David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances

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SteveJ said:
I meant Reina and Valdes. I just don't consider them to be outstanding.

In a way, Barca remind me of the great Brazilian national sides, in that it doesn't much matter if their goalie is good, bad or average.
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Valdes is not average in the sense that he suits Barca perfectly. He's willing to play the ball with his feet rather than playing hoofball.

There is no way they'd go for Reina as he's no where near as comfortable with the ball at his feet. He's looked more nervy as Liverpool have tried a more play from the back approach.


De Gea would be amazing for Barca. Teams in Spain don't cross the ball as much so he'd be good in that regard. His distribution is first class so he'd be good playing from the back. All he really needs to be is a good shot stopper which he already is.
 
Sounds like he's going to be the topic of discussion on Adrian Durham's show on Talksport. I'm going to listen but I know I'm going to end up angry.
 
Castia said:
The Gary Neville verdict on him was pretty brutal last night. He showed the United players moaning at De Gea after the goal went in. Vidic looked like he wanted to knock him out to be fair he stared him out for about 8 seconds.

Neville ''he Isn't staring at him because he fancies him Ed'' :lol:
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I watched that too and was pretty surprised. You can take any side you want on whether De Gea was entirely responsible for the goal, but Nevs is right that Vidic and Evra (and Welbeck, but come on) both gave De Gea the evil eye.

While I don't want to blame everyone else for the goal -- my assessment of the truth is that Spurs benefitted from a bit of luck and bit of extra hustle -- there was a bit of a collective breakdown on the back like on that play...and had De Gea only gotten an extra yard or two on the punch Lennon wouldn't have been able to make that play on the ball. But it's not as though Vidic or Evra or Rio were entirely "at fault" either. They all busted ass but just got outworked on the play. Shit happens.
 
How many "dodgy" players are Real and Barca after?
If he is no good, surely he'd be getting linked with smaller clubs, not the two most powerful clubs in one of the top leagues!
It's about time SAF gave the press a good fecking, and tell them to shut up.
 
According to the English media, he costs United too many points, yet he's good enough for Barcelona.

It's laughable.
 
Paul Parker weighed in with pretty much the same opinion.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/paul-parker/gea-could-cost-united-title-124612999.html

I disagree with them, I don't think he will cost you the title as I think his contribution is enough, and I certainly don't agree he should be dropped loaned or sold because in their opinion ' he will cost United the title' Even if he did somehow do that, he seems worth entrusting to get better and lead United in the future.
 
It's just so unjustified, the criticism he gets.

We'd have lost to Tottenham if it wasn't for him...

Really hope he proves all his critics wrong before he leaves England.
 
What's irritating is that last season the narrative was 'Well he's a good shot stopper, but shite aerially'. This season he's made very few mistakes aerially but as soon as he does people act is if there's been no improvement there. They want to deal in absolutes. 'He's awful and not good enough for United'. If he improved as much aerially between now and this time next year as he has in the year before he'd be one of the better keepers in the league in that respect.
 
We've got a walkover midfield, defence like a sieve, misfiring wingers and a keeper who's not cut out for this level - amazing how we're top of the league :rolleyes:
 
Zen86 said:
We've got a walkover midfield, defence like a sieve, misfiring wingers and a keeper who's not cut out for this level - amazing how we're top of the league :rolleyes:
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We'd be mid-table without Robin Van Persie according to City.
 
Brophs said:
What's irritating is that last season the narrative was 'Well he's a good shot stopper, but shite aerially'. This season he's made very few mistakes aerially but as soon as he does people act is if there's been no improvement there. They want to deal in absolutes. 'He's awful and not good enough for United'. If he improved as much aerially between now and this time next year as he has in the year before he'd be one of the better keepers in the league in that respect.
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Reina was averaging a gaffe a game earlier on in the season. Barely got any media coverage at all.

I think De Gea's been comfortably amongst the top 5 goalkeepers in the prem this season, yet its like he's another Heurelho Gomes.
 
verminater said:
How many "dodgy" players are Real and Barca after?
If he is no good, surely he'd be getting linked with smaller clubs, not the two most powerful clubs in one of the top leagues!
It's about time SAF gave the press a good fecking, and tell them to shut up.
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Agreed.

Who the fukk are we to tell Fergie how to manage his club but this is a good time to express full support for his keeper.
 
By doing that verm it would unfortunately increase the pressure on DDG.
 
