I have no problem with your view until you bring the haphazard keeper Lloris into the argument (now there is an overrated goalkeeper who has more mistakes in him than a drunk dyslexic kid sitting an English exam)
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I have no problem with your view until you bring the haphazard keeper Lloris into the argument (now there is an overrated goalkeeper who has more mistakes in him than a drunk dyslexic kid sitting an English exam)
Yeah exactly, so when he said he wouldn't of sold Di maria and Welbeck basically he was talking nonsense as both players wanted to leave Danny wanted 1st team football regular and Dimaria well he never wanted to be here
Jose thinks the fans are thick imo.
I'm calling it now, Dave will make a howler against Boro and we will all agree he's rubbish.
I get the impression this is a Ronaldo-tyoe situation in 2008. Ron stayed with us another year, on the understanding that he would eventually be allowed to go to Real. I think DDG only signed the new contract with that understanding. I honestly cant blame him, he's a Madrid boy, and naturally would want to go back home; it's not like ADM who never wanted to be here and was on the first chance out.
If we can squeeze £50m from Real, drop it on Donnarumma, and we'll be sorted for another 20 years.
If we can squeeze £50m from Real, drop it on Donnarumma, and we'll be sorted for another 20 years.
That's pathetic.
He probably meant, didn't play under him, Depay didn't play much in the second part of last season but was kept till january, till he didn't play under Jose. So you reasoning isn't logical.
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No point selling best keeper in the world for £50m and buying a unproven keeper for nearly the same amount where is the business sense in that. He has to be sold for 50+ but we need to be smart with the money unless it is someone like Oblak who is on par with De Gea.
I actually think this is sort of right. Reactionary rather than seeing it early and snuffing it out was the difference between Ferdinand and Vidic. That's why they worked so well togethe.
De Gea is a reaction goalkeeper and probably the best.
Good points. You'll get shit for it though.
Kasper was amazing for Leicester yesterday, following 2 MOTM performances in CL-could be timing it perfectly
Thank you.
Yeah, you've hit the nail on the head.
De Gea is a reactionary goalkeeper (and probably one of the best reactionaries Ive ever seen), but he has to to be reactionary because he does zip all to quench the signs of danger in and around his penalty area. As I mentioned, he is a six-yard box goalkeeper only. Vastly overrated in terms of being 'one of the best goalkeepers in the world' - he;s not. Not at all. He's one of the best reaction shot stoppers, but shot stopping is only a small fraction of the skills required to be a great goalkeeper. But sadly, shot stopping is what the average fan judges on...fans only judge on highlight reels.
Interestingly, I believe LvG wasn't much of a fan of De Gea and I believe Mouirnho wouldn't be too pushed if he left this summer either. There are many keepers out there who I think would calm a lot of the nervous disposition in our defence that De Gea is largely responsible for.
My tablet did the double post again.
I think he is one of the best goalkeepers in the world but he needs to become a little bit more VDS to be really one of the best ever. Like Schmeichel was both. I could never see De Gea grabbing someone and throwing them off to go defend like Schmeichel did to Beckham.
The difference in my mind is that De Gea makes a good last defense. Schmeichel made the defense in front of him better. Constant screaming and telling them what he wanted doesn't happen with Dave. VDS did it too.
That said I don't see an upgrade out there as he's such a brilliant shot stopper.
I think he is one of the best goalkeepers in the world but he needs to become a little bit more VDS to be really one of the best ever. Like Schmeichel was both. I could never see De Gea grabbing someone and throwing them off to go defend like Schmeichel did to Beckham.
The difference in my mind is that De Gea makes a good last defense. Schmeichel made the defense in front of him better. Constant screaming and telling them what he wanted doesn't happen with Dave. VDS did it too.
That said I don't see an upgrade out there as he's such a brilliant shot stopper.
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There's definitely some mileage in this. He doesn't command his area and, from a distance, he doesn't manage his defence as confidently as some other keepers. Still a quality keeper though.
There is so much wrong with your post it's hard to know what to focus on.
