David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances

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Having Vidic back, significantly reduce the amount of time de Gea has to come out dealing with crosses and high ball. It means his 'major weakness' isn't exposed too much.
 
Nah. Not true in the slightest.

Sure it is. Short memories here, so it would seem...unless you're just fukking with me like a poster a few months ago who laughed at the ingestion that Bale was anywhere near the class on Nani. (And I do remember who that was.)

To be clear, I've never been a big fan of Howard. He's a bit of a head case and made an unforgivable error v Porto, but he's regarded as one of the better keepers in the league and has been for quite some time. I'm guessing 5 or 6 seasons with Everton now, maybe longer.
 
Sure it is. Short memories here, so it would seem...unless you're just fukking with me like a poster a few months ago who laughed at the ingestion that Bale was anywhere near the class on Nani. (And I do remember who that was.)

To be clear, I've never been a big fan of Howard. He's a bit of a head case and made an unforgivable error v Porto, but he's regarded as one of the better keepers in the league and has been for quite some time. I'm guessing 5 or 6 seasons with Everton now, maybe longer.

"...one of the league's elite keepers, perhaps even better than De Gea"

Several clubs have a better keeper than Tim Howard. Spurs have two. So how you can call him one of the league's elite keepers (your sole reason being that "he plays for Everton") is pretty baffling. I doubt anyone rates him on par with David De Gea. He's probably top 10, but on the fringes of it. He has found his level.
 
Sure it is. Short memories here, so it would seem...unless you're just fukking with me like a poster a few months ago who laughed at the ingestion that Bale was anywhere near the class on Nani. (And I do remember who that was.)

To be clear, I've never been a big fan of Howard. He's a bit of a head case and made an unforgivable error v Porto, but he's regarded as one of the better keepers in the league and has been for quite some time. I'm guessing 5 or 6 seasons with Everton now, maybe longer.

Lloris
De Gea
Hart
Cech
Cesar
Begovic
Vorm
Krul

In my opinion, all the above keepers are better than him.
 
Not having Vorm or Krul ahead of Tim Howard, not for me anyway.

Me neither. Vorm and Krul were exceptional last season but it remains to be seen if they can replicate that.

T-Ho's been a consistant performer for Everton for years now.
 
Mignolet at Sunderland is having a very good season as well.

Howard is definitely among the better keepers in the league though. I'd have him in the 2nd layer after the top 3/4 keepers.

Can't remember him dropping too many clangers at Everton and he is a decent shot stopper too. Would certainly have him above a Cesar or Vorm, imo. Probably ahead of Krul too who is having a mixed season even though he is young with good potential.

Edit - People's judgement on Howard gets a bit clouded with his time on here.
 
Lloris
De Gea
Hart
Cech
Cesar
Begovic
Vorm
Krul

In my opinion, all the above keepers are better than him.

De Gea, Hart, Cech without any question whatsoever.

After that, it's a tossup on Begovic. No way Krul, Vorm and Cesar. No way Reina.

Look, Howard is a very good keeper. He's been at the "top of the second tier" for at least 6 or so seasons. My problem with him, primarily, was his disastrous performance for us v Porto when we were in the pole position to win it that season. But that was a long, long time ago and he's a better keeper now than he was United's keeper. It's madness denying that he's one of the better keepers in the league and that he's has been consistently very good (though not good enough by United standards) since he left us.
 
De Gea, Hart, Cech without any question whatsoever.

After that, it's a tossup on Begovic. No way Krul, Vorm and Cesar. No way Reina.

Look, Howard is a very good keeper. He's been at the "top of the second tier" for at least 6 or so seasons. My problem with him, primarily, was his disastrous performance for us v Porto when we were in the pole position to win it that season. But that was a long, long time ago and he's a better keeper now than he was United's keeper. It's madness denying that he's one of the better keepers in the league and that he's has been consistently very good (though not good enough by United standards) since he left us.

Well, at least you've climbed down from calling him one of the league's elite keepers, and also changed your mind that De Gea actually is better than him.

He's not really any better than Ben Foster. That's no slight on him, it's just his level.
 
Well, at least you've climbed down from calling him one of the league's elite keepers, and also changed your mind that De Gea actually is better than him.

He's not really any better than Ben Foster. That's no slight on him, it's just his level.

Confusion has descended like a fog in San Francisco in July. Allow me to be clear:

I do now and have always believed De Gea is a much better keeper than Tim Howard.

