I am also a fan & was emotional & angry we lost 2 points (it's not the first time we've lost points in the last few mins this season either) but I'm not going to blame De Gea. If it wasn't for him we'd have lost the game, so in fact he saved us a point, not lost us 2.
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I am also a fan & was emotional & angry we lost 2 points (it's not the first time we've lost points in the last few mins this season either) but I'm not going to blame De Gea. If it wasn't for him we'd have lost the game, so in fact he saved us a point, not lost us 2.
He did his job for most of the game - that's why we paid all that money for him, to be able to make those top class saves. He did do his job very well but, as Neville says it - when it comes to United - if you do the great job for most of the game and then make a mistake that costs the team points - it's still the person making a mistake costing the team points and they'll know they need to do better.
Hopefully De Gea doesn't look at it from the point of view of well I did save the team a point by performing well earlier in the game and more so that he wasn't strong enough to preserve what everyone in the team, including him, had worked so hard for.
I was listening to Off the Ball last night and they were talking in particular about David De Gea and the critisism received by Gary Neville. Richie Sadlier & Ken Early made some good points especially in relation to Joe Hart.
Joe Hart is lauded as the best keeper in the world by a lot of the English press (if not all) because he is a big strong keeper who is particularly good at dominating his area. However, he lets a lot of goals in that he should really save. His shot stopping is not actually that good.
David De Gea is obviously not as good on crosses. But his shot stopping ability is absolutely amazing.
I don't know how it has come to the point where cross catching ability seems to have become the be all and end all of goalkeeping analysis. To me, shot stopping is even more important.
De Gea is being slagged off in the press for what was essentially a minor mistake. He couldn't have caught the ball and how much of a punch could he realistically have got on it when he had to go through two players, of which one was Nemanja Vidic? Personally, I would have been more concerned with why Rafael darted forward for no reason initially, and also why Patrice Evra disappeared as usual, and why wasn't Dempsey picked up, since he was the obvious danger man. I'd be more concerned about that over why David De Gea was only able to get a ten yard punch and not a fifteen yard punch.
Also, they also made the point that Gary Neville has not critisised English players as much since he has become coach. He doesn't slag off Joe Hart for leaking goals. I remember watching his analysis on the Adam Johnson goal for Sunderland (which was a far bigger mistake that De Gea's) and his critisism was minimal.
Joe Hart is lauded as the best keeper in the world by a lot of the English press (if not all) because he is a big strong keeper who is particularly good at dominating his area. However, he lets a lot of goals in that he should really save. His shot stopping is not actually that good.
David De Gea is obviously not as good on crosses. But his shot stopping ability is absolutely amazing.
I don't know how it has come to the point where cross catching ability seems to have become the be all and end all of goalkeeping analysis. To me, shot stopping is even more important.
De Gea is being slagged off in the press for what was essentially a minor mistake. He couldn't have caught the ball and how much of a punch could he realistically have got on it when he had to go through two players, of which one was Nemanja Vidic? Personally, I would have been more concerned with why Rafael darted forward for no reason initially, and also why Patrice Evra disappeared as usual, and why wasn't Dempsey picked up, since he was the obvious danger man. I'd be more concerned about that over why David De Gea was only able to get a ten yard punch and not a fifteen yard punch.
Also, they also made the point that Gary Neville has not critisised English players as much since he has become coach. He doesn't slag off Joe Hart for leaking goals. I remember watching his analysis on the Adam Johnson goal for Sunderland (which was a far bigger mistake that De Gea's) and his critisism was minimal.
If it wasn't for De Gea in that game, we would have come away with no points, and not the one we did come out with.
I still don't see why Neville didn't ask what the hell the full backs were at, especially as he was one and would probably never have done what either Rafael or Evra did or didn't do in that situation.
it's interesting, de Gea made the same positioning/ anticipation error that Joe Hart made for that goal, but had the reaction speed and agility to save it while Joe Hart dived over the ball.
This season Hart has been as 'dodgy' as de Gea on crosses, despite having a natural physical advantage and a few media figures have pointed out that their back four has been rotated more this year and it's unsettled him... ffs.