The reason he doesn't sweep like Neuer is because he is not a Sweeper Keeper. It's a completely different style of goalkeeping. This doesn't make him overrated or worse than Neuer; he just has a different skillset. I agree he could channel his 'inner-Schmeichel' more and shout at the defence, but this will come with age and confidence.
If you seriously don't care whether DDG leaves then you're either a masochist or a mentalist; or both. He will be a massive loss and anyone we replace him with will be a downgrade.
Nonsense.
I bet you're one of those that thought when Petr Cech signed for Arsenal he would improve them by 12-points a season. For the record, he didn't improve their points tallys at all.
De Gea is world-class at certain attributes but as a whole he is overrated, get over it. We'd concede less clear-cut chances with a different model of keeper. I think Mouirnho knows that too. He has never ben lavish with praise for De Gea. I don't think he rates him so highly.
Nothing to do with what I was talking about but I will bite... For the record, I thought Cech was a good buy and a big upgrade on Chesney and Fabianski. However, I still think Arsenal's defence is suspect and Cech isn't good enough to stop them throwing away games.
Please enlighten me with a list of goalkeepers you think are better than DDG and would do a better job at Utd if we lose him.
If we're replacing him with Kasper, we'd be downgrading.
Reactionary keeper or not, I'd rather he stay than for us to get someone who's not up to quality.
Reactionary keeper or not, I'd rather he stay than for us to get someone who's not up to quality.
Well, let's start with this; you won't agree with who I say, because you judge individuals against each other. So it's not that I think Loris is a better keeper than De Gea, its that I think he is a much better fit for us. He cleans up his 18-yard box We are quite suspect when the ball comes over our defence. We have been for many years. We need a keeper to take control of that. The best in the world at that is Neuer. But we won;t be able to sign him, I don't imagine. I like Loris, I think he fits what we need. You can bet your last dollar, he wouldn't have to make as many saves as De Gea has to. Schmeichel is decent at it, but from what I hear - he is a deeply unlikable chap and I don't want many egos inside our dressing-room. Handanovic fits the bill of skill sets we require, but he doesn't have English and I don't want us trying to develop a goalkeeper from scratch again, much like we did with De Gea...We need a ready-made keeper who fits the bill of what's required. I see us linked with Oblak, but I don't see him as better than De Gea is terms of owning his domain.
If I was making the decision, I would go hell-bent on trying to land Loris. He's no De Gea when it comes to close-range shot-stopping, but then again, he rarely has to save those types of chances because they don't really happen on his watch. He can be a little rash at times, but is the ideal keeper to match our defensive line. I'm not sure if we'd concede a lot less with Loris than we do with De Gea, but we'd certainly conceded a lot less chances and we'd have a cleaner looking backline that would help us all breathe a little easier when watching United.
50 m is peanuts in this market. Not less than 75 . If he ever makes a decision. Madrid board would be laughing if we go soft. We have to hit back and make a statement.
Probably because you don't really understand the game.
You certainly don't understand literature.
I don't understand literature because I think the Da Vanci code is bad?
And you compare the "massively overrated" De Gea to the supposedly more commanding Lloris, who drops way more clangers than De Gea, by miles.
Is everything you say just the polar opposite of reality?
I disagree with this. There is no upgrade available. We have arguably the best goalkeeper in the world. If he morphs his game to be more commanding then he could become an all time great. It's easier to do that than have someone like Lloris suddenly have the natural talent.
One is possible. The other isn't.
It's why Schmeichel and Khan were so good. They did both.
Dude, you clearly have not understood the points I'm making. I can't continue this 'debate'.
Good post I agree with a lot of what you've said but think Lloris is hard to sign now because of Spurs recent success.
Also think De Gea even with those flaws is still best in the world and will eventually develop maturity and become more of a leader but he isn't a typical Jose keeper.
You do make a good - and very valid - point that I have been stewing in my head for a couple of years. Is it easier to mould De Gea into the kind of keeper we actually need, make him more dominant in his area or is it easier to buy somebody who does dominate their area and try to start all over again in moulding a keeper back into the team. Ive debated that for ages.