ItsEssexRob said:
The trouble is that DDG is so scrutinized in the media, and always criticized so it leads to an over protection on here and amongst some fans.

Yes its ridiculous the amount of flak he cops.

Yes hes an excellent shot stopper

However hes not perfect, he does have an issue, and I think the fact that both sides are becoming so polarized is causing a blindness to whats actually the case. He either seems to be a 'failure and no good in England' according to the media, , or the best GK in the world and never at fault for any of the goals according to a lot here.

Neither are true.

The guy is only 22, why don't people get off his back from either calling him useless or one of the best in the world, because both cause an immense amount of pressure, and give him a chance to actually sort himself out.
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Nice to see these sort of views from a rival fan. It's like the media are collectively trying their absolute hardest to make De Gea fail and completely collapse under the pressure. It's pretty evil stuff.
 
LR7 said:
Do Vidic and De Gea need to work on their partnership a bit more? They haven't played a whole lot of games together because of Vidic's injuries but I get the impression that Vidic maybe tries to overcompensate by going for balls he should leave for De Gea to deal with. Perhaps they could communicate better in these situations and maybe Vidic gets in the way a bit in certain circumstances by trying to do too much.

It's not just from what Gary Neville said but I get the impression that there is a slight lack of trust on Vidic's part and it has the potential to lead to errors like the Fulham OG.
I'm sure it's something they can/will work on and develop as they play more games together and build a familiarity with each other because despite this it hasn't lead to too many problems so far anyway, such occurrences have been few and far between.
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I think you're onto something here.
 
Reina could be our keeper and he wouldn't receive nearly anything remotely close to what DDG is experiencing now. The media are going for blood. I feel for the lad.
 
Yeah I feel for him in a sense, but I hope he has the character to ignore the bullshit, I'm sure he's had numerous talks with SAF, and knows exactly what to work on.
 
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The amount of stick the lad gets is ridiculous. He's only 22 and everyone's expecting him to be the finished product. Insanity.

Welbeck's only 22, but he sure as hell doesn't get half the stick from his teammates or the media (granted, he didn't come with a huge price tag) from missing a chance when he's through on goal, which he does fairly consistently.
 
The narrative seems to be set in stone and it's going to take a couple of amazing seasons for the view to change. And even when it does there'll be a caveat about the 'dodgy start to his career'.

I'd love to know what the average journo and pundit in football earns. It's a travesty that these lazy, unprofessional mugs can make such an easy living from football.
 
This media campaign is so tiresome.. I really don't want the lad to go, not yet. He was fine for the majority of the game and he's incredibly young for a top keeper in a physically demanding league. The more worrying thing is this 'homesickness' issue, for if its true.. we're probably best of cutting our losses in that respect, what's the point of persisting with him during his development phase if his best years will be spent elsewhere.
 
Though it would do my heart in and I hate penalty shootouts, it'd be badass if we won a CL after extratime and penalties and he stopped a couple. Though it probably wouldn't get the media off his back anyway.
 
I didn't realise how big it was until I searched Google... It's everywhere, isn't it? Fergie's lost faith, De Gea's on his way out... Every fecking newspaper. What is it with those people? There's no way such a thing would come out of our coaching staff. What would be the point?
 
Zen86 said:
We've got a walkover midfield, defence like a sieve, misfiring wingers and a keeper who's not cut out for this level - amazing how we're top of the league :rolleyes:
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Good job SAF keeps handing out those thick brown envelopes really.
 
LR7 said:
Do Vidic and De Gea need to work on their partnership a bit more? They haven't played a whole lot of games together because of Vidic's injuries but I get the impression that Vidic maybe tries to overcompensate by going for balls he should leave for De Gea to deal with. Perhaps they could communicate better in these situations and maybe Vidic gets in the way a bit in certain circumstances by trying to do too much.

It's not just from what Gary Neville said but I get the impression that there is a slight lack of trust on Vidic's part and it has the potential to lead to errors like the Fulham OG.
I'm sure it's something they can/will work on and develop as they play more games together and build a familiarity with each other because despite this it hasn't lead to too many problems so far anyway, such occurrences have been few and far between.
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I felt the goal against Fulham was Vidic's fault and I think you're right that Vidic is unaccustomed to playing with De Gea having been out virtually for all of 2012, which is when De Gea really stepped up.