As RVP said before the game though, he's disappointed with himself this season because he thinks he's missed some good chances and could have had a higher goal tally by now. He's self-critical, which is understandable, but he's not being criticised by the fans or the media. Likewise with de Gea's performance in the Spurs match; he might rightly be critical of himself despite putting in a fine man-of-the-match performance, professional players should always be internally critical of their own mistakes no matter how much they get right in a game, but for the fans and media to blame de Gea for our dropping two points on Sunday, that's just out of order. Just like a striker who scored a hat trick but perhaps missed a chance later on in a game we eventually drew 3-3, de Gea was absolutely superb against Spurs, only to get unlucky with a small mistake late on in the game; he may well be critical towards himself, but the rest of us should be fecking grateful for his performance on Sunday, because far from costing us two points, in reality he gained us one.
He wouldn't have been blamed for either of the other two saves. One was a deflection that he had to react to quickly (many many keepers are lousy at saving with their feet). If either of those shots had been goals he wouldn't have been to blame no would he? Tottenham created more chances than United, had better ones as well and they manage to draw in the end. Now who's to blame for that? Why didn't the attack create more. Why didn't the midfield keep possession better and why did the defense let in those chances?
Neville is wrong if this is his reasoning and he blames De Gea for the points dropped. A bit like when people blamed Rafael Fletcher and Evra were directly responsible for two goals conceded that could very very easily have been avoided and thus the team would qualify for the next round.
Yet Joe Hart is immune from critisism in the media.
Joe Hart is better on crosses that De Gea. De Gea is a better shot stopper.
Swapping De Gea for Valdes would be the transfer equivalent of getting AIDS.
The term world class, ambiguous as it is, has become bastardized in the past few years.
Valdes is no better at dealing with crosses than DDG.
The media can feck off with their constant bullying of DDG, I hope SAF comes out and tells them DDG is our #1 and that's that.
If Dave was to leave and join Real/Barca fhen, the same press who criticise him now and say he isn't good enough will be creaming themselves over him. cnuts.
The media can feck off with their constant bullying of DDG, I hope SAF comes out and tells them DDG is our #1 and that's that.
If Dave was to leave and join Real/Barca fhen, the same press who criticise him now and say he isn't good enough will be creaming themselves over him. cnuts.
De Gea is way better than Valdes and I wouldn't replace him with any other goalie.
At times like this I completely understand why SAF is the way he is with the media. They've had it in for De Gea since he signed it seems, all I remember being quoted when he arrived was how many goals he'd conceded from long range in La Liga and teams were queuing up to take pot shots from 40 yards in his first few games here.
To be honest, that worked in our favour. Next time we should put out a rumour that RVP is shit in front of open goals.
The narrative was formed mainly because
1. SAF inadequately replaced Schemeichel and the press assumed the same thing would happen with Vds.
2. The press already had a narrative that foreign GKs are not good with dealing with the physicality of the game here
3. De Gea reinforced the above 2 points with some nervy performances especially point as regards to point #2.
4. SAF admitting openly a couple of times to dropping him because of mistakes rather than protecting him like he normally would. SAF has already said that he's happy rotating keepers which gives the press the impression that he doesn't have full confidence in De Gea.
It's going to be very hard for him to shake it off so he might as well not bother and focus on improving his game.
1. SAF inadequately replaced Schemeichel and the press assumed the same thing would happen with Vds.
2. The press already had a narrative that foreign GKs are not good with dealing with the physicality of the game here
3. De Gea reinforced the above 2 points with some nervy performances especially point as regards to point #2.
4. SAF admitting openly a couple of times to dropping him because of mistakes rather than protecting him like he normally would. SAF has already said that he's happy rotating keepers which gives the press the impression that he doesn't have full confidence in De Gea.
It's going to be very hard for him to shake it off so he might as well not bother and focus on improving his game.
Dzekos goal didn't really help though did it but then, if I remember correctly, tottenham or some team tried to shoot from every opportunity they got within 30 yards but they didn't score. That worked well for David it got his confidence up a lot.
It's pretty disgusting the way the media have treated De Gea. So quick to label him a flop, frothing at the mouth at every minor mistake and the pleasure they seem to get from every mistake.
It's frankly appalling.
It's frankly appalling.
I never blamed him for that Dzeko goal personally. I was stood right in line with the original shot at the game, and it moved a crazy amount to DDG's right no more than about 10 yards from goal. I've never seen a replay that truly does justice to quite how much the ball did move.
And yeah it was Tottenham, they spent more time hammering the ball into Tier 2 than actually trying to break down a very young and inexperienced defence.
I remember that game, it was utterly embarrassing on Spurs' part the way they were attempting to shoot from anywhere.
To be fair to Spurs, it was mainly van der Vaart. He had like 9 shots.
