner at RM is Kroos at 160k per week. What makes you think they will suddenly pay 200k for a GK who they don't need desperately?
Yes, they dilly dallied to get a cut price, that's economic sense and has nothing to do with how willing they are to pay him a top wage. I don't know how serious they are about getting him btw, maybe they don't want him but I agree with whoever it was that said that wages wouldn't be a problem if they do want de Gea.
Your research is wrong btw, kroos is on 10mil net or something like that. Real are comfortably the club with the highest wage bill in football.
While I agree that De Gea is one of the best keepers in the world and I'd hate if he left, dropping Romero for the final after he played all the matches in getting us there would be harsh. There were other matches in the run up that were important too, yet Romero played and we got through. As someone mentioned, I'm sure De Gea has known for quite a while that Romero will play in all the Europa League matches, including the final. The media just love situations like this and try to create stories that sell papers or generate clicks, whether they are true or not.
Funny thing is that you saying my research is wrong makes it wrong
. Also it's easy to say that someone's facts are "wrong". Please substantiate with something more that "something like that". A link would help.EDIT: Also you being a pretty old member here, I would expect more sensibility from you. Don't jump into proving other people wrong. Here is the link that tells you who has the highest wage bill in the world - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...League-player-s-salary-reaches-2-4m-year.html
Not sure how that's relevant when I mentioned football teams. Funnily enough, you aren't entirely wrong. It's actually Barca that's top.
Funny thing is that you saying my research is wrong makes it wrong
EDIT: Also you being a pretty old member here, I would expect more sensibility from you. Don't jump into proving other people wrong. Here is the link that tells you who has the highest wage bill in the world - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...League-player-s-salary-reaches-2-4m-year.html
Such arrogance and then you produce a 7 month old daily mail link
Go and read the uefa report on club wages, they released it couple of months back. Just Google it, you don't need me to provide a link.
Funny thing is that you saying my research is wrong makes it wrong
EDIT: Also you being a pretty old member here, I would expect more sensibility from you. Don't jump into proving other people wrong. Here is the link that tells you who has the highest wage bill in the world - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...League-player-s-salary-reaches-2-4m-year.html
You do know that link doesn't even make any sense right? ManUtd publish overall club wages which includes 100s of staff, then no one is even sure how many players we have on our payroll which includes so many young players and coaches.
I claimed that Kroos is the next highest earner at RM after Bale and Ronaldo who are on astronomical wages. Where in that report does it contradict that?Not sure how that's relevant when I mentioned football teams. Funnily enough, you aren't entirely wrong. It's actually Barca that's top.
Such arrogance and then you produce a 7 month old daily mail link
Go and read the uefa report on club wages, they released it couple of months back. Just Google it, you don't need me to provide a link.
The point isn't which club spends the most on wages. It is how they are distributed and whether RM will (or can) make a GK who isn't a galactico signing their third highest earner ahead of Modric and Kroos.
Agreed, doesn't make sense. Let's get back to the topic on whether RM will go the distance to sign DDG. We are talking about upwards of 65m in transfer money and 200k wages.
Yes it would be harsh - but not playing one of the best keepers in the world - in the most important game of our season, is madness as far as I'm concerned.
Being harsh isn't something that usually bothers Mourinho.
The report is in response to your Here is dailymail link from 7 months back which proves Utd have the highest wage bill post. You're wrong.
Re player wages, you could be making the mistake of seeing wages after tax as it's common to report in Spain and confusing them with pre tax ones the way they're reported in England. Either ways, don't hold your breath for me to search the net from work and provide you a link. 165k for Kroos sounds about right btw, just that it'd be post tax. If you still haven't got a link in an hours time, I'll provide you one when I get off from work.
This sage is so thin on actual news it's surprising we have anything to actually talk about.
DDG never comments to the media, so the rags get nothing from him. Plus United are saying nowt so the only articles are from Balague and a non-story about Romero starting in the final!
A 'final' every pundit and newspaper have pointed out is for a nothing cup and the only real achievement is Top 4. So if it is a second rate competition why would DDG care about it.
The whole story adds up to nothing much at all.
DDG never comments to the media, so the rags get nothing from him. Plus United are saying nowt so the only articles are from Balague and a non-story about Romero starting in the final!
A 'final' every pundit and newspaper have pointed out is for a nothing cup and the only real achievement is Top 4. So if it is a second rate competition why would DDG care about it.
The whole story adds up to nothing much at all.
Here's the link to the report. Page 92. Somewhat better data than reading the Daily Mail. Bear in mind the data is from 15/16
http://www.uefa.org/MultimediaFiles...aorg/Finance/02/42/27/91/2422791_DOWNLOAD.pdf
Barcelona is nr. 1 followed by Madrid. We are number 5. Granted the data doesn't take into account the last couple of years and I imagine that Zlatan and Pogba have probably pushed us ahead and it wouldn't surprise me if we're close to or top of the pile next time they do this exercise.
Besides the clubs involved, what I think is most interesting is looking at the percentage of total revenue dedicated to players wages. Real and United dedicate roughly the same, while the likes of Barsa, Chelsea and City (plus the Italian clubs) dedicate much more to wages. Food for thought
I think this discussion has gotten out of hand to my original point which was some fans here in the CAF have this deluded idea that we can outspend other clubs ad nauseam. My only point was that other clubs pay good wages too, and that I don't think wages will keep DDG out of Madrid. It will be the selling price.
And De Gea never gets a final game to say goodbye. It's shit the way we're treating him after everything he's done.
What if it isn't the last game?
So in light of us not having to sell, that he is a world class keeper, that he's young and that Real have bullied us in the transfer market what do people actually think is an acceptable fee for Dave?
Should be a world record fee, seriously. They would be getting the worlds best GK for the next decade. In reality he'll go for around £55m I reckon.
