In David We Trust.
David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances
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I can't remember who it was, but someone on Sky was praising Begovic and said 'he's had 2-3 years PL experience and now you're seeing a solid GK who is better than he was when he first started in the PL'. Went onto say he'd be perfect for United.
You'd think the same logic of patience and waiting to let a young GK develop his attributes would apply to DDG? Everyone but current/ex-goalkeepers have been over the top with their criticism of DDG. I'll bet my mortgage they'll all be eating their words in 2-3 years time when he's established as one of the best in the world.
You'd think the same logic of patience and waiting to let a young GK develop his attributes would apply to DDG? Everyone but current/ex-goalkeepers have been over the top with their criticism of DDG. I'll bet my mortgage they'll all be eating their words in 2-3 years time when he's established as one of the best in the world.
I feel sorry for him to be honest. He's working really hard and should be getting some glowing headlines. Even if he was ignored by the press, just not mentioned at all, I'd find it harsh with all the top performances he's put in. But this is something else altogether.
I know that come the end of the season, the only thing that will matter will be the medals he's won, but any professionals probably wants to be judged equally with his peers, it just doesn't seem fair that he has to put up with all this shit.
If he leaves to go back to Spain, I'll be gutted. We've got the young keeper with the most potential at the moment, he's got it in him to become the best, I have no doubt about it, and if he leaves because he's been unsettled and hasn't enjoyed his time here, it'll be a huge waste.
I know that come the end of the season, the only thing that will matter will be the medals he's won, but any professionals probably wants to be judged equally with his peers, it just doesn't seem fair that he has to put up with all this shit.
If he leaves to go back to Spain, I'll be gutted. We've got the young keeper with the most potential at the moment, he's got it in him to become the best, I have no doubt about it, and if he leaves because he's been unsettled and hasn't enjoyed his time here, it'll be a huge waste.
That's a very worrying point.
Absolutely - good post!
Ferguson is a genius at taking pressure away from players though, so hopefully he will find the right encouragement for DDG. He is obviously a huge talent.
The Norwegian commentator on the City liverpool match applauded Hart for not being rash and conceding a penalty once he had been skinned by whoever it was at Liverpool. If that had been DDG who stormed out, miscalculated, he would be ridiculed by the pundits, but in Hart's case, he was actually applauded. How bizarre and ridiculous isn't that? I've seen the same with Hart many times; he boxes the ball in dangerous areas or gives away sloppy rebounds, then a defender or he is able to clear the ball the second time around. Then he is applauded for making a terrific save. When DDG makes a save, gives a rebound but is able to catch it before the attacker, he was somehow sloppy and could have cost a goal.
Frankly, I don't see Hart as any better at dealing with crosses either, but he doesn't get the same stick.
None of this matters, as Fergie and team will back him up all the way. This isn't the first time an United player is subjected to undue pressure by the media. Press nonsense never got to Ronaldo, Becks, Cantona and even Rooney and Keane to some extent, and they all got their share.
He'll be fine, as long as his head is not turned by Barcelona/Madrid offering very high wages.
He'll be fine, as long as his head is not turned by Barcelona/Madrid offering very high wages.
I've never seen papers go after a player like this for no reason before?
I missed the Fulham match, but caught the highlights today.
Did he actually save Ruiz's shot? (the one that hit the post)
He had a couple of very good saves in the game as well.
Did he actually save Ruiz's shot? (the one that hit the post)
He had a couple of very good saves in the game as well.
Yes, the slightest of finger tips to help it onto the post.
Incredible save which, like his save against Chelsea when he clawed Torres' header away, didn't get the attention it deserved.
It is a candidate for the save of the season, but the idiot journalists said that he was defeated there by Ruiz as he didn't touch the ball.
That's where my annoyance comes from. I find media witchunts ridiculous in any case, but when they're fuelled by an actual event, such as Ronaldo's wink at the world cup, Rooney's off field antics, Cantona's... well everything, I understand where it comes from. I don't think they necessarily deserve it, but I understand it.
