I think SAF will tell him he is more than happy with him... papers don't do too much damage I wouldn't have thought, more for the people who buy them, can't think this would affect DDG if he knows his manager has faith,...
David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances
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I haven't read anyone call him the "best in the world". I don't know where you are getting that from. Besides one or two posters, most here except that he is 22 and with time has potential to become one of the best.
Maybe it was when I was in the newbies then more so, but i've seen people calling him the best shot stopper in the world, best GK in England etc. He need a break from both sides because they both put a lot of pressure on him ( not that he reads the CAF!)
I like him personally I think hes got a good attitude, and reflexes to become a top GK. But to be getting all this at 22 can only be detrimental to him, and that goes for being overprotected too, but I do understand he is only overprotected because of the shit the media give him.
He is one of the best shot stoppers in the world.
Like you said, any criticism or over protection from posters on here doesn't really matter.
I am not sure who you are talking about when you say, "he is only overprotected because of the shit the media give him". You think the club is over protective towards him?
Don't agree with that at all. Yes the extremely negative views on him will attract extreme opinions at the other end of the scale and there may be a couple who think he's up there with the best in the world, but the vast majority of United fans have a perfectly balanced view on De Gea. He's a potentially top class keeper who's still adapting to the physicality of the league and picking up goalkeeping experience. He'll make mistakes because he's still young, we all know that. We all know he's made mistakes in the past. There's not one United fan around the world that would suggest he hasn't made mistakes. That's where the blindness comes in - people are skipping out 90% of the perfectly reasonable opinions on De Gea in amongst the extreme opinions that have dominated this thread. This perception that United fans vastly overrate him has absolutely no grounding whatsoever. He's getting battered by the media on a bi-weekly basis for "mistakes" that Hart, Szczesney and co. make just as regularly, and we're defending him. That's it.
I mean here he is overprotected because of the shit the media give him. As examples Hart/Cech makes a mistake and its glossed over but De Gea is made an example of.
What happens though is that you start blaming everyone but him, even when it is a problem with him, that you dont see an issue. This wouldn't happen with the staff of course. Its something that could take a couple of seasons to sort out.
Like I say the views were even more polarized in the Newbies, it just seems that if he does make a mistake ( as I say Hart and Cech have made them just as bad recently and the media hasn't made half the issue over them.) It seems to be a trend to instantly not blame DDG. This wouldn't happen though if the media weren't on his back so much, so I do empathize with those who do.
It just makes me sad and irritated that someone who is 5 years younger than me is beaten by a bunch of bullies week in week out like hes some kind of incompetent 30 year old.
Rather than staring out & bawling out a young team-mate who doesn't have enough English to defend himself perhaps our defenders would care to stop closing ranks, shifting blame and sort themselves out. They might also ask themselves why they allow the opposition a billion shots per game. Just a thought.
That tends to happen on forums. People pick a side and then will go to any extreme to defend their stance. I am sure I have done it a couple times.
Most posts on DeGea are pretty balanced. People see his positives and also acknowledge his short comings and needs for improvement. Only a fool, will discredit him at this stage or claim that he is a finished product.
As for the media, they will scrutinize anything United. Ravel, Pogba and Fryers have got more column inches in the last two years than most first team players of other teams. It's up to DeGea and club how they let it affect him. I am sure he'll be given proper time to develop and prove himself. Other wise there would be no point in spending 20m on a 20 year old keeper.
In most cases, I don't think it's a case of fanboyism or whatever this week's buzzword is; most people defend him because they feel the criticism is really unjustified. Even the so-called professional criticism is tired and sensationalist.
That's pretty fair, I'd say. I also think that over the last couple of seasons he has been at fault for no more goals than Cech or Reina, both of whom seem to be almost immune from criticism in the media based on past performances.
I think the only difference is that when they first came here they solidified their reputations with probably the best football of their careers. Where as De Gea had some issues from the start. In that way Cech and Reina built themselves the benefit of the doubt.
great post
thats football for you
if we win everything is incredible
if we lose some people go too far in criticising players/the manager
Indeed. But both have been throwing in goals for a couple of seasons now, and the media bandwagon continues unabated.
Here's hoping David keeps his blinders on and nose out of the papers. We stick with the KID (especially in GK years) and we will have a more than solid brick wall between the sticks for years to come.
