David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances

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The word 'selective' is normally used to imply a quote has been taken out of context. Otherwise, why say it? You had claimed in this thread that you believed you only said Gordon was a better shot-stopper, I found a quote where you simply said he was better. The rest of the quote wasn't relevant in the context. Not to go all Shawshank, but you're being deliberately obtuse.


What ? Better at tiddlywinks. You're clutching at straws. And even if I did actually type that, it's out of context here. Fine, if you want to take the Sharky7 approach to discussion then I doubt I'll bother much with what you post in future, but hey ... every man/woman deserves a second chance.
 
'at all' ... you just then go on to say it was selected (out of a larger body). Anyway, look, I don't have the will nor the stomach to continue the Gordon debate at this point.

What I will say however, is that when various replacements were being touted to fill VdS's considerable boots I wanted to see Ferguson to take a chance on Gordon. Why ? Because having followed him for sometime, and fairly closely at that, I felt he was a very good fit for United, and at probably a third of the eventual cost of a de Gea (or Neuer). He isn't perfect by all means but he checked many of the boxes expected of a top keeper.

He'll be available for next to nothing in the Jan transfer window, and at 30, I guarantee he'd be well worth a few million if he can come back and stay fit.

We'll see what happens
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This suggests to me he still dreams of seeing him in a United shirt.
 
What ? Better at tiddlywinks. You're clutching at straws. And even if I did actually type that, it's out of context here. Fine, if you want to take the Sharky7 approach to discussion then I doubt I'll bother much with what you post in future, but hey ... every man/woman deserves a second chance.

:lol: ok, not serious then....your call...feeky had a point, but you had the wherewithall.
 
If you can't handle an alternative opinion then please step away from the computer ... there's no need to start the keyboard warrior malarky ... its not big calling people turds for a start.

Shut your wang hostel, you turd.
 
... but only in my wet dreams. Some of the stuff posted on here is simply bizarre. :rolleyes:

Ok, but people trying to defend a young talented keeper who just moved country to play for the biggest club in the world seems to get your back up. I find this bizarre.

If after another 10-15 games he is making regular gaffes then I might agree that you have a point. At the moment yes he has made a couple of errors but he has brought some real positives to the team (which you seem to want to dismiss). Not only that, but I think his nervy start has actually helped to bring the best out of the fans and the other young players around him. Just my opinion mind.
 
OMG ... really, did you just post that.

Look, I'm sorry if I've offended a few of you with an opinion that differs but this is getting way too outlandish for me.

You haven't offended anyone. You have made quite a few of us laugh at you, which was your intention.
 
Ok, so we've established that Maroon hasn't photoshopped Gordons head over De Geas' in the team photo. Instead, he has used Gordons head torn from an old copy of the sun, and stuck it over De Geas using his own man juice, not realising in doing so he has effectively jizzed in De Geas face. This is a joke btw Maroon!
 
Not a patch on Attacking the space.
 
Ok, but people trying to defend a young talented keeper who just moved country to play for the biggest club in the world seems to get your back up. I find this bizarre.

If after another 10-15 games he is making regular gaffes then I might agree that you have a point. At the moment yes he has made a couple of errors but he has brought some real positives to the team (which you seem to want to dismiss). Not only that, but I think his nervy start has actually helped to bring the best out of the fans and the other young players around him. Just my opinion mind.

Sorry, I was a bit pre-mature back there with the exit. It doesn't get my back up per se its just the sheer blinkered-ness (if that's a word) of some. Anyway, I think your point about galvanizing the team & the fans is spot on and really quite commendable. I think even the bitterest scouse might secretly admit to that.

Right, I'm frankly limp after all this cutting & thrusting tonight.:p
 
What ? Better at tiddlywinks. You're clutching at straws. And even if I did actually type that, it's out of context here. Fine, if you want to take the Sharky7 approach to discussion then I doubt I'll bother much with what you post in future, but hey ... every man/woman deserves a second chance.
Is it that hard to understand? You were ridiculously harsh on De Gea ("he hasn't really displayed anything to date to say he will [come good]". Sharky pointed out that you may not particularly be the best judge of goalkeepers pointing out your overrating of Gordon in comparison to top 'keepers. You then backtracked, claiming you'd only said he was a better shot-stopper than them, I simply pointed out you'd said he was better, full stop. I fail to see how that's being selective, or clutching at straws.

No-one's denying that he's made mistakes, in fact I think you'll find most predicted it. What people are reacting to is claims like he's not demonstrated anything to suggest he'll come good, or silly comments like his save from Van Persie didn't count and that you're sure he'll "eventually have a game where he doesn't make a major mistake or conceded one where most keepers wouldn't". It's petty, weird, and frankly looks like you're just sour we didn't go for Gordon, who although is a 'keeper capable of the sublime, is simply not on the level of the top goalkeepers.
 
Look, maybe another time. I frankly can't be arsed prolonging my stance just now. If you really want to try and understand my view on it all trawl through the relevant lot, and I'm sure you'll find it's an honest, and dare I say it, fair appraisal of Gordon's abilities anyway. As for de Gea, we'll just have to wait and see. He's young and he's raw ... anything could happen. He's certainly getting the backing which is not what Gordon got at the SoL.
 
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David De Gea has made more saves than any other goalkeeper in the Premier League this season
 
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David De Gea has made more saves than any other goalkeeper in the Premier League this season

Just saw that stat' (for those wondering, it's 17 saves). Assume some of that is a result of his first two mistakes leading to sides trying lots of long-range efforts, but it also suggests he's really been put to the test and (imo) is dealing with it pretty well for a kid just moved to one of the biggest sides in the world, in a new league, in a new country, at 20.
 
Distribution when it boils down to it is about two things:

a) The ability to play quick, accurate passes and throws

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b) The decision making to play the correct ones

Some keepers have neither (Kuszczak for example). Others have just the first - the ability to play great balls but don't really know the correct ones to make. Others have just the second - not particularly good with the ball but know their limitations and play within them.

Then there are others that have both. De Gea certainly has great ability, he's already played some great balls both with his kicking and throwing. That much is obvious. Decision making is a bit harder to judge, but so far he's looking good.
 
That's astonishing. Pointless pot shots from range will beef that stat up but it also confirms that our very attacking set-up in central midfield is dangerously porous.

Three games isn't really much of a sample though.

There have been extenuating circumstances:

- As you say, Spurs - in particular - were taking pot shots from ridiculous angles and distances. That's nothing to do with being pourous.

- I also don't think that we can read much into the Arsenal match. It was an absurdly open game and under normal circumstances, we'd have played with more care defensively.

If you look at the City game, they barely registered a shot on goal.
 
Three games isn't really much of a sample though.

There have been extenuating circumstances:

- As you say, Spurs - in particular - were taking pot shots from ridiculous angles and distances. That's nothing to do with being pourous.

- I also don't think that we can read much into the Arsenal match. It was an absurdly open game and under normal circumstances, we'd have played with more care defensively.

If you look at the City game, they barely registered a shot on goal.

I assume those stats are league games only. City game not included but WBA game will be.
 
I'm not sure how to feel, are we leaking that many shots on goal or was a big chunk just Spurs trying their luck. I wish Opta could do saves by game.
 
I'm not sure how to feel, are we leaking that many shots on goal or was a big chunk just Spurs trying their luck. I wish Opta could do saves by game.

It's mostly distance shots I think from outside the area. From the area Cleverley and Anderson should cover. They have been great but that's the main thing they need to improve on.
 
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