I do now and have believed for many years that Howard is one of the top keepers in the English prem. He's short of the level Cech and VDS set, and short of Reina at his peak four seasons ago. And he's short of the level established by Hart, but he's an outstanding keeper. But I'm still pissed about Porto.
 
Really solid performance. I think you can see where the hype came from in Spain. His performances against Real really showed his ability but it worries me how well he actually played. I feel if Barca came out for him at the end of the season with them losing Valdes he would fit into the spanish game with ease.

Not saying that will happen but I could see a spanish team come knocking for him at some point?
 
Yes wondering where you have been over the past year. He is back with his courtesy post of slagging our keeper even though there was nothing he can do about it.
 
Felt he was a bit slow on the Modric goal, otherwise might have pulled off one of his spectaculars. Diego Lopez was their top man.

That's a bit harsh I feel; the trajectory on the shot was unreal.

Modric managed to get it up and over Evra's head and then dip really sharply. De Gea was unsighted at best, he couldn't have seen it until after it had passed Evra at the earliest.
 
Felt he was a bit slow on the Modric goal, otherwise might have pulled off one of his spectaculars. Diego Lopez was their top man.


What the fukk? De Gea almost pulled off a magical save off an incredible shot. No other keeper on earth would have gotten as close to the ball as De Gea did.
 
Felt he was a bit slow on the Modric goal, otherwise might have pulled off one of his spectaculars. Diego Lopez was their top man.

You seriously need to get your fecking head sorted out. And werent you the one who said Gordon is one of the best in the world or was that goldenballs?
 
That's a bit harsh I feel; the trajectory on the shot was unreal.

Modric managed to get it up and over Evra's head and then dip really sharply. De Gea was unsighted at best, he couldn't have seen it until after it had passed Evra at the earliest.

I'm probably being unfair, as it couldn't have been easy to see. It was struck well and had decent curl. He just needed a finger touch probably to make the difference. There wasn't any question of length, it was just timing.

He's capable of it ... right ?
 
I'm probably being unfair, as it couldn't have been easy to see. It was struck well and had decent curl. He just needed a finger touch probably to make the difference. There wasn't any question of length, it was just timing.

He's capable of it ... right ?

He covered the whole goal in perfect timing, the ball had to hit 2cm of the post to go in, and it did
 
Felt he was a bit slow on the Modric goal, otherwise might have pulled off one of his spectaculars. Diego Lopez was their top man.

Oh for feck sake. Look who is back, talking balls in the DDG thread. And a ridiculous time you picked to criticise.

Was to blame for nothing whatsoever tonight.
 
You seriously need to get your fecking head sorted out. And werent you the one who said Gordon is one of the best in the world or was that goldenballs?

Might have been goldenballs too ...anyway, I'm not here to talk about Gordon, as unfortunately for him it looks like his career is finished. Sad for any player to see it end that way. He actually had a very similar career path and abilities, albeit without the benefit of decent defenders in front of him. Anyway, I don't want to get into that, and I've got nothing more to say on this subject ...

Edit: Actually, and I'm sure there will be even more seethe with this little footnote but I just saw it again, and he's actually got his positioning slightly wrong ... Modric, right-footed is running to the right and a few yards right of centre yet DDG is at best centre positioned, possibly even a step the wrong way, to his right.

It would be churlish to blame him but if you're going over it with him after, from a coaching perspective I think it is only fair to point this out if he's t improve, and that is what ll would like to see.
 
Give the feck over. You're talking bollocks, and probably the only person in the world trying to place any blame on DDG for that goal. Pull your head in.
 
Actually thought he had a very quiet game today. A couple of shots straight at him at the end from a down trodden looking Ronaldo but apart from that his only real involvement was picking the ball out of his net after two shots he could do nothing to stop.
 
Yep, not his most active night. If he saves Modric's shot its save of the season. Yes I'm sure hes capable of it, but it was a great effort
 
I'm probably being unfair, as it couldn't have been easy to see. It was struck well and had decent curl. He just needed a finger touch probably to make the difference. There wasn't any question of length, it was just timing.

He's capable of it ... right ?

Seriously, MP, there isn't a sliver of daylight you can find to criticize De Gea for that goal. At most, you can say if anyone on the planet could save it that person would be De Gea. But it was not a saveable shot.
 
Seriously, MP, there isn't a sliver of daylight you can find to criticize De Gea for that goal. At most, you can say if anyone on the planet could save it that person would be De Gea. But it was not a saveable shot.

He is not to blame for it, but every shot is savable.
 
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