That being said I think the goal against Spurs came about because De Gea hesitated to clear out whatever was in front of him to get the ball in that situation you have to be willing to take out red shirts as a keeper. Big Pete or VDS would not have hesitated to go knee first into the crowd and smash that ball with a strong fist. You can blame that on De Gea's inexperience or you can insinuate he doesn't like the rough stuff.

All the speculation about keepers is garbage because all the names being chucked about are arguably worse shot stoppers than De Gea and no more commanding in the air. The basic fact of the matter is the Latin/Spanish names we're being linked to are used to ball on the floor e.g. Casillas flaps like pigeon's wing when high crosses come into the box. If we're not ready for De Gea to bulk up and learn how to deal with the aerial threat in the English game it'd be useless going out and buying another keeper worse than him at reaction saves and no better in the air. We may as well buy British and accept we prefer big strong goalies and don't care about technique, distribution and starting attacks from the back.
 
I am fed up with the media agenda on De Gea, ok it was a weak punch but there wasn't a lot else he could have done.
 
stand_free said:
I am fed up with the media agenda on De Gea, ok it was a weak punch but there wasn't a lot else he could have done.
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Well you can blame Gary Neville on this one. He has pretty much lead the criticism this time round.

But apart from that it was always going to be the case. He was an expensive keeper for a huge club. Everything is higlighted more so and he has dropped a few clangers in fairness.
 
I know the media are totally destroying him this week, but what I don't understand is how they keep linking us to Valdes :lol: If it did come down to us letting de Gea go (which we wont) then the last keeper we would go for would be Victor bloody Valdes. The same media that crucify de Gea every week, and fabricate more mistakes he's made as they go along (Swansea) think we will go for Valdes who would give us the same problems from crosses, even though I think ddg has considerably improved in dealing with them, obviously there is still work to be done and he has time to get it right. Valdes is in his 30s, and has always been a bit dodgy.
 
mlclauhk said:
The amount of stick the lad gets is ridiculous. He's only 22 and everyone's expecting him to be the finished product. Insanity.

Welbeck's only 22, but he sure as hell doesn't get half the stick from his teammates or the media (granted, he didn't come with a huge price tag) from missing a chance when he's through on goal, which he does fairly consistently.
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Wellbeck isn't your first choice striker though is he? I'd say he is your forth choice striker whereas De Gea is your first choice keeper.

The criticism is possibly harsh but to be expected really. For example Giroud at Arsenal is getting a lot of stick, he hasn't the worst season in the world but he is following on from the likes of Bergkamp, Henry & RvP so what we would expect from an Arsenal striker is higher than what Giroud is producing. Same for De Gea, you guys have had Schmeichel and VDS so people will judge him using very high standards. He has the potential to be the best keeper in the world or he could be another Bosnich or Barthez, great shot stoppers & have the ability to pull off world class saves but not the most reliable keepers. If anything maybe he should of come a year earlier and been VDS understudy before taking the position, might of relieved some pressure on him.
 
Luckily for us we have Sir Alex as manager and he always sticks by the talented youngsters. You can trust Sir Alex won't listen to a thing the media are saying and he probably would have had a word with Neville too.

So funny to remember when the media used to say Cristiano Ronaldo was a one trick pony and wouldn't make it. The second he joined Madrid he was suddenly the best thing that we'd ever created.
 
Randall Flagg said:
Well you can blame Gary Neville on this one. He has pretty much lead the criticism this time round.

But apart from that it was always going to be the case. He was an expensive keeper for a huge club. Everything is higlighted more so and he has dropped a few clangers in fairness.
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Gary is a fan and as such he was emotional and angry we had lost 2 points very late. Its the first time his love for the club as taken over when on sky and for the first time Rednapp was far more considered and to be honest more accurate. Virtually all United lovers were the same who can we blame who's fault - hence Fergie at assistant ref, neville at De-Gea, and fans split between 4 or 5 of them depending on their personal likes or dislikes. On this instant blaming De-Gea has been well over the top led by lets aim a kick at Fergie for spending money on a rubbish keeper journalists and some ex United players most are only asked to comment if they like to be critical, Parker, Macari and Magrath top list of those.
 
This is the same media that didn't even pick up the fact Reina got dropped for Brad fecking Jonea earlier this season.
 
jakec said:
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I was there live for the Ramierez one. We all thought it was in and went nearly as wild as we did when Torres missed the Open Goal. Most other keepers would have just accepted it was a goal but he didnt.

His mata save is my favourite though.
 
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