The last three paragraphs of that post are almost surreal. What the flippety feck does any of that have to do with De Gea's quality on the ball? Very strange.
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That wasn't my post in other words. I'm saying he has great distribution, not that the players are giving him options (which is the case but doesn't nullify the original point).
his distribution isn't good, the rest of the team are just making themselves available really well. Scholes wasn't much of a passer, it just looked that way to silly people who didn't realise it was all about the player receiving the ball; they are the ones who deserve the accolades.
Did I say this, or are you saying this for me ?
You might be discussing his ability to play the pass and nail it. Anyway, you know, I'm not to shabby at long-bangers but I wouldn't say they were of much use if some random hanging around with tight shorts decides to nip in, nab the ball and do a runner towards the bushes hoping we'll follow.
You don't think that the best teams in the world, with the most time on the ball (and in all likelihood the best possession stats) probably have keepers that end up with high passing success rates(whether it be with foot and/or hand). I bet Valdes is near 90%. Possession & dominance gives you time to think/time to play ... it may be pretty obvious but some need reminding once in a while. More time, more accuracy.
Ability is one thing, what you do with it is another.
This is basically what goalkeeping is all about
MaroonPondlife has either just master trolled this thread, or he/she is a moron.
It varied hugely. For example, in the last game against Blackpool last season, it was 83.3%. In his last game before that, Chelsea at home, it was 24.3%. It's hard to put an exact figure on it without doing a pile of work, from memory I would say it averaged about 55-60%.
Well if you want to talk about ability and what he does with it - his quick release after grabbing a cross against Spurs to Young lead the the Anderson goal. De Gea has been reading his options very well and if anyone dismisses how good his distribution has been out of hand, seems like they have an obvious agenda against him.
Scholes wasn't much of a passer, it just looked that way to silly people who didn't realise it was all about the player receiving the ball; they are the ones who deserve the accolades.
Did I say this ?
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In other words, his team mates are giving him options. And I suspect that these available options are related to the present form that United are displaying. They've been generally dominant, and on the front foot which usually means that there is more space for defenders & keeper.
Of course, most keepers in the EPL don't always have options, nevermind a best option so to compare like with like is a bit tenuous.
What is important here is what comes of the distribution. I've seen countless 40 yard cross-field passes from Scholes & Rooney over the years where everybody ooohs & ahhhs but frankly they've led to nothing other than showing they can hit a, well we all know the term, a Hollywood pass.
Did I say this ?
SO what you ARE saying is that his ability to pick out these longer passes are of no real value, because A.) they are really only indicative of de Gea being gifted an extremely unusual amount of time to dilly-dally around on the ball due to his team as a whole being superior and playing ahead, and that B.) They offer no real use to United in attack, as they are the types of passes of the "Hollywood" variety, I.E. superfluous, or spectacular, but only for spectacles sake?
That's what I'm thinking.
It's only surreal to folks who aren't prepared to follow the entire discussion, a bit like our friend Sharky7 did when I was discussing Gordon (which unfortunately has hit major injury problems ... a true talent that when fit was one of the best keepers in the EPL).
Then on the other hand, I tend to write in a way where I generally give everyone the benefit of the doubt that they have the ability to look beyond (the possible meanings) the actual words before them on the screeen. In other words I respect the knowledge of those out there until they prove otherwise.
Seems like I'm a moron.
And why do you think this is the case ? Well, see my previous posts about options or lack there of. Or, maybe VdS was having a shite game vs Chelsea ?
The way some folks go on here DdG is already better than VdS.
Admittedly, I haven't followed this thread enough to tell you everything that's been said, but from the amount I have paid attention, I don't recall anyone saying or even insinuating that de Gea is near as good as van der Sar at this time.
But the thing is I haven'y just been going on about his distribution ... this is the way that folks took it on this forum because it's their best form of defence ... lets make this about his distribution, his best trait, and not his shot-stopping or abilities to deal with crosses, where he's obviously been weak to date.
Not my agenda here.
No one has said anything even remotely close to that. You really aren't very good at this.
whoever said he is better than VDS.
For a 20 year old he has the confidence though. His lack of concentration is what contributes to his occasional dodgy moments. That will come with experience.
I have no fears with him.
For a 20 year old he has the confidence though. His lack of concentration is what contributes to his occasional dodgy moments. That will come with experience.
I have no fears with him.
You laugh at others and claim they are twisting your words yet you do the exact same thing.
Anything to fit your agenda, eh?
Nope. But obviously because we haven't all been saying that he's been bad in every game for us, and people have actually said he had a good game, it clearly means everyone thinks he's better than VDS.
I read that entire thread, twice (again today) and I think you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
After reading this thread my opinion certainly hasn't been swayed.
Check out: https://www.redcafe.net/9274594-post207.html
That's right, Cech, Reina and Hart... none are better than Gordon!
Now I see what you mean.Finally we can all agree!
Get out of here with your comprehension skills!
I really don't want to go and read the last three pages of this thread. Would a kind soul please enlighten me as to what Pondlife has been saying about De Gea? I know you are arguing about distribution and stuff but what else?
Pondlife has taken great offense at the common observation that DDG has very good distribution. He has argued against this extensively without really making any sense and seems to think that it's not down to anything DDG is doing, rather his team mates making themselves available better.
He's now moved on to claiming people have said DDG is as good as VDS when in fact nobody has said anything like that.
'No real value' - eh ? If they're of value then they're of value, but only if possession is maintained or there is a net gain. A 40 yard Hollywood ball to Smalling who takes it neatly on his chest and plays it back to Jones following up is pointless if it was easier to play it to Jones in the first place. In this former instance you're only really improving your chances of losing possession.
Of course if, as a keeper you can do this under pressure time and again then you really are talented.
Well then according to Pondlife Scholes is a shit passer. The wingers made themselves available to him very nicely and hence he was able to pick them out.
Oh dear.
Sharky7 ... I wrote you off a long time ago. You clearly demonstrated an inability to discuss the issue based on your limited knowledge of Craig Gordon, and then resorted to pathetic wee jibes to deflect your ignorance.
Still wrote off.
Wait so are you sticking by your point that Gordon is better than Cech, Hart and Reina? Still?
But of course that would be Smallings fault for passing back to Jones, thus making it seem pointless, now wouldn't it?
I was trying to make a point ... of course nobody's going to admit anything of the sort. As for insinuation, well I'm glad you brought it up.
RDCR07 ... I suggest you rather read it for yourself, you'll definitely get a better perspective. If you can't be bothered just assume I'm a moron, as most people on here adopt this dismissive attitude when anybody dares question their own perceived judgement.
See, this statement, while in keeping with the lets bash the village idiot theme, is quite simply without any foundation. Why, because you haven't read my points, or if you have have failed to grasp what I've been discussing.
I suspect your post here says more about you than me.
I am just going on what Nick said. I ll try and read the last few pages.
You basically meant that passing to Smalling is worthless if he is going to pass it to Jones who is behind him?
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