David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances

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To add to that Snow, one MAJOR detail that is not being talked about enough is how tottenham got the ball which led to their goal. That was between Rafael and Valencia. But of course, all blame rests at the hands of de Gea.
 
I reckon we'll replace him in the summer. SAF isn't known for showing extreme patience with 'keepers, even if they deserve it.

Just a gut feeling *shrug*.

Don't see it, not when we paid 18m for him. Saying he might thrive in another league doesn't really mean anything, it's a fact. He probably would thrive in a less physical league, you can say that about any player. That doesn't mean he won't adapt to the Premier League.
 
If we were to replace him, it would be seen as a massive error on the clubs part - there's no other 21/22 year old in the world that could be expected to play error free at such a stage in their career.
 
I reckon we'll replace him in the summer. SAF isn't known for showing extreme patience with 'keepers, even if they deserve it.

Just a gut feeling *shrug*.

Fair enough if it is a gut feeling. Nobody can deny the old gut.

But the only way I could see him being sold is if SAF retires and we get a new manager in who thinks he is shite. Could you honestly see anyone viewing him as 'shite' or not good enough on potential?

He works hard and he is definitely improving and growing as a player.

Fergie isn't going to part with that kind of talent. He's not known as one of the best managers that ever lived by throwing away handfuls of talent bought in at large prices because the club can afford to discard it. He's famous for nurturing great talent and sticking with his big purchases because they are well studied and need to be tended.

Not having a go at you but I have a load of my mates all saying 'gone' and 'definitely gone in the summer.. Rubbish'.

It's just regurgitated media bollocks and it gets to a point where it genuinely shits me having to hear such whiffy bollocks.
 
If we were to replace him, it would be seen as a massive error on the clubs part - there's no other 21/22 year old in the world that could be expected to play error free at such a stage in their career.

True, and besides, who would we replace him with? The market ain't exactly flooded with top goalies looking for a move. Now if Buffon decided to end his career at United, fair enough, but this lad will mature into one of the best.
 
Buffon just signed a new deal at Juve today, so I'd agree with you that there's nobody we could realistically sign that I'd be happy with replacing him.
 
He was signed with the knowledge that he wouldn't be the finished article for some time. The idea that we'd give up on him after two seasons is ridiculous. I'd like to know who we'd be replacing him with exactly??

SAF of all people understands how young players develop, he'd surely be expecting De Gea to make a few mistakes here and there. Personally I think we've already seen him develop and come on since the beginning of the 11/12 season. You can't expect him to be a world beater over night.
 
To add to that Snow, one MAJOR detail that is not being talked about enough is how tottenham got the ball which led to their goal. That was between Rafael and Valencia. But of course, all blame rests at the hands of de Gea.

:rolleyes:

It's certainly been talked about enough.

FFS it was one goal. Leave it be.
 
He went up to make the best possible contact he could with the ball whilst coming over two 1.9 metre CBs, and he did exactly that. It was a difficult situation caused by crap defending and he did the best he could, and was bloody unlucky. I'm not seeing how he's made a 'mistake'.

Chabon, you ask the right question...what exactly was the "mistake"?

Some people have a hard time with word choice. We're all posts, not filing legal briefs, so there's bound to be some confusion in what is being written. The word "mistake" is being wildly misused in this situation.

It's quite reasonable to lament that Lennon got to De Gea's clearance, but De Gea's clearance was no "mistake". He punched it wide of the goal and had to deal with getting over his defender in doing so. De Gea did not lunch the ball into the middle of the box. The ball was in no way catchable. He did no less IMHO than Hart or Cech could have done under identical circumstances. When, in life, you do the best that anyone could have done in identical circumstances, it is by no means a "mistake" even if an unfortunate event follows.

Sometimes the opposition gets a bit of luck and outworks us on the play. THAT is exactly what happened on the goal.
 
We would be insane to give up on him, you have to expect mistakes when signing a GK who is so young and lets be truthful they are occasional mistakes and I think far too much blame is been placed on DDG for the Spurs goals. If we aren't willing to be patient then we should never have attempted to sign him because it was obvious some mistakes would happen (just like they did with VDS who is a legend) and he is already playing well beyond his years IMO.
 
Chabon, you ask the right question...what exactly was the "mistake"?

Some people have a hard time with word choice. We're all posts, not filing legal briefs, so there's bound to be some confusion in what is being written. The word "mistake" is being wildly misused in this situation.

It's quite reasonable to lament that Lennon got to De Gea's clearance, but De Gea's clearance was no "mistake". He punched it wide of the goal and had to deal with getting over his defender in doing so. De Gea did not lunch the ball into the middle of the box. The ball was in no way catchable. He did no less IMHO than Hart or Cech could have done under identical circumstances. When, in life, you do the best that anyone could have done in identical circumstances, it is by no means a "mistake" even if an unfortunate event follows.

Sometimes the opposition gets a bit of luck and outworks us on the play. THAT is exactly what happened on the goal.

So you are saying that you know for sure that no one else could have done better with their punch?