To be honest I'd take Morata and James for De Gea. Not that those type of swap deals happen.
if he is leaving...feck him
When you consider that Buffon went from Parma to Juve for £32m in 2001, with inflation etc, a true value would be somewhere like £80-£100m. Madrid would be shoring up the GK position for a decade or more with arguably the best keeper in the world at the moment. I bet Juve fans aren't saying Buffon has been bad value despite the astronomical (at the time) fee.
If he does go then realistically think we'd get £50m or so. Maybe with Jose, he may be able to squeeze some more out of them, as he always seemed to get top dollar for players who left Chelsea.
What exactly has he done? Apart from doing his job that he is paid for, in fact he might be the highest paid GK in the world. He already wanted to leave in 2015 and only didn't go because Madrid didn't want him as much as he wanted them. If he still wants to go which looks like the case why should we still kiss his ass? I want him to stay don't get me wrong but if he wants to go feck him let him go. Fans hate Rooney because he wanted to leave, do the same rules not apply to de gea.
Wouldnt exactly blame him too much for wanting to go... we've been shit for the last 4 seasons while the club that has been chasing him has won the champions league twice and in the final for the 3rd time in those 4 seasons, along with being from his home town. Its a wonder hes stayed this long as it is, with us struggling for any consistent form.
Slightly different situation though isn't it? DDG is from Madrid and has given us a good few years of excellent service during which time we have mostly been shit. Rooney was just out to get a bigger paycheck...
Yeah the motives may be different but at the end of the day he wants to leave our club. If he loved the club the same way as the fans love him he wouldn't leave. I'm fed up with his bullshit every couple years rumours and he does nothing to squash them. I want him to stay but part of me just thinks feck him let him go if his hearts not here. And I am with mourinho if he wants to go and mourinho thinks Romero is the right person to start the europa league final then feck what de gea thinks he's gone anyway
If you are getting to the technicalities and it is more important to prove others wrong than take a discussion forward then you are WRONG too. You claimed that RM were the "comfortably" highest wage spenders when in reality it is Barca.
Also, both DDGs and Kroos wages are post tax. DDG currently earns 200k post tax and Kroos is on 165k post tax so it is a big change for RM if suddenly the GK becomes the highest paid after Ronaldo and Bale. It is definitely not a normal thing for sure. They definitely would want him desperately if they want to break that structure for him and nothing we have seen till now confirms that.
I agree. I do worry that they'll again not just get our best player over the last 4 years but also get him for a modest price. I'd much rather keep him even if the money would be crazy, but let's be honest, 80m for Ronnie was a piss take and many on here knew that at the time. 50-60m for de Gea is pretty meagre.
The only way this can be cushioned is with part-exchange for an actual good player, not a benchwarmer.
I pretty much agree with all of that (although wouldn't be quite so harsh!). It was just the Rooney comparison that I had an issue with.
It's not "technicality" to compare the wages of 2 footballers, one pre tax and one after tax. Don't be obtuse. Again, de Gea's 200k/week is pre tax, Kroos's 165k is post tax. Also, I already corrected myself and said barca are top. So you can take the bolding nonsense elsewhere. And as, I'm done with this, if you believe wages will stop Real from taking de Gea, power to you.
We're in 2017.
I'm actually amazed at people refusing to Google something so simple rather than making post after post with such conviction about something they're not updated/aware about.
I don't think we'll sell on the cheap at all. We don't want to sell, we're loaded and don't need the cash, Real are fully capable of paying top dollar, de Gea has a contract with us. Unless there's a Real Madrid clause in there, we'll get good money even if he moves.
I think Jose is handling this well, If he goes then good luck but he stays he becomes a Legend of the future. I think it will be resolved sooner this year, with 60 million accepted if he wants to go.
Why are people so quick to believe these silly stories every summer? He's under contract, we don't need the money. He's worth way more to us than they'd consider paying. Madrid are trying to unsettle him like they always do, but we're not a selling club so it won't work.
The idea that Mourinho somehow doesn't like/rate De Gea so wouldn't mind selling is absolutely ridiculous. He's our best player and Jose is no mug.
The idea that Mourinho somehow doesn't like/rate De Gea so wouldn't mind selling is absolutely ridiculous. He's our best player and Jose is no mug.
100+m He's world class, arguably the best keeper in the world and is still really young. Time for us to go crazy on the asking price.
Still hope its just the usual rumblings and we keep him for another year as we will need stability at the back in order to move on with the rest of the teams improvements.
Still hope its just the usual rumblings and we keep him for another year as we will need stability at the back in order to move on with the rest of the teams improvements.
I think this time he is a goner. With the way he is treated in last month, i think he is not committed enough for mourinho.
Ballbag and his constant digs. Sad fecker.
Been player of the year multiple seasons, gave us years of good service, could easily have moved on to a bigger team, having left Atletico who went onto be one of the best teams in Europe. Rooney was playing poor on both occasions (and before you say De Gea hasn't been that good) he won GK of the year. While we have been struggling to even make the CL, De Gea could be winning CL with clubs like Barcelona or Real Madrid, instead of Navas, Barca's German keeper. Now the reason we had to make him so highly paid is because he is one of the worlds best, playing for a substandard team, similar to why we had to pay Pogba so high. Thats how you get to sign/keep them.
I certainly would not hate De Gea. Do you hate Ronaldo? he left when we were on top. De Gea will leave while we are nowhere
It really is hilarious how bitter he is. What has United ever done to him, he's got a vendetta against them for some reason.
I think De Gea will leave at the end of the season. Shame we'll never see him play again by the looks of it! Tonight's game vs Saints was the only game was going to get a start.
GK are not and will never be as important or costly as goalscorers. 100mill is absurd