He's winning then.
David De Gea
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He's winning then.
Maybe I would have put it another way, but as Gaucho I also think he lacks a bit of character or audacity.
It is very worthy to keep quiet and leave the job to the agent, however in current football many of the transfers are under pressure, the player against the club and indirectly rejecting renewal offers.
I even remember Bale's grandparents had to go and talk to Levy to agree to negotiate, and could be seen as a easier transfer, overpaying to a smaller club.However we still had to wait for the last day.
Even Modric, who seems like the typical guy that never gets into trouble, had to rebel.
The thing is that he has been so quiet that has caused that madridistas do not feel sympathy. Not like Cristiano who made his intentions clear, or more recently Aubameyang. Right now he's a colchonero who wants to play here for his girlfriend. Everything else we know by the press.
Perhaps the issue is that he does not lack character or decision and is simply happy with his situation. If this is the case, then it is best to know as soon as possible to try to sign Courtois.
It is very worthy to keep quiet and leave the job to the agent, however in current football many of the transfers are under pressure, the player against the club and indirectly rejecting renewal offers.
I even remember Bale's grandparents had to go and talk to Levy to agree to negotiate, and could be seen as a easier transfer, overpaying to a smaller club.However we still had to wait for the last day.
Even Modric, who seems like the typical guy that never gets into trouble, had to rebel.
The thing is that he has been so quiet that has caused that madridistas do not feel sympathy. Not like Cristiano who made his intentions clear, or more recently Aubameyang. Right now he's a colchonero who wants to play here for his girlfriend. Everything else we know by the press.
Perhaps the issue is that he does not lack character or decision and is simply happy with his situation. If this is the case, then it is best to know as soon as possible to try to sign Courtois.
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you had him and then pulled the plug, making him look an idiot. Maybe that's why he isn't screaming to be saved
Actually I have always defended that Jose Angel Sanchez(Madrid CEO) was not wrong and United had deliberately delayed the signing, but over time, and after reading and listening to different journalists, I think Florentino changed his mind and boycotted the signing.
I agree, he looked like a fool. Although it is also true that the summer was very long and could have done something more.
United had no obligation to try and rush around to complete a sale of one of our best players, especially when Madrid had arsed about until the end of the window, very likely to try and force our hands....... their fault, no one else.
And as you say, he's an Atletico fan so maybe his silence in the past/now is because he's not creaming himself about the thought of joining the "all-mighty Real" like some players do?
Hope he stays but if he goes, I'd tell Real money isn't our driver, so we'll have Kroos ...... ...... ...... ..... ...
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And as you say, he's an Atletico fan so maybe his silence in the past/now is because he's not creaming himself about the thought of joining the "all-mighty Real" like some players do?
Hope he stays but if he goes, I'd tell Real money isn't our driver, so we'll have Kroos ...... ...... ...... ..... ...
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Wasn't Keylor in tears because he'd been used as a pawn in a last minute move he wasn't set on, and ended up getting fecked around?
Really? I think he'd be among the better replacements we could sign.
Why would we replace our keeper with the keeper they deem to be not good enough.
We need better than Navas, I have a feeling he'd adapt like Bravo.
But he made a good save during the week!! Clearly that good save means it's going to hard to find a better keeper who wants to come and play at one of the biggest teams in the world!! Sampdorias back up is the best we can do.
I'm normally a huge advocate of 'there's no room for sentiment in football'
When Sir Alex stunned everyone by selling Hughes, Ince and Kanchekskis for instance, everyone was
but that and many other instances have taught us that it's true.
That said, at 30 years old it's not too late for Kasper Schmeichel to leave Leicester and have his shot at a really big club.
His dad was 28 when he joined us, and played for another 12 years. I love De Gea, one of my favourite players right now and we'd miss him hugely.
If he goes and we sign a superstar keeper then fair enough, but in this instance maybe sentimentality would be ok by me
When Sir Alex stunned everyone by selling Hughes, Ince and Kanchekskis for instance, everyone was
but that and many other instances have taught us that it's true.That said, at 30 years old it's not too late for Kasper Schmeichel to leave Leicester and have his shot at a really big club.
His dad was 28 when he joined us, and played for another 12 years. I love De Gea, one of my favourite players right now and we'd miss him hugely.
If he goes and we sign a superstar keeper then fair enough, but in this instance maybe sentimentality would be ok by me
Any keeper we replace him with would be one they'd deemed not good enough, because they didn't try to sign him. They want De Gea.