His best moments-
http://beautifullyred.co.uk/2013/01...ad-his-best-gif-moments-of-the-season-so-far/
His best moments-
http://beautifullyred.co.uk/2013/01...ad-his-best-gif-moments-of-the-season-so-far/
You notice, what I don't like and press and pundits are both guilty, they compare DDG to Keepers much older than him constantly, even the most able comparrison is JH who is still a few YEARS above him, give DDG a few years in the Prem and then look back at JH this season and compare... my money would be on DDG
That's actually the first time I've watched it since Sunday, and before reading the rest of your post I was thinking exactly the above.
It's not actually nearly as bad a punch as I was thinking. It's not perfect, but it's the right idea, and it's not nearly as badly executed as people make out.
9 times out of 10 that just runs out for a throw - Lennon only just gets it, with a big helping of luck.
You see worse in the PL every weekend.
In a beautiful world, England FC will play Spain in a QF of a tournament, with De Gea in goal...it goes to penalties, and DDG saves all 5.
He'd get bad press for not catching them
This is the crucial part for me. Seems like the club still trust DDG. The rest of the media can feck off.
Where that article says 'there is now a belief that his lack of progress during his 18 months at the club', I am not sure of where the article is from, but do you know where they got that? If the line before explains that his manager and positional coach are both happy with his progress and highly rate him, who else is there to form this opinion?
Fergie's seen it before with young players. Rafael, Ronaldo, Nani being three recent examples. They make footballing mistakes and wrong decisions at crucial times when they first come in to the side. Then within five or six years they are regarded among the best in their position. All this is a storm in a teacup for me. It's just boring reading it day after day now.
Who knows where they get a single word of any of it?
It's all hearsay, speculation, inuendo... if they had a verifiable source, they would say so.
I'm not sure if it has been stated yet but I think Valdes rejecting Barca now is actually a good thing. Despite what the press would have you believe I don't think there is any way Sir Alex is considering getting rid of DDG right now, therefore making DDG's possibility of being Valdes' successor very slim. There was always a fear that DDG would eventually want to go back to Spain but I just think being a direct replacement for Valdes is far too early.
The only way this could back fire is if Barca do get someone like Reina in to cover for a few years and then come back for DDG when he's getting closer to his prime.
The only way this could back fire is if Barca do get someone like Reina in to cover for a few years and then come back for DDG when he's getting closer to his prime.
To be fair, there's nothing particularly controversial in the idea that DDG is finding it hard to adapt from Spanish football to the PL; what, for me, doesn't add up is the notion that SAF & co didn't consider this a potential problem before signing David. The idea that such a successful manager wouldn't take proper notice of the obvious differences between the two leagues' styles of play is a little unbelievable.
It could be that DDG's signing is a gamble that won't pay off, but nobody - let alone all those 'experts' - should act surprised if this turns out to be the case.
It could be that DDG's signing is a gamble that won't pay off, but nobody - let alone all those 'experts' - should act surprised if this turns out to be the case.
I don't understand the panic. In my view he'll get over everything, adjust and be our keeper for years. No chance he's going back to Spain or any bullshit like that.
Anything could happen in a few years time, regardles of what Valdes is up to right now.
At the end of the day, if he gets a Ronaldo / Fabregas head on, and is determined to go play in Spain in his prime, there's not much we can do about it, apart from pocket a world record amonut of cash. Chance we have to take really.
Who knows where they get a single word of any of it?
It's all hearsay, speculation, inuendo... if they had a verifiable source, they would say so.
That's my point though, why are people getting bothered if they know A) it comes from nowhere and B) It's rubbish, I'm not saying people here consider it, but they get offended and annoyed, I wouldn't have thought DDG will give it a second thought if SAF and Eric are ok with him
Do Barca have a habit of recruiting average 'keepers? Are they trying to give everyone else a chance (presuming they can get the ball off Barca & actually shoot)?
Average keepers? Like who?
I dont believe Barcelona could afford to buy De Gea right now and could easily go for a more average keeper in Reina or Scezny if thats what you mean
I dont believe Barcelona could afford to buy De Gea right now and could easily go for a more average keeper in Reina or Scezny if thats what you mean
I meant Reina and Valdes. I just don't consider them to be outstanding.
