Id have thought benching Maguire, Shaw and Ronaldo was proof enough that ETH doesn't mess about, but if you still want to torture yourself with images of De Gea being here for two more years, go wild.
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Id have thought benching Maguire, Shaw and Ronaldo was proof enough that ETH doesn't mess about, but if you still want to torture yourself with images of De Gea being here for two more years, go wild.
The point you are missing is that replacing De Gea with a goalkeeper coming in for 3/4 years is not a stop gap. And I don't see why you're so certain De Gea will be number one even if the club does keep him considering, as already pointed out multiple times, Ten Hag has already forced the club to look at goalkeepers who would have come in and taken his place.
Of the goalkeepers who moved clubs I referenced, two of them were free transfers, are you telling me we still have to pay £50m for out of contract players? One of them was sold by Olympiacos to Wolves for £6m, one was sold by Lille to AC Milan for circa £12m, one was sold by Granada (relegated) to Lazio for circa £9m and one was sold by Burnley (relegated) to the richest club in the world for £10m. Are you seriously trying to tell me that those clubs, despite agreeing deals for those fees, would have said £50m if United had then enquired for the players?
You say City & Liverpool failed with cheaper goalkeepers, I would say those goalkeepers came in and provided a blueprint for the type of goalkeeper the defenders should expect to have behind them. Obviously, Ederson and Alisson were huge upgrades on Bravo & Karius but the reality is they were improvements on similar styles of goalkeepers, whereas Bravo & Karius were very different to what had gone before them and frankly both should be part of the reason that a stop gap goalkeeper should not be discounted if the right goalkeeper is not available. I'm not saying we shouldn't spend big on a goalkeeper, but the reality is that we recruited properly over the past couple of years, there should be no need for us to.
Under ETH? It's almost like he hasn't benched players for different reasons.
Yep this is going to happen
Too lazy to find the posts again, but there was a lot of stuff here about his shot-saving stats being mediocre, barely positive, etc. I have no idea if this stat (PSxG-GA) is meaningful, but a comparison adds context.
(tldr - Alisson is a freak, DDG is comfortably in the tier below, Sanchez could be a steady replacement, run away from Meslier)
Also, keeping in mind that this includes his bad form of 18-19 and slow decline since, I'd guess that his peak years (2013-18) would have insane numbers, probably consecutive seasons +5 or more. Sadly this stat isn't measured before 2018.
| Season | DDG | Ederson | Neuer | Mendy | Ramsdale | Lloris | Alisson | Sanchez | Meslier |
| 17-18 | +8.5 | -1.6 | -0.5 | - | +0.6 | +10.8 | |||
| 18-19 | +0.1 | +4.1 | -5.5 | +4.4 | +10.2 | +5.9 | |||
| 19-20 | +2.1 | +2.5 | +2.5 | +1.9 | -0.4 | +7.3 | +0.6 | ||
| 20-21 | +0.1 | +2.2 | +2.2 | +0.1 | +1.9 | +5 | +5.9 | +4.8 | +5.3 |
| 21-22 | +6.7 | -1.2 | -1.2 | -0.4 | -4.3 | -0.5 | +4.4 | +1.2 | -7.3 |
| 22-23 | +0.1 | -0.6 | +1.2 | -1.9 | -1.6 | -1.4 | +0.1 | +2.6 | -1.4 |
| Avg/90 | +0.10 | +0.03 | -0.01 | +0.03 | -0.04 | +0.12 | +0.16 | +0.12 | -0.04 |
(tldr - Alisson is a freak, DDG is comfortably in the tier below, Sanchez could be a steady replacement, run away from Meslier)
Also, keeping in mind that this includes his bad form of 18-19 and slow decline since, I'd guess that his peak years (2013-18) would have insane numbers, probably consecutive seasons +5 or more. Sadly this stat isn't measured before 2018.
Yeah goes in line with my thoughts on his performance. Great in 17-18, Poor for 3 years and a return to some form last year.
When Ten Hag looked at De Gea’s salary ….WTF?!!
I pulled out De Gea's stats from all his seasons on Fbref and its really interesting what happened last season. Basically he had three outstanding performances that really skewed his overall stats - away to Brentford (+2 vs PS-xG), away to Norwich (+2) and away to Chelsea (+1.4).