This media treatment is ridiculous. It's as if they'd all decided from day 1 he's a failure, a mediocre GK and nowhere near good enough to play in the almighty Premier League. When he puts in MotM performances and wins us points, it's seen as a one-off performance, an uncharacteristic one. And when he makes a mistake (and I use the term "mistake" and not clanger voluntarily, he makes mistakes that are made every week in every game), it's used as proof to back up the claims that have been there all along: he's poor. It's an impossible situation, he just can't win. The fact that he's earned us more points than he's cost us is never brought up. The fact he's towards the top of any kind of stat table with his shot stopping isn't mentioned. His kicking ability, which is brilliant, is hardly ever discussed. The fact he's been playing behind a widely unsettled defence for the last 18 months, which is a bit of a first for us, and yet has managed to do pretty well for a kid his age, arriving in the biggest club in the world, with the second most expensive GK in history tag and to replace one of the most successful and respected GKs there has been, is widely dismissed as well (I mean, please don't give any context!).
fecking hell, I'm so annoyed about all this I've gone on a facht rant!
What worries me is that I know SAF is very good at sheltering players from pressure and media criticism. But this seems so random, so gratuitous and so cheap, I just wonder if the Spaniard will be ok with putting up with it for so long.
If we're being quite candid about it, if Barça do come knocking for him, could we really be annoyed with him wanting to leave? It wouldn't be a step down, he'd be going to a team battling for trophies and he'd be playing in a non hostile environment in his home country. I wouldn't blame him, in the actual context.
That's where my annoyance comes from. I find media witchunts ridiculous in any case, but when they're fuelled by an actual event, such as Ronaldo's wink at the world cup, Rooney's off field antics, Cantona's... well everything, I understand where it comes from. I don't think they necessarily deserve it, but I understand it.
This media treatment is ridiculous. It's as if they'd all decided from day 1 he's a failure, a mediocre GK and nowhere near good enough to play in the almighty Premier League. When he puts in MotM performances and wins us points, it's seen as a one-off performance, an uncharacteristic one. And when he makes a mistake (and I use the term "mistake" and not clanger voluntarily, he makes mistakes that are made every week in every game), it's used as proof to back up the claims that have been there all along: he's poor. It's an impossible situation, he just can't win. The fact that he's earned us more points than he's cost us is never brought up. The fact he's towards the top of any kind of stat table with his shot stopping isn't mentioned. The fact he's been playing behind a widely unsettled defence for the last 18 months, which is a bit of a first for us, and yet has managed to do pretty well for a kid his age, arriving in the biggest club in the world, with the second most expensive GK in history tag and to replace one of the most successful and respected GKs there has been, is widely dismissed as well (I mean, please don't give any context!).
fecking hell, I'm so annoyed about all this I've gone on a facht rant!
What worries me is that I know SAF is very good at sheltering players from pressure and media criticism. But this seems so random, so gratuitous and so cheap, I just wonder if the Spaniard will be ok with putting up with it for so long.
If we're being quite candid about it, if Barça do come knocking for him, could we really be annoyed with him wanting to leave? It wouldn't be a step down, he'd be going to a team battling for trophies and he'd be playing in a non hostile environment in his home country. I wouldn't blame him, in the actual context.
Yep, I hated when the media went after Ronaldo after the wink, it was unfair, but he did it, DDG is an innocent, there is no incident, only a media picking on a player for no reason.
The mental strength of De Gea is bloody important. Pundit knobs like Gary Neville and the rest have been paid to criticize him and shake his confidence. Perhaps it's good he doesn't know much english so maybe he doesn't listen to the tabloid trash. If he can ignore all the nonsense and play consistently, soon Begovic will be talking about replacing Reina instead.
Fukk, I hadn't even thought about that!
It's one thing to replace the great Edwin van Der Sar, but quite another to replace the immortal Sir Alex Ferguson.
Why do you always put a double k in feck?
He's Dutch?
Or he's Shhteve McClaren?
It's not for no reason. It's part of the story about United's weaknesses - raising hopes for a competitive League, despite our lead, and SAF's weaknesses - needing to buy half a dozen keepers to get a proper one.