Also, he could have chosen not to come if he wasn't going to make it his mission to do everything he could have - which is taking out anyone in front of him to get that ball completely out of the danger area.

The word mistake is not being misused - it's a difference in opinion of what constitutes a mistake.

If you really want to analyze it then his timing was off - he could have caught the ball at a higher trajectory but, instead caught it while he was swinging downwards - thus not getting the clearance he wanted.

But, for most people that think he made a mistake, myself included, he didn't go in aggressive enough. If he had then perhaps would have got the ball out a lot further out of the danger area.
 
F365 said:
There is, of course, much to admire about the football media in this country.

There's the creative chutzpah of the transfer rumour business, a heady cavalcade of rare truth, occasional half-truth, and frequent, badly-concealed nonsense. There's the cojones it takes to attach the word EXCLUSIVE to stories so worn that Jeffrey Archer would blush. There's the inspirational patriotism that fuels England's triumphalist march to international tournaments, and the inspirational patriotism that fuels the righteous crusade against whichever hapless foreigner was at fault in the quarter-final.

Then, of course, there's the televisual analysis. Whether it's the no-nonsense narrative style of Alan Shearer - "See the ball. See the man kick the ball. See the ball go in the goal" - the light-hearted quippery of Mark "Lawro" Lawrenson, or the obscene trouser topography of Jamie Redknapp, England's pundits are second-to-none in their professionalism, their insight, and their devotion to their jobs. The latest addition to this proud lineage is Gary Neville, who finally earned his spurs this weekend after turning his educated and analytical eye toward David de Gea, Manchester United, and Tottenham Hotspur's late equaliser.

There can be no doubt that David de Gea, in general terms, is a failure. Since joining United, he has overtly and blatantly failed to be either Peter Schmeichel or Edwin van der Sar. He has failed to demonstrate the nous of a 35-year-old veteran, completely lacked the physical presence of a significantly larger man, and shown no trace of having been raised in a footballing culture that holds crosses in almost as high regard as the mistrust of foreigners. All this has been exacerbated by his habit of rotating and injuring the defenders in front of him, and his refusal to instantly turn into a significantly better player. It's no wonder that this season has been marked by risible errors, including the hilarious fumble against Sunderland, when he ushered Adam Johnson's speculative and feeble shot into the net at the near post. (That was him, wasn't it?)

Entertainingly for us all, this litany of failure has come while playing for Manchester United, which means he's on the television a lot. This, in turn, makes him a prime target for one of the proudest and most glorious traditions of English football analysis: the ancient and noble art of looking at people's faces and talking about what they look like.

The great strength of such phizognology is its flexibility. Where fussier schools of thought might require conclusions based on firm ground, or some kind of logical derivation, coupon-scrivening revels in its idiosyncrasy. The grand diversity of human expression and action means that it is impossible to be wrong. Whatever you see, you can work with. "If we pause it here, just after the goal's gone in, you can see Nemanja Vidic...

"... smiling, as he mocks the very idea of David de Gea being good enough for Manchester United."

"... crying, as he laments the once-proud institution that was Manchester United's goalkeeping shirt, currently draped around the slumped shoulders of Ferguson's folly."

"... making no movement at all, as he professionally keeps the contemptuous sneer from his features."

"... dropping to all-fours, mooing like a cow, and trying to eat the green grass of the pitch, which just goes to show the effect David de Gea's shaky presence is having on his team-mates' mental well-being. Oh look, Rio Ferdinand's trying to milk him. Silly Rio."

You have to admire the craft. As a story, 'Footballer looks angry after conceding late equaliser' ranks somewhere between Papal defecation locations and the religious leanings of Winnie-the-Pooh. But that didn't stop Neville! It was refreshing to see the former Manchester United man abandon the 'rigour' and 'insight' for which he's been developing a rather unsavoury reputation. He's learning. He's blossoming. He's starting to fully embrace how things are done.

Rational and even-handed analysis of Manchester United's retreating backline and the culpability of not only De Gea but Vidic and Antonio Valencia might have been nice. It would also have been dull. But a breakdown in trust? An expensive flop? A dressing-room divided? And all brought to you by the faultless, perfect, truth-enhancing power of television? Marvellous. Just zoom in on his face there...

A pretty accurate view of this whole De Gea fiasco.
 
Expect a bid from Madrid today - Casillas has broken his finger - out for at least a month. They'll want to level the playing field for the CL.
 
Expect a bid from Madrid today - Casillas has broken his finger - out for at least a month. They'll want to level the playing field for the CL.

So, Adan will play for them against us. Good for us.
 
Not far behind Tremmel is the third most expensive goalkeeper in footballing history; Manchester United's oft-criticised David De Gea. People regularly focus on the young Spaniard's flaws when coming for crosses rather than the great shot-stopping abilities that were on show, in particular, in United's recent draw at Tottenham. While he was once again unconvincing under crosses, he excelled when facing attempts on goal, many of them from close range. His save success rate of 78.7% is the joint 4th best in Europe's top 5 leagues

http://www.whoscored.com/Blog/cn_uy...w/Player-Focus-Goalkeepers-Save-Success-Rates
 
Why's Schmeichel wearing a United training top with his initials on it btw?
 
