David De Gea

How can we be sure Donarumma wouldn't push for a transfer to Madrid once he's fully developed?
Personally I want us to sign an established player be it a GK or an outfield player. I'd suggest we stay away form Portuguese/Spanish speaking players any way because Real Madrid seems to suddenly become their "dream club" once they turn 26.
 
Zelalem said:
How can we be sure Donarumma wouldn't push for a transfer to Madrid once he's fully developed?
Personally I want us to sign an established player be it a GK or an outfield player. I'd suggest we stay away form Portuguese/Spanish speaking players any way because Real Madrid seems to suddenly become their "dream club" once they turn 26.
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And Italian? And we can't ever be sure about anyone definitively. The idea is to get back to being one of the best clubs in the world, and chances are less no. of players will be likely to push for a move.
 
Why do Chelsea and City always seem to get away with their players not demanding moves away? Courtois coming out and vetoing the talk of a move to Madrid, just like that. No "only god knows" nonsense, just nipping it in the bud.

Aguero and Silva could have played for Barca or Real but neither were interested, it's pretty annoying. I can definitely see why some don't want us to sign another Pique who's going to want to go back home the minute they come calling for him.
 
Why are poeple so pessimistic all of the sudden? As far as I can see, apart from one outlet, there hadn't been anything regarding his future and yet the general tone of this thread is that as if he has already moved.
 
2 Man Midfield said:
Why do Chelsea and City always seem to get away with their players not demanding moves away? Courtois coming out and vetoing the talk of a move to Madrid, just like that. No "only god knows" nonsense, just nipping it in the bud.

Aguero and Silva could have played for Barca or Real but neither were interested, it's pretty annoying. I can definitely see why some don't want us to sign another Pique who's going to want to go back home the minute they come calling for him.
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Courtois wanted to move but it didn't happen. There were reports that he wanted to move to Atletico Madird or Real Madrid. Everytime when he played for Belgium he made controversial interviews, this is the first time he made a statement that will make Chelsea fans happy.

Diego Costa said in an interview that he did everything to move to Atletico Madrid but he was disappointed that they didn't wait long for him, then he went back to Conte with his tail between his legs. He won't repeat it again this summer.
 
Tbh I am getting bored of this and as much as I love him as a keeper its just going to roll on and on. This is the problem with buying Spanish players imo theres always that danger of Real/Barca calling them home. Get as much as we can from RM or use DDG as leverage for Bale or Kroos.
 
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Man of Leisure said:
In sorta weird way, I'd be more upset if he left now than he did before in our last go-around. Especially if we qualify for CL. Back then, our team was shite and there was no evidence that things were turning around. At least now, you can see that Jose has turned things around and we'll be title contenders again, sooner rather than later. Disappointing to see our best player for the past several seasons leave while still in his prime.
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I'd be looking at it purely on a human-level. I don't think De Gea is unhappy in Manchester, but his desire to return to his home city, with his long term partner is entirely fair. He's given us 6 years of service and in that time has become the best goalkeeper on the planet, helped us win multiple titles and embraced Manchester as a city + he kept his counsel last summer.

If De Gea wants to return home, the club should honour that wish.
 
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prtk0811 said:
The so called release clause have expired last year and there were reports of that, its insane to think that we are so bad in buisness if that's still there. It may be insane for a keeper but we should not care and become trend setters now. If buffon was 53 m euros 16 years earlier it should be double of that specially in current inflated market and its not insane as he is genuine quality.The Quality is worth 100 m euros including performance based add ones and atleast 85 m euros up front. If not madrid will have it easy and laugh off our market competitive ness again like in ronaldo's case.

How do you think daniel levy managed to get 86 m pounds for bale or we payed 89 m for pogba when they are no where near the ronaldo or scholes schweinsteiger zidane quality? You dont pay for the quality of the player these days you pay for overall financial package. De gea being the spain no 1 and best keeper in the world is for sure 100 m including add ones .