To put it in context, his best ever performance on fbref is +2.7 - the famous game away to Arsenal. No other game since has reached 2, not even the other famous game, against Spurs. So he had his 2nd and 3rd best performances on record last season, along with one that ranked 9th. These three games strongly affected his season stats. Of that +6.7 total, 5.4 came from these three performances alone.
Compare that to his best season, 17-18 and you see a totally different profile. In that season he only had 1 truly outstanding game, the Arsenal one. But other than there, there isn't really another standout performance, stats wise. Instead he's just clocking up better than average performances week after week, eventually racking up a cricket score.
I don't want to suggest that those three games last season somehow don't count, they do. However it points to a very different player from the older De Gea. In 2017-18 you had a player who was super reliable and churned out good performances consistently. In 2020-21 you had a player who generally played at a lower level, but could still turn out an absolute blinder very occasionally.
Sheriff Tiraspol 0:2 Man Utd
His passing is getting better. 40 passes, 98% accuracy against Sheriff 
Long passes ? I can't even remember ddg in the game except for some nice stops and gathering the ball wellHis passing is getting better. 40 passes, 98% accuracy against Sheriff
Long passes ? I can't even remember ddg in the game except for some nice stops and gathering the ball well
I only remember he messed up one long pass toward the end. Him not noticeable is a good thing.
I just can't understand why we have to loan Dubravka if we are sticking with de Gea in Europa games.
Ten Hag probably doesn't rate Heaton, and we got a competent Prem keeper who apparently is a good passer and cross collector (and swept aggressively under Benitez before Bruce came in, though he's 33 so might have lost a yard of pace) who wanted to come here and will probably be the #2 for the next few years for cheap.
Hmmm there is still the FA cup and the league cup. Why would you want you first choice keeper to play only one competition? First choice keeper should always start in Europe no matter the competition (winning the Europa give you a trophy and a Champions league spot) and the league.
We won the Europa with Romero in goal.
The disrespect to Romero been compared to Dubravka. Are you aware Romero was in goal for Argentina in the 2014 worldcup final?
And I remember during that season we won the Europa league and even after a lot on here wanted him to be the number 1 because besides keeping clean sheets when he played, he commanded his area better also during that time De Gea's form had dipped drastically.
Point is, "first choice keeper should always start in Europe" is total nonsense. Turner starts for Arsenal this season and I'll refrain myself to continue the list.
I don't give a feck what other teams do. You said what was the point of signing Dubravka if he wasn't gonna play in the Europa league,. Thats stupid because that's not the only competition we play. You making it sound so outrageous why De Gea starts in the Europa league
when common sense should tell you Dubravka can play the league cup and FA cup.Anyways who gives a feck, is it really a big deal De Gea starts in Europe? just something for you to complain about.
Was never the problem , it's just funny how our fanbase point him out as the problem. Like they have such a bad way of thinking to conclude he was the problem. I mean was he ever the problem before he had Maguire and Shaw in front of him ? This man won golden gloves pulling world class saves every games with back four of valencia, smalling , jones , young. About building up from the back that has little to do with keeper , more to do with the back four and midfielder. Nobody complain about his cross claim, distribution or sweeping ability before Henderson PR team start talking about it.
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You don't give a feck, I do. To me it's just another example of clueless business in the transfer market. Loaning a keeper just for a few domestic cup games? What a joke.I don't give a feck what other teams do. You said what was the point of signing Dubravka if he wasn't gonna play in the Europa league,. Thats stupid because that's not the only competition we play. You making it sound so outrageous why De Gea starts in the Europa league
Anyways who gives a feck, is it really a big deal De Gea starts in Europe? just something for you to complain about.
It's quite obvious why we got him. He won't complain being number 2 but is good enough to be a stopgap if De Gea gets injured, but also not as bad as Heaton. If he impresses then we can get rid of Heaton and keep him, if he doesn't we just send him back and at the end of the year we've got Henderson who will either have done well enough to command a good fee to go towards another keeper, or well enough to be our number 1. What's there to moan about?
People make out that you need crazy ability to be a ball playing keeper. 90% of the time there's very easy option on and the other 10% you are allowed just lump it.
As you pointed out a lot of it comes down to whether people are showing for the ball and their technical ability which has been lacking in our squad.
He'll continue to show that if instructed to do so, he's more than capable of finding his centre halves with the ball. You don't need to be Juninho.