You worded that like we'd be actively looking to to sell him but ideally we wouldn't sell him at all. However if he pushes for a move and Jose grants his wish then it's shit whatever we do, and any keeper we sign will be a step down.
Navas has gone to shit this season, that's why the speculation has come so early. I have watched like 8 Real Madrid games this season and he has made a big feck up in each of them. Could see him being a Bravo mk2 in the prem. We should make De Gea the highest paid player in the squad. If he still wants to leave, get in Schmeichel. The guys a beast and has been making saves his dad would be proud of for the past season and a half. Excellent distribution and at starting counter attacks too. Wouldn't mind seeing that name on the back of a United goalkeepers shirt again either
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Navas has gone to shit this season, that's why the speculation has come so early. I have watched like 8 Real Madrid games this season and he has made a big feck up in each of them. Could see him being a Bravo mk2 in the prem. We should make De Gea the highest paid player in the squad. If he still wants to leave, get in Schmeichel. The guys a beast and has been making saves his dad would be proud of for the past season and a half. Excellent distribution and at starting counter attacks too. Wouldn't mind seeing that name again on the back of a United goalkeepers shirt again either
"Navas. Do we need 'im?"
To be fair I haven't seen Real bar the odd game in the champions league. I just remember him looking great last season so I'm only basing my opinion off that really.
If we were to lose De Gea, then I would take all that money and buy Donnarumma. This guy is good already, but might become special in a couple of years. Our own Joel Pereira is supposed to be very highly rated, but I've only seen him in the youth team and not when he was playing in Portugal.
He's worth 134 mil. But I would take 175 mil. Not a penny less.
Unless there is a special Madrid buy price clause in his contract, I can't see how this happens.
Mourinho just made a comment about players he'd never let leave the club; De Gea must be one of those.
Likewise Madrid won't pay the £55+m required to make it financially attractive to us.
Mourinho just made a comment about players he'd never let leave the club; De Gea must be one of those.
Likewise Madrid won't pay the £55+m required to make it financially attractive to us.
The article doesn't seem to mention that he signed a 4+1 years contract so it basically expires in 2020 not 2019. I doubt we would sell him when he has 3 years on his contract
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Perhaps I'm just too bullish, or it's just as possible that I don't rate De Gea as highly as I should.
Well no that's wrong he's obviously one of the best in the world, and to lose him would be a negative unless we got Neuer or maybe Lloris (not as good but he'll slot right in)
But with Mourinho being here I'm pretty confident he'll make us a solid unit, we've already relied on DDG a lot less than under Van Gaal and I think over time we will continue to not rely on him. But as I said whoever comes in will probably be a downgrade, and it would be problematic messing about looking for a new keeper when we need new players already. But I don't know maybe I'm wrong but I think life after De Gea wouldn't spell disaster.
I was a keeper in my 'day' and thus, I show a huge interest in goalkeepers. Not that my opinion matters.
Anyway...
DDG is exceptionally good. But so was VDS. Schmeichel for me, was the best goalkeeper I've seen in my entire life, and as a 10yr old boy, I had his mug in a fridge magnet so I could look at him daily. I almost made it to pro level - I was scouted by numerous Premier League teams as a 16yr old, and was consistently told I was too small - my reflexes were incredible, when I played for my county I constantly benched much bigger lads coz despite my small frame, I could move like an effing cat. But.....
As a United fan, I do enjoy a monster between the sticks. And so does Jose. If DDG decides enough is enough (and I would never begrudge him that), we'll get someone. A good defence and midfield shouldn't need a Captain Fantastic in goal. A solid, reliable guy is enough. No mistakes, no flapping, just black-and-white goalkeeping. There are several solid keepers out there that, with improvements in other areas, would do a good job for us. Romero has done well when called upon but....a bit harsh....I don't put too much trust in Latin American/Hispanic/Mediterrenean keepers. A bit too punchy and flappy for my liking. I want a bit of Northern European/Eastern European meat and potatoes, if we replace DDG. Someone like Cech in his prime. A big, towering lump with good commanding skills and reflexes, who quietly goes about the job
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DDG is exceptionally good. But so was VDS. Schmeichel for me, was the best goalkeeper I've seen in my entire life, and as a 10yr old boy, I had his mug in a fridge magnet so I could look at him daily. I almost made it to pro level - I was scouted by numerous Premier League teams as a 16yr old, and was consistently told I was too small - my reflexes were incredible, when I played for my county I constantly benched much bigger lads coz despite my small frame, I could move like an effing cat. But.....