You know donnarumma in this market will cost upto 40m for sure

We are also at fault of developing players who dream to go back to their country as we are scouting in the wrong market. Chelsea is better at the transfer market and scouting talents than us . Also i strongly feel perez is a racist and only signs boy toys.
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You're right about what Dave should cost, especially when you think that Lloris will cost 40/50M, Donnaruma the same or Oblak 50M

I just say that history showed us that when Madrid wants a player they basically get him.

Ronaldo for 80M, when we should asked more, Becks for nothing, Ruud and now De Gea.

They overpaid Bale, but won two Champions League with him.

De Gea, is just a whim for Perez as he wants the Spanish top keeper. But don't be subjective, De Gea also wants to go home so it's everything agsint us
 
2 Man Midfield said:
Aguero and Silva could have played for Barca or Real but neither were interested, it's pretty annoying
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I don't recall barcelona being seriously interested in either guy. Aguero was very interested in playing for us, but he was an atletico player so it was impossible. Silva we were also interested in in 2012, but city were in a position of strength

To my knowledge, you only ever had 2 players who wanted to leave you for us. Cristiano and De Gea(3 with pique, another special case)

You guys haven't gotten over cristiano ronaldo, but that really was a special case. For starters, he won everything with you before he decided he wanted to come to madrid. Plus his mother wanted him closer to home and his mum has always been the most important person in his life

De Gea wanted to come two summers ago because of his bird. Have you heard him or his agent or his bird say anything about wanting to move to madrid over the last year?
 
giorno said:
I don't recall barcelona being seriously interested in either guy. Aguero was very interested in playing for us, but he was an atletico player so it was impossible. Silva we were also interested in in 2012, but city were in a position of strength

To my knowledge, you only ever had 2 players who wanted to leave you for us. Cristiano and De Gea

You guys haven't gotten over cristiano ronaldo, but that really was a special case. For starters, he won everything with you before he decided he wanted to come to madrid. Plus his mother wanted him closer to home and his mum has always been the most important person in his life

De Gea wanted to come two summers ago because of his bird. Have you heard him or his agent or his bird say anything about wanting to move to madrid over the last year?
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You suggesting it's unlikely he's moving to you lot now? I still think he'll want to move closer to Edurne as they both ain't getting any younger.
 
Womp said:
You suggesting it's unlikely he's moving to you lot now? I still think he'll want to move closer to Edurne as they both ain't getting any younger.
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I don't think he's going to force a move, no

Chaky_Best said:
Ronaldo for 80M, when we should asked more, Becks for nothing, Ruud and now De Gea.
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Cristiano was 2009, beckham and ruud, you sold them to us, not the other way around
 
Ramshock said:
I think we should prepare to let him go if not this summer then next.
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This, once he agreed to the terms of his new contract I always felt it was just a holding contract until Real decided to come back for him.

We have more to offer than any club in monetary terms but there's things that Real Madrid can offer that we can't buy, it being his home city, the climate, Champions League every season and the history of European success.
 
ManUchosenbosslvg said:
This, once he agreed to the terms of his new contract I always felt it was just a holding contract until Real decided to come back for him.

We have more to offer than any club in monetary terms but there's things that Real Madrid can offer that we can't buy, it being his home city, the climate, Champions League every season and the history of European success.
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The problem is replacing him. Hopefully someone who has no draw to Spain.
 
Ramshock said:
The problem is replacing him. Hopefully someone who has no draw to Spain.
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I'm going to say it quietly but it may well be Jack Butland if his return from injury continues successfully. He was getting right up there amongst the best in the league before that bad injury.
 
ManUchosenbosslvg said:
I'm going to say it quietly but it may well be Jack Butland if his return from injury continues successfully. He was getting right up there amongst the best in the league before that bad injury.
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Butland was getting better and better before his injury. Real shame that it was such a nasty one, but if he can continue to improve, then he's certainly a contender, and I'd like to see us have an English goalkeeper (if DDG really does have to leave), so long as they are good enough.

He looked nailed on to be the #1 for the NT before the injury. He's definitely got more to his game than Hart, and whilst I do like Forster, he's still got too many errors in his game.
 