Personally, I was a "De Gea for United" fan since early in his Atletico career. However, I think he still struggles at times to handle a situation the way he thinks a United keeper should handle it. In Spain I rated him as having brilliant judgment and positional sense, and good shotstopping ability. Oddly, for us, it's been the other way round
What's remained unchanged is his temperament. Watch him after a failure (not just after an actual mistake) and you'll see disappointment, you may even see anger. What you don't see is him shrink or panic. He's a keeper
I don't know if he wants to leave, but if he does go, it's a safe bet he'll got to a great club and he'll be absolutely brilliant when he plays us.
I'd say that some of this needless hate from the media is partly because of SAF's somewhat 'iffy' goalkeeper record, rather than DDG himself.
Yeah, some of those criticising him are complete morons, but the goalkeeper record does have a factor and gives them an even bigger platform to pick on the Spaniard. The only way DDG could have avoided this, is if he performed to the standard of VDS from day one. Which was a ridiculously impossible thing to expect from a 21 year old. Nonetheless, there will always be retards that did expect that and they're mostly the people that are spouting out all of this rubbish.
Yeah, some of those criticising him are complete morons, but the goalkeeper record does have a factor and gives them an even bigger platform to pick on the Spaniard. The only way DDG could have avoided this, is if he performed to the standard of VDS from day one. Which was a ridiculously impossible thing to expect from a 21 year old. Nonetheless, there will always be retards that did expect that and they're mostly the people that are spouting out all of this rubbish.
I hope he gets to lift a trophy this season, I reckon he'd definitely get one of the biggest cheers from United fans. I actually got into an argument with some friends at the weekend about DDG. As a group we can usually have a good discussion about football without anyone being overly biased, but I lost it when one said "he's shit". Those were the actual words. He couldn't reference any 'howlers' when I asked, and when I mentioned he was the best shot stopper last season he just changed the subject. His critics are so ingrained in mainstream media, that now it's just what everyone believes. You can show them proof and they'll still deny it.
He is going to be amazing one day. However, I fear that's going to be at another club - I wouldn't blame him if he wanted to leave due to the media.
He can't really read English. I doubt the media bother him.
I am sure he must have some knowledge of English. I mean he has been in England for almost two years. I know he hasn't done any English interviews but I am pretty sure he can read the papers a little.
His English seems to be fine when he tweets the odd message in english. Obviously there's no way of knowing who actually tweets, but it doesn't look like one of those PR accounts. Still, it doesn't mean he bothers reading the papers. Or cares.
The Spaniards tend to have good mental attributes.
Racist!
God forbid he makes an actual error today, especially against the team that stopped us winning the title last season (more horseshit). Just reading the Joe Hart thread got me so annoyed. It's obvious that some people will favour Hart because he's English, but that fact that everyone in media (barring United fans and Schmeichel) still refuse to give De Gea any meaningful praise is ridiculous.
DDG will take a long time before convincing the pundits and journos in general. I hope and think that he's shielded from all that bullshit, United is the best club when it comes to protecting its players
I think he'll win world player of the year before premier league pundits and journalists cotton on to the fact that he's a very good goalkeeper
The only doubt with De Gea is the club's ability to hold on to him long term.
DDG is in the same boat as Nani in terms of being shat on by the media and not recognised even when they play well.
Not the best comparison I have heard as DDG generally plays well - wheras Nani hasn't really been good for well over a year now
10/11 when Nani was playing really well before his injury and you still had people like Oliver Holt in the media saying he was crap
The press can't compliment him without giving him a slap. Comments like "thats better from DDG?" OR "even though the defence don't have confidence in him saves like this will help"
Can't wait to see all the faces in the media react when the tide of opinion starts to flow with DDG and Hart. Will be music to our ears I tell you.
They dismiss all his saves as well 'but we know he's a good shot stopper'
Media media media media cry cry cry sob sob son wank wank wank
What's that supposed to mean? Don't you think that de Gea has been treated harshly by the media?
I'm guessing it's a critique on the repetitive nature of this thread.
The criticism of DDG by the media could well benefit us in the long-term.
No doubt his focus levels will be higher than if he was getting praise.
I'm just glad we've got him, and hope he's here for good.
His distribution was superb. Almost got an assist to the assist to the assist to the assist had RVP scored.
Made a couple of good saves as well. Glad he kept another clean sheet.
Made a couple of good saves as well. Glad he kept another clean sheet.
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