As a United fan, I do enjoy a monster between the sticks. And so does Jose. If DDG decides enough is enough (and I would never begrudge him that), we'll get someone. A good defence and midfield shouldn't need a Captain Fantastic in goal. A solid, reliable guy is enough. No mistakes, no flapping, just black-and-white goalkeeping. There are several solid keepers out there that, with improvements in other areas, would do a good job for us. Romero has done well when called upon but....a bit harsh....I don't put too much trust in Latin American/Hispanic/Mediterrenean keepers. A bit too punchy and flappy for my liking. I want a bit of Northern European/Eastern European meat and potatoes, if we replace DDG. Someone like Cech in his prime. A big, towering lump with good commanding skills and reflexes, who quietly goes about the job
We could become the best thing since sliced bread and I still wouldn't call a player spineless for not throwing a hissy fit at his club to force a move to us. That's just stupid.
Exactly this, Donn is the new De Gea so sign him up
Assuming de gea leaves which is doubtful
I'd make them break the bank. We don't need their money and the arrogant fecks that they are think they can have any player they want. It's about time they were told to put up or shut up.
Isn't that the game they used to play when they were the richest?
Isn't that the game they used to play when they were the richest?
I think there's a very good chance this deal happens this summer, regardless of whether we have Champions League football next season. I have no doubt that Jose would want to keep De Gea, but at the same time, he's made a few comments over the last several months which suggest that he could sanction a transfer. First, he's indicated many times that if a player isn't happy, he won't stand in the way of that player leaving. Of course, De Gea would have to make it known (internally at the club, if not publicly) that he wants a move. Also, when asked about Madrid possibly making a move for De Gea, Jose spoke about his good relationship with Madrid, and noted that the mutual respect they have for each other would mean that any discussions would be private and not made through the press. While it's not the right time for Madrid to comment publicly about something like this anyway, they have been silent on the topic. Jose also made a point of noting that it's possible that we would want one of their players. If he does let De Gea join Madrid, I'd be very surprised if we didn't get a player in return (be it Varane, Kroos or anyone else). If Jose covets one of their players enough, he may be more inclined to do a deal.
At the end of the day, it will really be dependant on De Gea, and whether he's willing to push for a move.
At the end of the day, it will really be dependant on De Gea, and whether he's willing to push for a move.
Didn't he say if a player who wasn't playing and wanted to leave he wouldnt stand in their way and if the player was playing he could say no to any request to leave
He didn't need to rebel because it was happening without it. The last minute fiasco just ended up making him look like an absolute idiot and put him in a ridiculous situation here. No surprises that he's not kicking up a fuss now.
Btw, I don't see how his way of dealing with this is bad at all. Why do the fans need a player to state his position to the media? What he wants has to be communicated to the Madrid guys and to ours, there's absolutely no need to go to the media and talk about it publicly. It's the right way to do it instead of the "oh I'm a slave" or "I'll just turn up at bernabeu anyways even if they don't sign me" nonsense that Ronaldo or Auba come up with. The fact that a fan on the Internet would call a player spineless for not throwing a tantrum or not going to the press to let the fans know is just mindbogglingly stupid to me.
Because its not easy to leave Man united for a club playing managerial circus having no ethos with a bunch of shiny toys. Its easy to choose LVG over Benetez
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You may be right, although I'm not certain that he made that distinction every time he's made those remarks. Don't get me wrong - Mourinho's approach would vary significantly if Romero were to ask for a transfer as opposed to De Gea. Like any Manager, he would make an effort to keep a player he values. At the end of the day, though, if De Gea digs his heels in and makes it clear that he wants to leave (and will not sign a new contract), Jose will let him go. In doing so, he would simply ensure that he maximizes the return and has a replacement in mind.
If they are willing to give us one of Bale, Benzema, Morata, Kroos, Marcelo or Carvajal then I wouldn't mind. Otherwise we should not sell Dave.
Another Toy Story 3 finish where Woodward saves him from the flames of Madrid...
Ddg has been a wonderful servant to the club, if he wants to leave and go back to his dream club so be it. Atleast this time we will get a good fee.
If it's all about living in Madrid then we should just offer Atletico to swap with Oblak
Bale or Kroos yes but no way would I be happy with any of the others you listed if it means DDG leaves.
Sure he wants to go, but he'll never get anything like the appreciation from Madrid fans that he does from us, they just won't be arsed, and if he messes up they'll be on his case quick fast, but I don't begrudge him the move this time just as long as we get a proper fee.
