Didn't he do pretty much the same as De Gea did for 2nd Shitty goal? Not even been mentioned as far as I can see.
btw, I don't think you spell it like that.
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Didn't he do pretty much the same as De Gea did for 2nd Shitty goal? Not even been mentioned as far as I can see.
btw, I don't think you spell it like that.
It's a really good strike from Gerrard to be fair, considering he's going the opposite direction. Not sure anybody could predict he'd try and reverse it back into the other corner from where he's going, let alone with such power.
TBF, he had very little reaction time as the shot from the City player was from a very close range.
Decent save in my book. Given no help from his defence.
We both know De Gea would never have got away with that from the media...
I think you guys are elevating this to an unnecessary level of difficulty.
I can only speak for myself, but after watching various keepers over a couple of decades I feel pretty confident in judging how a goalkeeper has performed. Looking at this thread as an example, I'd say most others can too.
The idea that only a special few can offer any kind of informed opinion seems like nonsense to me.
Therein lies the problem, "howlers" are in the eye of the beholder. If pundits, journalists, or commentators say he has erred it's because they are morons, hate Manchester United players, pursuing an agenda to sell newspapers, didn't realise it was raining or are xenophobic (but if a Manchester United ambassador says it wasn't a howler, we should all listen to him because he used to a goalkeeper). The main reason this thread descends into such a farce at times is that when I do post in here after he has made a mistake extremely angry people claim it was amazing goalkeeping.
In fairness, they showed the angle and zoomed in and you could see that Rio obstructed the keeper's vision. It was a bit more in depth than a basic opinion because he backed it up with some evidence.
Did this Manchester United ambassador forget his duty not to criticise our players when he criticised the players who he believed were culpable for the goal?
Basically. It's not such a foreign skill that we have no idea what we're watching. In truth all of the keepers who give their opinions on here will likely know more than I do about goalkeeping, but to what extent more is arguable. Most of us have played football for a couple of decades or more.
I don't really see a massive difference between that and someone who has never played up front trying to give their opinion on RvP, or something. In reality, none of us have ever played football the way these players can, so arguing about our relative frames of reference and experience seems a bit pointless.
Actually, it descends into a farce when you make comments such as 'another assist' or questioning whether he should have done better on the Swansea goal.
Yep. DdG was covering his near post so that Gerrard couldn't just fire it in the near post. Ferdinand was marking Gerrard, the ball went through Ferdinand's legs and so he dived at full stretch to save it. There wasn't much else he could do there. Look at Brwned's post and the gif he posted.
Ex United keepers though, you could argue they are towing the line so to speak.
I'd say a lot of the blame for the goal comes from losing the ball just outside our area in the first place. There's no excuse for Cleverley and Carrick to be losing possession there.
The reason the thread descends into a farce is because you don't know your fecking head from your fecking arse and you constantly come in bearing down with unjust criticism, based off of utter trip you hear from the likes of Jamie "I do kick-ups on the beach while my wife rides a white horse" Redknapp. You have no idea what you're talking about and I'd be surprised if you've ever kicked a football in your life, let alone played a competitive match. You're an armchair fan who hasn't got a clue, with some sort of vendetta against DDG for seemingly no reason. You probably even think Begovic would be a good replacement.
Jezuz, I thought this stuff had ended with MaroonPondlife's shenanigans...
Peter Schmeichel (in MOTD) thinks De Gea made a great save and he was unfortunate our defense didn't help him to clear the loose ball.
When I saw De Gea's save the first time, I thought it was a really good save and was unlucky Sturridge smash in the rebound, but after visiting the "De Gea" thread on the Caf and reading the opinions of the Caf's "experts" I wasn't too sure anymore.
Now I'm sure it was a good save, because Schmeichel thinks so as well.
When I saw De Gea's save the first time, I thought it was a really good save and was unlucky Sturridge smash in the rebound, but after visiting the "De Gea" thread on the Caf and reading the opinions of the Caf's "experts" I wasn't too sure anymore.
Now I'm sure it was a good save, because Schmeichel thinks so as well.
Fair enough. I completely disagree. I think that most people think along the lines of...
...when judging keepers' saves and mistakes and that's just too simplistic. I think everyone knows the basic role of a defender, midfielder or forward - in terms of things like positioning - whereas few know the goalkeeping basics. Or at least very few make any kind of reference to it so it just seems like instinct and guesswork. Most people can acknowledge a good save but few can tell you why it's a good save and even fewer can explain a mistake - that's just my perception of things from being on here for a few years.
That's just me and I wasn't making a serious suggestion before, I was just saying it'd be what I'm interested in reading. Of course it'd be ridiculous to outright stop people from discussing any aspect of football on here.
In hindsight it was an alright save but with the talent he has he should have pushed it to the side rather than the front. Of cos if Rafael had cleared the ball no one would have given it a second thought but it led to a sturridge goal and all these questions. I feel the recent transfer rumors created by our rivals might have got to him, hope SAF has a chat with him.
Schmeichel, maybe, but Bosnich? His career with us was short (twice) and didn't end very well. Somehow I can't see him feeling a need to protect us.
No it isn't, a howler is a stupid mistake whereby the goalkeeper commits a schoolboy error. Anything other than that is a mistake ranging from not doing enough to doing all they can not to make it.
The problem is that you can't distinguish between a howler, through unforced error to a forced error. Your posting in the thread shows that, no 'opinion' about it.