But, the point I'm trying to make is 1) De Gea is massively overrated, I don't care what anyone says, he is not a perfect goalkeeper. His lack of dominance allows opposition to get more attempts at him. and 2) if he does leave, it won't be as big a deal as most fans fear. It's not simply a case of De Gea being as good as his 'close-range shot stops' allow us to think he is.
People also say Ronaldo is also overrated or Messi is overrated and he lacks this and that. You should be good at what you do regardless of your technique.
But there is no better goalkeeper out there. Everything would be a downgrade.
I'm with you on what you said initially but who would you replace him with? Lloris is definatly a downgrade.
No, I understand your points, I just vehemently disagree with it.
I disagree he has zero presence. He certainly didn't when he first came here, and teams tried to use that to their advantage. His penalty box presence has improved tenfold. His anticipation of aerial balls and his handling of them is very good. He rarely seems to punch, and nearly always manages a clean, firm catch. It is no coincidence that opposing teams don't use the same tactics they used against De Gea in the first season anymore. The improvement in that area has been enormous. I do think he could be better there, but by no means do I think he is poor there. And to be fair, he is still young as far as goalkeepers go, so I don't think he is finished working on this.
I also think he is very good at the basics, and because he is not a sweeper keeper like Neuer and Lloris, I don't think that negates how good he is at the basics. I don't believe that sweeper keeper = good and standard goalkeeper = less good. They are different styles, and both have positives and negatives.
The goals that De Gea concedes are rarely because of massive glaring errors. There are times, like with all goalkeepers, where you think they could have done better, because you are right - he is not the perfect goalkeeper. Primarily because there is no such thing. Compare that to the goals that your examples, Lloris and Neuer, who both concede a fair proportion of goals that are caused by them being sweeper keepers, and abandoning their goal line and being caught out. Some of the goals they concede make them look a bit silly. The amount of times De Gea is made to look silly is at a minimum.
I actually think the opposite of your opinion, in that De Gea is excellent at the basics, but perhaps less so at the more unorthadox stuff - the sweeping up. I personally don't think we need that.
Also, can we stop describing players as "reactionary"? It doesn't mean what you think it means.
Okay I understand where you're coming from but aside from maybe Neuer, DDG brings more to the table than any other keeper in world football at the moment. I think Lloris is a good keeper and would probably be an okay alternative, but he is still a downgrade. Schmeichel is not good enough to be our first choice keeper and Handanovic isn't PL tested and would be a risk.
So who is left...? Courtous isn't attainable but could work. Oblak possibly but no PL experience. Buffon is too old. Donnarumma is too young. Cech, Leno, Navas, Butland are not on the same level as DDG.
Realistically Lloris or Courtois would be the next best thing if we need the keeper to make an instant impact (not including Neuer). Neither offer a better all-round skillset than DDG though.
I feel Madrid's first choice might be Courtois which make me laugh but if DDG was to go, immediate bid for Pickford would be my choice. If that fails, and this is out of left , I'd be happy with Tim Krul. Still under 30 and a great keeper; plus cheap!
Is this a joke post?
there are one of two things that could turn me into a liverpool supporter and this is one of them
do you watch goalkeepers? makes more sense than Lloris, Neuer and COurtosi, who have all been suggested and who we have as much chance of getting as Aguerta, Messi and Ronaldo all at once
So far we've had recommendations for Joe Hart, Jordan Pickford, and Tim Krul. What the feck?
Yea but Tim Krul? We already have a better keeper in Romero.
and who would you like? Gordon banks? Peter Shmikes? Seaman? I presumed we were being realistic
I agree but the question was who would we go for?
There are probably 2-3 keepers that would not be a downgrade on DDG if you factor in everything including league experience and winning mentality. Our chances of getting them are slim to none.
I don't think Donnaruma would be such a bad signing. He is going on 2 full seasons as 1st choice. Immense potential in him and I don't think he'll cost as much as whatever our fee for De Gea would be. Still, besides Neur, there is no better goalkeeper in the world and would prefer for him to stay.
So I'm saying, in a roundabout way, that i don't want us to sell De Gea. Not unless we get a keeper cloned from the genes of VDS and Schmeichel.