Did anyone ever say he was THE problem?
Ignoring that he is still useless on crosses etc, we've literally had to change from how Ten Hag wanted to play to him hitting it long everytime, leading to no control over possession.
Have you watched the last 2 games?
The idea that goalkeepers aren't that important in build up play would carry more weight if it wasn't at odds with the words and actions of pretty much every possession manager over the last two decades.
As for De Gea, he is right now struggling on the ball in our team, even with a re-made back four ahead of him. So in this moment when the people who said De Gea's limitations on the ball would be an issue are being proven right game after game, it's weird to see others posting as if they've been proven right and De Gea is actually demonstrating that the accepted ideas of how good a goalkeeper needs to be on the ball are wrong.
As for De Gea, he is right now struggling on the ball in our team, even with a re-made back four ahead of him. So in this moment when the people who said De Gea's limitations on the ball would be an issue are being proven right game after game, it's weird to see others posting as if they've been proven right and De Gea is actually demonstrating that the accepted ideas of how good a goalkeeper needs to be on the ball are wrong.
How did he struggle on Thursday then? Didn't he have 100% passing accuracy or something like that?
They wouldn’t have to buy him , he’s available on a free
Yes? I won't base anything on a game against a team as bad as Sheriff.
Oh no he was plenty accurate and we didn't need to boot the ball long near as much.
Unfortunately that contrasts with pretty much every other game this season, not coincidentally all against stronger sides than Sheriff, in which he has variously looked a bomb scare on the ball, forced us to cede control of the game by going long repeatedly and/or been noticably less effective in helping his team in possession than the opponent's goalkeeper.
In that context the game against Sherrif might have prompted you to wonder how much more of that control we'd have in other games if we didn't have to constantly work around De Gea's weaknesses against better teams. As opposed to "well he did it against a Moldovan league team who were incapable of troubling him, that proves the doubters wrong, no need to consider his struggles against anyone else".
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If anyone wanted to know why the Brighton and Brentford goalkeepers are currently favoured ahead of De Gea for the national team, you just have to look at the impact he's had on the way we play this season. It's a case study in exactly why managers like Enrique are right to opt for goalkeepers who are better on the ball (and in other regards) even if they're not as good shot-stoppers. The problems they think it causes, it's causing.
Was involved in the 1st goal against Arsenal too
He struggled to trust maguire who spread nervousness throughout the defense. I didn't remember anyone talking about his supposed problem back then before we had Maguire.
He was involved in as much as he played a very simple pass under no pressure whatsoever.
He was also the main reason we got pinned in our own half for 20 minutes after half time, because Arsenal pushed up and put a press on us which meant de gea just smashed everything long and Arsenal won every header and second ball and took complete control of the game. We couldn't even play a few passes to allievate the pressure let alone try and progress up the field because de gea is absolutely hopeless on the ball under pressure.
Face facts de gea is nowhere near good enough on the ball for a club that wants to play progressive football on the front foot. Nowhere near, nothing to do with the defenders infront of him or the midfielders who have all been plenty capable for the past few season's and everything to do with de gea himself.
I think who he's passing to makes a big difference. It's much easier to pass to Lisandro knowing that he can handle it under pressure, as opposed to giving it to Maguire.
Let's see how he does this season playing the way Ten Hag wants us to.
By the way it's not solely on De Gea if Arsenal are winning every header and second ball.
I do agree that he doesn't come out for crosses as much as some other keepers. But he was passing it under Ole when he wanted to play that way. He did pass but our outfield players kept losing possession every time he passed.
He does come out and sweep now. Probably it's because change of coaching and change of players in the defense and midfield.
He does come out and sweep now. Probably it's because change of coaching and change of players in the defense and midfield.
Man City 6:3 Man Utd
He's a joke during any cross.
At this point I would rather have a traffic cone in goal.
How many hammerings has De Gea been on the end of since he joined? Feel sorry for him. He needs replacing and is part of the problem, but we really do hang him out to dry sometimes.
We have persevered with De Gea's lack of ability in playing out, because of his excellent shot stopping ability. I think after today and Brentford, we can safely say that he is finished at an elite level. He is too static, lacks aggression, doesn't come out to stop shots. I think he could have saved at least 2 of Foden's and 1 of Haaland's, by just being switched on.
Might be time to give Dubravka a chance.
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