This is ridiculous. Clear fault for the goal lies primarily with Cleverley, Rio and Rafael. Could de Gea possibly have done better? Maybe, but only if he had a good look at the ball as it left Gerrard's boot and had it not been the shot that it was.
It took a full stretch to get to the ball. Sturridge was in a great position to pounce no matter where De Gea deflected it, other than just past the post, but that's asking for a very risky decision.
There's no chance Casillas or Buffon would have done any better. If that makes them dodgy keepers too, then it appears all keepers are dodgy.
It took a full stretch to get to the ball. Sturridge was in a great position to pounce no matter where De Gea deflected it, other than just past the post, but that's asking for a very risky decision.
There's no chance Casillas or Buffon would have done any better. If that makes them dodgy keepers too, then it appears all keepers are dodgy.
That's not true now is it. You also might feel that you are confident on judging keepers but as for myself after listening to people talk about them, be it here or people getting paid to do so on TV, I don't have a lot of confidence in the knowledge of the majority.
Have the majority in this thread not backed De Gea on the incident in question?
I thought it was a good save and it was decently pushed away from goal. Could have been more away from goal, but typically people shit on the keeper when he saves it and its put right back into the middle of the goal. This one wasnt.
its easy to say, he should have pushed it out or away. but if a keeper saves in the middle of the goal, it is very difficult to push it away or behind for a corner.
If he had that time, he would have caught it.
If he had that time, he would have caught it.
I usually agree with most things you say, but as Brwned has said with keepers it's not black and white...you can't just say stuff like this.
I don't know on what pretense most of them do. Try and have a look at the match day thread. More posters on there at any given time giving their opinion than those that discuss matters in details in threads like this.
Okay, which part? That Casillas and Buffon couldn't have done better?
But haven't we seen keepers at level parry the same ball in exactly the same way over and over? There are limits to what we should expect of human beings.
The complaint has to be that De Gea should caught the ball with both hands or parried it just past the post. I wouldn't say either would be impossible, but either would have been extraordinary feat. Sometimes the extraordinary is not possible. Sometimes it is, but on this occasion it was not.
That's the mad thing with keepers, it's very limited based on each situation if you can brand it possible or impossible. You can't sit here and say no keeper in the world could've pushed that in a different direction, the reactions of keepers are so fast that anything can happen. I've seen worse keepers make better saves from harder situations...the likes of Kuszczak and Craig Gordon instantly spring to mind. That's not a dampener on De Gea, but I'll always maintain that it's not a crime to wonder how often he's capable of pulling off the extraordinary.
If/When the defence is playing brilliantly and teams are limited to few chances, we'll really see how De Gea is coping because right now we're still on the upward curve in our defensive performances, and he's having to do more work than he should, which might well be a factor as to why he's perhaps slightly limited in the extraordinary saves whilst frequently being capable of pulling off 'good' saves.
I feel some over-defend him to the extent that any kind of save is deemed brilliant now. I've certainly seen him pull off better saves than he did with the Gerrard shot and seen very little discussion.
Its discussed because some people, particularly pundits and media want to call it a mistake and blame him. Not because its his best ever save.
The media needs talking points.
I agree with where you're going with this discussion, but I would like to remind posters that De Gea himself has made some sensational saves. The Mata free kick save is one of the greatest saves I have ever seen. All wold agree it was fantastic. But a ball like that is right in De Gea's wheelhouse...full stretch but high. The Gerrard shot was low...if you want to beat a 6'4" keeper you've got a better chance of beating him than high. If the keeper were Jorge Campos then a low shot will be easier for the keeper to cope with.
And no, this was not a shot you would ask De Gea to save with his feet.
He did the best that was possible for most keepers, at least of his size, could be expected. But in theory, he could have guided it past the post. But I'd like to see a single keeper pull that off in that situation before flogging De Gea for not doing exactly that.
The media needs a slap around the chops.
Can we all stop making out that VDS was perfect by the way. He often did things like DDG the other day.
Twice in this one game in fact, should have caused 2 goals. Right at the start and then at 4:14.
first one is a mistake, second one is bad luck, just like DDG the other day although I think VDS had more to work with due to the ball being at a much better height for him.
Twice in this one game in fact, should have caused 2 goals. Right at the start and then at 4:14.
first one is a mistake, second one is bad luck, just like DDG the other day although I think VDS had more to work with due to the ball being at a much better height for him.
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That would only provide them with another talking point.
Oh yeah, can see them sat around the breakfast table on Sunday Supplement in a fake moral outrage about getting hit talking about how in the good old days fans were so much less bitter and violent.
What about when VDS dropped the ball stone cold against West Brom. Now THAT was a howler.
Have to say that De Gea's kicking and distribution from feet under pressure takes a massive heaped steamy dump on Anders'.
I didn't wanna just highlight howlers, I wanted posters to realise that VDS did similar parry's etc to what DDG did against Liverpool, because sometimes all even the best keepers can do is to react and save the shot, then they just have to hope for help from their defenders.
Agree about the kicking, you realise watching Anders just how good it is to have DDG.
In fact, I bet I could point out a top class goalie parry a ball out pretty much every single week if I watched enough football.
Here is Casillas from this weekend, 6:02.
http://www.footytube.com/video/real-madrid-valencia-jan15-152234
Here is Casillas from this weekend, 6:02.
http://www.footytube.com/video/real-madrid-valencia-jan15-152234
IAR, wasn't having a go mate! Was just saying - seein that video made me think of the howler. Some huge lump scored too from memory.. Tchops? Or Tchang? or someone.. Can't really remember off the top of my head.
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