Whoever said it up the page was right, Nev's gonna get a right bollocking from a Fergie at some point, and to be frank he deserves it.
I agree that De Gea did perform brilliantly when called upon earlier in the game but, isn't that the point of having him over say any other keeper - so that he can make those saves? But, in the end he undoes some of that work - that's my opinion on the matter.
To me that mistake did cost us two points but, I am not mad about it - it's a mistake hopefully that he will learn from. He did play his part in keeping us in the game but, then so did most everyone else, not just him.
Saying that his mistake is to blame for us dropping 2 points does not make me ungrateful. The kind of saves he made is what I expect out of him because he is that good, I appreciate how good he is and the potential he has but, for him to reach that potential he'll have to do better with situations like the one that ended up conceding and dropping 2 points.
I keep asking this in the thread, and nobody ever answers. What, in precise technical terms, was David De Gea's mistake?
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Not clearing the ball, it's pretty obvious that when a keeper punches the ball away but it lands about 5 foot away at the feet of an opposing player that it is a mistake.
But how could he have cleared it? Either you're criticising the leap, which I find unconvincing, or you're saying he should have, what, had stronger wrists?
I just don't see how he can be said to have made a mistake when he did the best he possibly could in the situation.
I just don't see how he can be said to have made a mistake when he did the best he possibly could in the situation.
He seemed to reach the ball fine enough but I guess he didn't get proper contact with it and sliced it. If he had hit the ball in the center it would of hardly moved to the side would it?
But it's a young keeper who has made a mistake, i'm not massively bothered now because he is clearly improving with time. It's abit daft for people to say that it isn't a mistake though, just accept it and move on.
But it's a young keeper who has made a mistake, i'm not massively bothered now because he is clearly improving with time. It's abit daft for people to say that it isn't a mistake though, just accept it and move on.
Fine enough? He had to get over Vidic flailing around and Caulker launching into the air.
The ball went in the direction he punched it, because he was coming at it from an angle. So his only possible mistake is to either have got the leap wrong or he didn't punch it hard enough, but could he possibly have punched it harder?
Unless you think he went up with the intent to punch it a few feet away - whatever the cause of the punch being weak, it was a mistake.
He went up to make the best possible contact he could with the ball whilst coming over two 1.9 metre CBs, and he did exactly that. It was a difficult situation caused by crap defending and he did the best he could, and was bloody unlucky. I'm not seeing how he's made a 'mistake'.
Why can't people accept that it was just a mistake, and not some sign that de Gea hasn't improved. Not aimed at anyone here really, just a general feel from idiots. Even the greats make a mistake, a bad punch, a dodgy kick etc. Shit happens, one mistake does not equal shit.
Espn understand that United are open to offers for De Gea in the summer.
Fine enough? He had to get over Vidic flailing around and Caulker launching into the air.
The ball went in the direction he punched it, because he was coming at it from an angle. So his only possible mistake is to either have got the leap wrong or he didn't punch it hard enough, but could he possibly have punched it harder?
I don't understand blaming Vidic for this tbh because as someone before said, a keeper should be letting his CB know if he is trying to get the ball, considering the calibour of Vidic he wouldn't ignore De Gea shouting for it and he shows no signs of trying to move away. He could of used more power on it on reflection of seeing that clip but I don't think his hand did hit the ball in the correct place.
And I understand that Barcelona are going to make a bid for Steven Fletcher, how come nobody pays me money for it?
Fergie needs to do something about this nonsense.
He's not necessarily blaming Vidic, but he's not blaming DDG either.
I reckon we'll replace him in the summer. SAF isn't known for showing extreme patience with 'keepers, even if they deserve it.
Just a gut feeling *shrug*.
Just a gut feeling *shrug*.
I wouldn't blame Vidic either. He was covering his man. DDG jumped over him like he should have. The very big problem was that there were 2 Spursies totally unmarked and the ball unfortunately landed straight at one of those pair of feet. Welbeck and Evra were both out of order there.
You see Rafael suddenly appearing closing down a player he would normally not be close to.
In that 1 second after DDG punches the ball, Carrick and Rio cover the area and watch the ball so Dempsey gets free. Jones is never close to a Tottenham player in the whole gif.
I would say this normally shouldn't happen but we've seen it time and time again this season. Our team is rubbish at dealing with crosses. DDG is no worse than our defense in those situations. Only recently did we concede twice against West Ham.
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