ManUchosenbosslvg said:
I'm going to say it quietly but it may well be Jack Butland if his return from injury continues successfully. He was getting right up there amongst the best in the league before that bad injury.
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If we lose De Gea then he is my first choice. He was having a great season before his injury and like De Gea his reflexes was amazing.
 
Jacko21 said:
I'd be looking at it purely on a human-level. I don't think De Gea is unhappy in Manchester, but his desire to return to his home city, with his long term partner is entirely fair. He's given us 6 years of service and in that time has become the best goalkeeper on the planet, helped us win multiple titles and embraced Manchester as a city + he kept his counsel last summer.

If De Gea wants to return home, the club should honour that wish.
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This is the sort of mentality we have to sort out to reach our former heights. Leave that to de gea's agent. We need to care for the club. We need to push a strong messege across to de ge a and madrid and make a statement . Put up or shut up is the messege .
 
Hate to be that guy but...

We have a Spanish guy covering at work currently. He's from Madrid and shares acquaintances with DDG. He's a adamant that DDG wants to move to Real as he sees it as a challenge (specifically becoming a fan favourite). DDG is well aware that an Athletico player (current or former) moving to Real isn't well received in the capital but he doesn't care. If he's willing to be so callous to his boyhood club he isn't going to show us any loyalty if Real come calling again.
 
Chaky_Best said:
You're right about what Dave should cost, especially when you think that Lloris will cost 40/50M, Donnaruma the same or Oblak 50M

I just say that history showed us that when Madrid wants a player they basically get him.

Ronaldo for 80M, when we should asked more, Becks for nothing, Ruud and now De Gea.

They overpaid Bale, but won two Champions League with him.

De Gea, is just a whim for Perez as he wants the Spanish top keeper. But don't be subjective, De Gea also wants to go home so it's everything agsint us
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Every thing is with us its not against us provided we qualify for ucl and win the europa league. If madrid wants they have to put up or shut up. We have our own champions league ambitions and we must make sure we get what we need to pursue them. If madrid wins the ucl with de gea than it calls for a performance related bonus for us in the deal. Spanish no 1 and best keeper in the world has a price when it comes to the man utd no 1 and we must punch above our weight to get the best deal possible. Even bale and pogba wanted to move but it does not happen without paying the market price .

By the way becks and Rudd were fair pricing back then for the players we wanted to get rid off because we had better.
 
b82REZ said:
Hate to be that guy but...

We have a Spanish guy covering at work currently. He's from Madrid and shares acquaintances with DDG. He's a adamant that DDG wants to move to Real as he sees it as a challenge (specifically becoming a fan favourite). DDG is well aware that an Athletico player (current or former) moving to Real isn't well received in the capital but he doesn't care. If he's willing to be so callous to his boyhood club he isn't going to show us any loyalty if Real come calling again.
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Leave that on Mourinho who knows madrid in and out.
 
b82REZ said:
Hate to be that guy but...

We have a Spanish guy covering at work currently. He's from Madrid and shares acquaintances with DDG. He's a adamant that DDG wants to move to Real as he sees it as a challenge (specifically becoming a fan favourite). DDG is well aware that an Athletico player (current or former) moving to Real isn't well received in the capital but he doesn't care. If he's willing to be so callous to his boyhood club he isn't going to show us any loyalty if Real come calling again.
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Hate to be that guy but smells strongly of bullshit.
 
b82REZ said:
Hate to be that guy but...

We have a Spanish guy covering at work currently. He's from Madrid and shares acquaintances with DDG. He's a adamant that DDG wants to move to Real as he sees it as a challenge (specifically becoming a fan favourite). DDG is well aware that an Athletico player (current or former) moving to Real isn't well received in the capital but he doesn't care. If he's willing to be so callous to his boyhood club he isn't going to show us any loyalty if Real come calling again.
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I heard paddy power stopped taking bets based on this cast iron info. I mean it doesn't get any more legit than 3rd hand claims from the Spanish work intern
 
b82REZ said:
Hate to be that guy but...