In a way, Barca remind me of the great Brazilian national sides, in that it doesn't much matter if their goalie is good, bad or average.
In a way, Barca remind me of the great Brazilian national sides, in that it doesn't much matter if their goalie is good, bad or average.
Brazil have had some very good keepers.
The media would fecking love it if he packed his bags and fecked off to Real or Barca, it's probably why they're pushing it all the time.
I dont really understand why everybody has jumped on the de Gea bandwagon in the press.
Have we ever had a player this badly picked on?.
I mean sure Ronaldo and Beckham and Rooney are not exactly press darlings, but i dont remember anybody in the defensive side of the game getting slaughtered this badly.
What i dont get is de Gea makes like a little mistake every 1/10 games or so, imagine if the spotlight was on Evras defending? Imagine if they picked up every little mistake he has made over the past 2 years.
Its just the press trying their best to unsettle our club, and hope that we bottle it towards the end of the season. I hope that the lads fully support de Gea, because thats what he needs.
Everybody knows he will make a mistake here and there, he wont be invicible. I think we were all prepared for that at the start when we signed him? im sure Fergie and Steele will be the same.
Have we ever had a player this badly picked on?.
I mean sure Ronaldo and Beckham and Rooney are not exactly press darlings, but i dont remember anybody in the defensive side of the game getting slaughtered this badly.
What i dont get is de Gea makes like a little mistake every 1/10 games or so, imagine if the spotlight was on Evras defending? Imagine if they picked up every little mistake he has made over the past 2 years.
Its just the press trying their best to unsettle our club, and hope that we bottle it towards the end of the season. I hope that the lads fully support de Gea, because thats what he needs.
Everybody knows he will make a mistake here and there, he wont be invicible. I think we were all prepared for that at the start when we signed him? im sure Fergie and Steele will be the same.
What annoys me is that he's gained this reputation as a dodgy keeper in the press, but it has all been fuelled by them anyway. Sure he's made mistakes but you could tell they were desperate to label him such from the moment he got here. Joe Hart had a great performance against Real Madrid but then let in Ronaldo's shot at the end which he really should have saved, letting it bounce under him. He got nowhere near the amount of flak de Gea is getting. It's media bias and it'll take a good few years for him to shake this naive and lazy perception of him, unfortunately.
The Gary Neville verdict on him was pretty brutal last night. He showed the United players moaning at De Gea after the goal went in. Vidic looked like he wanted to knock him out to be fair he stared him out for about 8 seconds.
Neville ''he Isn't staring at him because he fancies him Ed''
It was a funny line but I think Neville is reading a bit too much into it, to be honest. I know he's the one with all the experience on the pitch and in the dressing room but it just seemed like forced analysis.
Although it isn't the first time Vidic and De Gea have stared daggers at each other.
Do Vidic and De Gea need to work on their partnership a bit more? They haven't played a whole lot of games together because of Vidic's injuries but I get the impression that Vidic maybe tries to overcompensate by going for balls he should leave for De Gea to deal with. Perhaps they could communicate better in these situations and maybe Vidic gets in the way a bit in certain circumstances by trying to do too much.
It's not just from what Gary Neville said but I get the impression that there is a slight lack of trust on Vidic's part and it has the potential to lead to errors like the Fulham OG.
I'm sure it's something they can/will work on and develop as they play more games together and build a familiarity with each other because despite this it hasn't lead to too many problems so far anyway, such occurrences have been few and far between.
It's not just from what Gary Neville said but I get the impression that there is a slight lack of trust on Vidic's part and it has the potential to lead to errors like the Fulham OG.
I'm sure it's something they can/will work on and develop as they play more games together and build a familiarity with each other because despite this it hasn't lead to too many problems so far anyway, such occurrences have been few and far between.
Instead of blaming the keeper who was under pressure, why doesn't someone ask the question of why it was so easy for them to get the ball in the box in the first place?
As much as I love Rafael and he's been amazing this season, his mistake of running forward while the ball was blatantly going to a Spurs player was a fecking monumental cock-up if ever I saw one.
As much as I love Rafael and he's been amazing this season, his mistake of running forward while the ball was blatantly going to a Spurs player was a fecking monumental cock-up if ever I saw one.
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