Real Madrid certainly aren't De Gea's dream club.
I am not afraid to say this; probably because I've said it a hundred times over the past few years; David de Gea is massively overrated.
He's a superb shot-stopper, one of the best I've seen, make no mistake about it. But I think he brings a lot of pressure on himself. He has zero or little presence. I think a lot of the chances teams create against us, that De Gea saves with a great low dive from close-range, come about because he lacks this authority to own his penalty area. If De Gea had more authority, we couldn't conceded as many opportunities. I think a keeper like Loris (who has a mass of authority and absolutely owns his penalty area) or a Neuer (best in the world) wouldn't make as many brilliant saves if they were United's goalkeeper but they wouldn't have to. They do the simple things really well. De Gea can't do the simple things well. He is a six-yard box goalkeeper. The others are 18-yard box keepers. They sweep and clean. De Gea rarely cleans anything up. He is a shot-stopper of a goalkeeper. It makes him look an awful lot better than he actually is.
I liken his abilities to a great debate I used to have over who was better - Vidic or Ferdinand. For me, that was a no contenst, Ferdinand was five times the defender Vidic was. The reason Vidic got labelled a great defender was due to the fact that he used to pull out great tackles in desperate times. Like De Gea, his highlights reel looked great. But Ferdinand never made great, last-ditch tackles. WHy was that? Because he was way too good a defender to ever be desperate. He read the game immaculately and swept everything up before it even became a danger. Rio never had to make desperate tackles (he rarely made tackles he was that good - rarely got booked). He would see the danger before it happened. Neuer is a Ferdinand. De Gea is a Vidic. De Gea has to pull off great saves on a regular basis because he doesn't do enough to quell the danger.
It wouldn't bother me one iota if he left. I' like to see a goalkeeper brought in who can own his domain. De Gea's never been an authorative figure. And because he doesn't sweep a lot of danger away, he has to put up with so many shots at him. I know he saves a lot, but he brings it on himself.
He's a superb shot-stopper, one of the best I've seen, make no mistake about it. But I think he brings a lot of pressure on himself. He has zero or little presence. I think a lot of the chances teams create against us, that De Gea saves with a great low dive from close-range, come about because he lacks this authority to own his penalty area. If De Gea had more authority, we couldn't conceded as many opportunities. I think a keeper like Loris (who has a mass of authority and absolutely owns his penalty area) or a Neuer (best in the world) wouldn't make as many brilliant saves if they were United's goalkeeper but they wouldn't have to. They do the simple things really well. De Gea can't do the simple things well. He is a six-yard box goalkeeper. The others are 18-yard box keepers. They sweep and clean. De Gea rarely cleans anything up. He is a shot-stopper of a goalkeeper. It makes him look an awful lot better than he actually is.
I liken his abilities to a great debate I used to have over who was better - Vidic or Ferdinand. For me, that was a no contenst, Ferdinand was five times the defender Vidic was. The reason Vidic got labelled a great defender was due to the fact that he used to pull out great tackles in desperate times. Like De Gea, his highlights reel looked great. But Ferdinand never made great, last-ditch tackles. WHy was that? Because he was way too good a defender to ever be desperate. He read the game immaculately and swept everything up before it even became a danger. Rio never had to make desperate tackles (he rarely made tackles he was that good - rarely got booked). He would see the danger before it happened. Neuer is a Ferdinand. De Gea is a Vidic. De Gea has to pull off great saves on a regular basis because he doesn't do enough to quell the danger.
It wouldn't bother me one iota if he left. I' like to see a goalkeeper brought in who can own his domain. De Gea's never been an authorative figure. And because he doesn't sweep a lot of danger away, he has to put up with so many shots at him. I know he saves a lot, but he brings it on himself.
pretty sure it's been known for ages as it went up after a deadline last summer. Obviously paper guessing but it's in more than one paper.
But if that's your stance you might as well use that argument with every single discussion / rumour we have on here and change your name to "is that official as it's just in the papers"
Probably the worst thing I've ever read, and I've read The DaVinci Code.
That happens everywhere Cantona.Fans use to support to the players playing well.
Here posters were also excited with Rojo,Darmian or Schweinsteiger and the good words turned into critics.
We both would be happy sending our top goalscorers to China.
So what's the new information?
And by new I mean stuff we haven't heard rehashed already.
And by new I mean stuff we haven't heard rehashed already.
Probably because you don't really understand the game.
You certainly don't understand literature.
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