I imagine his exit rumours will escalate a bit after the transcript of what his girlfriend, Edurne, had to say on a TV program tonight in Spain
 
F365 said:
There can be no doubt that David de Gea, in general terms, is a failure. Since joining United, he has overtly and blatantly failed to be either Peter Schmeichel or Edwin van der Sar. He has failed to demonstrate the nous of a 35-year-old veteran, completely lacked the physical presence of a significantly larger man, and shown no trace of having been raised in a footballing culture that holds crosses in almost as high regard as the mistrust of foreigners. All this has been exacerbated by his habit of rotating and injuring the defenders in front of him, and his refusal to instantly turn into a significantly better player. It's no wonder that this season has been marked by risible errors, including the hilarious fumble against Sunderland, when he ushered Adam Johnson's speculative and feeble shot into the net at the near post. (That was him, wasn't it?)

:lol:
 
Why's Schmeichel wearing a United training top with his initials on it btw?

he trains with us, and actually held an u15s training session yesterday or the day before alongside Dwight Yorke.

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I imagine his exit rumours will escalate a bit after the transcript of what his girlfriend, Edurne, had to say on a TV program tonight in Spain

What was this? I heard she still says in Madrid.
 
From Sport (sorry for the translation, from Google Translate):

"David is very well at Manchester United, but of course you would like to return to Spain and if Barca, even better." David is David de Gea, the Manchester United goalkeeper present. And who said that's Edurne, singer and player's girlfriend.

Edurne was this Thursday on "Aruscity" of "8TV". And the journalist asked about the alleged interest of Barca by taking the services of her boyfriend, now that you know that should find a substitute to Victor Valdes.

Interestingly, in addition, these statements were made the same day that England are intensifying rumors about the reason for the poor performance of De Gea at United. According to several media of that country, one of the reasons that explain this weak performance would be missing goalkeeper to Edurne, who has been living in Madrid, while he is in Manchester.

http://www.sport.es/es/noticias/barca/edurne-gea-gustaria-volver-espana-mas-barca-2301672

Basically saying he would like to return to Spain and play for Barca.
 
Found this on twitter. RT @FCBarcelonaFl: Edurne (De Gea's girlfriend)"David is doing well at United but of course he'd like to return to Spain, and if it's Barça, even better" (8TV)

Sounds like shit?
 
he trains with us, and actually held an u15s training session yesterday or the day before alongside Dwight Yorke.

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Cheers. Always nice to see legends like Schmeichel coming back to the club.

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You gotta be kidding? If De Gea leaves us this summer then for sure he will be seen as a failure. Stay here and he can leave a positive mark.
Are those quotes by his gf genuine btw?
 
Cheers. Always nice to see legends like Schmeichel coming back to the club.

Ontopic:
You gotta be kidding? If De Gea leaves us this summer then for sure he will be seen as a failure. Stay here and he can leave a positive mark.
Are those quotes by his gf genuine btw?

He won't worry too much about being called a failure by some English journos when he's playing for Barcelona.

That has me worried to be fair. We all know Valdes is going to leave within the next 18 months and Barcelona will probably start looking at Spanish goalkeepers first, and there's no one that would fit the bill more than de Gea.
 
gonna be hilarious if he leaves us for Barcelona and then inevitably does well..

Our media will then revel in how much of a mistake it was to sell him.
 
He won't worry too much about being called a failure by some English journos when he's playing for Barcelona.

That has me worried to be fair. We all know Valdes is going to leave within the next 18 months and Barcelona will probably start looking at Spanish goalkeepers first, and there's no one that would fit the bill more than de Gea.

Well they can pay us 35 million then because the only way he is going is for a big profit!!
 
Found this on twitter. RT @FCBarcelonaFl: Edurne (De Gea's girlfriend)"David is doing well at United but of course he'd like to return to Spain, and if it's Barça, even better" (8TV)

Sounds like shit?

Shit, no, meaningful, no. It's from a Barcelona newspaper so she told him what he wants to hear.
 
He won't worry too much about being called a failure by some English journos when he's playing for Barcelona.

That has me worried to be fair. We all know Valdes is going to leave within the next 18 months and Barcelona will probably start looking at Spanish goalkeepers first, and there's no one that would fit the bill more than de Gea.

This could be a once in a lifetime opportunity for him. The goalkeeper position of the best team in the world will be vacant in the summer. De Gea knows the Spanish liga, the weather in Spain is usually nice, rich culture as well. He will be closer to his family, friends and relatives. No need to learn the language. No doubt he will be handsomely paid by Barca.

I'm not sure if there will be less pressure in Spain. He will still play for Barcelona.

Now there are quotes by his gf, who's living in Spain at the moment and not in England. feck, I'm a bit worried now.
 
I can't believe we're talking about this so early into his career here.
 
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