We have a Spanish guy covering at work currently. He's from Madrid and shares acquaintances with DDG. He's a adamant that DDG wants to move to Real as he sees it as a challenge (specifically becoming a fan favourite). DDG is well aware that an Athletico player (current or former) moving to Real isn't well received in the capital but he doesn't care. If he's willing to be so callous to his boyhood club he isn't going to show us any loyalty if Real come calling again.
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Maybe the Spanish guy should know its Atletico and not Athletico
 
Are you really still banging this drum?

There is NO move by Real to buy DDG, NONE. They have not made contact. They have not made a bid. There is nothing only some spanish rag and a sky spanish pundit short of a story to print surrounding the failings of Real's current keeper Navas

Last weekend they wanted Kasper Schmeichel to replace Navas. Two weeks earlier is was DDG and Courtois. All kite flying.

Jose will make this a very simple on al parties DDG, United and Real. Of that much I am sure. But one of the 3 are not going to be happy. Expect movement by United to tie him. Its then and only then will we know.
 
Infordin said:
You are completely overstating the relevance PL experience. Oblak was man of the match in both ties against Bayern Munich last season. He'll be more than fine against any English team.

Champions League experience is far more relevant than Premier League experience.
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I think Oblak is an excellent keeper and I'm sure he would do fine in the PL. I only referenced it because it is something DDG, Lloris and Courtois have and he doesn't. Saying that though CL is great but PL experience also includes adapting to living in England. He may be good enough for the league but it is unknown whether he could settle in Manchester or London.
 
Problem with getting a replacement for De Gea is. whoever we get will cost nearly as much as we will be getting for De Gea, all the adequate replacements are at stable mid-top level clubs and they dont need to sell. Unless we can unearth a gem then it going to be really hard replacing him so i wonder if trying Romero as our number 1 may be an option. He obviously isn't as good but i doubt our club will want to be spending huge on a GK. This is all in hindsight though, As many have said this isn't really happening as of yet.

Another point to make is going for a keeper that hasnt played in the PL already, it may lead to a lot of initial inconsistency and may struggle to cope with the physicality like De Gea did right at the start. The problem wont be for him to overcome this as we have the right coaches to sort this out, but in this teams span, we are looking to challenge for the league and push on in Europe. I feel maybe buying an unproven, possibly young keeper may prove costly at the start. Something i don't think we can afford in this current team.
 
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Infordin said:
Bravo is just old, and that tends to effect shorter goalkeepers more (see Barthez or Casillas). Oblak is a lot more developed now than De Gea was when he initially came to United.

As someone else said, the best goalkeepers have always come from abroad.
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Lets not forget always is for eternity and I can honestly say that the best keepers have not 'always come from abroad'. UK has had a real golden generation of keepers over the last decades. Recently there has been a decline, but lets not forget a lot of us grew up prior to James being England keeper.
 
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Why is that a problem?
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When you sell a player who is arguably one of the best in the world, you want a price that reflect that. His replacement i doubt will be as good as he is, to then spend a similar amount to obtain an inferior replacement would be a poor deal in my mind at least. Take Lloris for instance, he would cost a load to get him out of Tottenham and wouldn't be on the same level as De Gea.
 
KM said:
Why are poeple so pessimistic all of the sudden? As far as I can see, apart from one outlet, there hadn't been anything regarding his future and yet the general tone of this thread is that as if he has already moved.
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To me it seems a bit like the Ronaldo saga and I think people have mostly accepted that at some point he's going to leave. That's how I feel about it anyway. Plus, he's a Spanish lad from Madrid, why wouldn't he want to move back home and play for one of the best teams in the world?
 
prtk0811 said:
This is the sort of mentality we have to sort out to reach our former heights. Leave that to de gea's agent. We need to care for the club. We need to push a strong messege across to de ge a and madrid and make a statement . Put up or shut up is the messege .
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That is entirely the wrong message for any club to send out, let alone a club like Manchester United. It's not healthy.

Are you seriously saying you'd sooner keep a player (who could grow to resent the club and be unhappy), than do the decent thing and let them fulfil their ambition?

SAF and the club reached a compromise with Ronaldo, he gave us one more year and he would be allowed to leave for Madrid on the proviso a world-record fee was made. Trying to keep Ronaldo for any longer would have been futile and nobody would have won in that scenario. If De Gea feels the same, the club should let him leave, for a record-goalkeeper fee.

The frustration that supporters feel (and the club to an extent), is down to the fact that it's Real Madrid that have come calling - again. And whilst we're richer enough to go toe-to-toe with them, Manchester is not Madrid. And it never will be. If we're signing young starlets who have an ambition to play for 'Los Blancos' one day, then this is the scenario we will find ourselves in.

If De Gea wants to leave, let him. And we'll find ourselves another goalkeeper.
 
He clearly wants to go and I can't believe some members on here don't see it, he signed a contract a year ago in hope he would be at Madrid. Only thing that stopped it was a dodgy fax machine, I can't see much that has changed since then.

Everything he's saying is leaving the door open for a move. "No one knows", it's a lot of crap. I'm sure he has had many communications from Perez whispering in his ear. He seems a nice guy and won't want to kick up a fuss but if negotiations don't go Madrids way he will be told to start forcing a move. It's standard Madrid
 
To the people who watch Sevilla regularly, what would you think of Sergio Rico as de Gea's replacement? Perhaps @jojojo @prarek ?
 
Jacko21 said:
That is entirely the wrong message for any club to send out, let alone a club like Manchester United. It's not healthy.

Are you seriously saying you'd sooner keep a player (who could grow to resent the club and be unhappy), than do the decent thing and let them fulfil their ambition?

SAF and the club reached a compromise with Ronaldo, he gave us one more year and he would be allowed to leave for Madrid on the proviso a world-record fee was made. Trying to keep Ronaldo for any longer would have been futile and nobody would have won in that scenario. If De Gea feels the same, the club should let him leave, for a record-goalkeeper fee.

The frustration that supporters feel (and the club to an extent), is down to the fact that it's Real Madrid that have come calling - again. And whilst we're richer enough to go toe-to-toe with them, Manchester is not Madrid. And it never will be. If we're signing young starlets who have an ambition to play for 'Los Blancos' one day, then this is the scenario we will find ourselves in.

If De Gea wants to leave, let him. And we'll find ourselves another goalkeeper.
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This is what put up or shut up means and also swap him for a player of our choice from madrid amongst varane modric kroos or casemiro in a swap deal plus money or A world record transfer sum which reflects the quality of the player de gea is and desire to sign him. And the price must be steep enough as per the current market senario is concerned so that we can sign the decent replacement which can have a little impact on our ambitions in the league and in europe.

A Club of the stature of Manchester united have top have top ambitions same and the current project under Jose mourinho demands a strong team capable enough to challenge on all fronts so we have to take care of our intrests before doing any deal. Manchester united have the same ambitions as a club that madrid has and we need to do all we can to assure ourselves that we get what we need. A deal only goes through when all 3 parties are benefitted from it and satisfied with it.

De gea is happy to play for a club like united and he has no reason to leave the club looking for a step up in his career as he is already the highest paid goal keeper in the world at united and we value him very highly so its also upto him to respect our position about what we expect in any deal which would go through if and only if the right offer comes in for a player and we have our right to judge what is the right offer for the quality of the player we have.
 
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He clearly wants to go and I can't believe some members on here don't see it, he signed a contract a year ago in hope he would be at Madrid. Only thing that stopped it was a dodgy fax machine, I can't see much that has changed since then.

Everything he's saying is leaving the door open for a move. "No one knows", it's a lot of crap. I'm sure he has had many communications from Perez whispering in his ear. He seems a nice guy and won't want to kick up a fuss but if negotiations don't go Madrids way he will be told to start forcing a move. It's standard Madrid
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A highest paid goalkeeper in the world cant afford to do that with a very exprienced agent.
 
Ramshock said:
Tbh I am getting bored of this and as much as I love him as a keeper its just going to roll on and on. This is the problem with buying Spanish players imo theres always that danger of Real/Barca calling them home. Get as much as we can from RM or use DDG as leverage for Bale or Kroos.
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As if Bale or Kroos want to leave Madrid for us. This isn't football manager.
 
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