Can you reach the keys from up there on your pedestal?
As beautiful as Barcelona are, they've spawned a few unpleasant footballing trends, this mightier than thou stance being one of them.
David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances
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Can you reach the keys from up there on your pedestal?
As beautiful as Barcelona are, they've spawned a few unpleasant footballing trends, this mightier than thou stance being one of them.
By the time he signed we'd already been linked with him, if I recall before he even had his debut at Atletico was the first time we were linked. And because of that we knew all about him.
De Gea's kicking is very good. Few have better kicking and certainly no Barcelona goalkeeper in recent memory. We are also one of the happiest teams in the world to play the ball back to the keeper. In fact we did it more than any other top club when VDS was here and we continue to this day
If those statistics are true to pure ability, why isn't Valdes Spain number one?
De Gea is the first name to be linked with Barcelona because of his nationality and age. It was popular belief when he signed that he'd leave for Barcelona one day anyway, not that I ever went along with it, nor would I rule it out.
De Gea is the first name to be linked with Barcelona because of his nationality and age. It was popular belief when he signed that he'd leave for Barcelona one day anyway, not that I ever went along with it, nor would I rule it out.
He isn't quite the right fit, IMO, for Barcelona and it's a holier than now assessment
I am an enormous fan of Iker Casillas, for example, but even, for me, isn't as suited to how Barcelona plays as Victor...yet one starts for the NT and the other is often 3rd choice...Your conclusions were illogical if not simply thin skinned
Sorry, that sounds pretty revisionist to me. I remember the substance of the discussions when he was linked to United and not only had he already been a fixture between the sticks for Atletico but had also been for the youth NT for years...years before most probably had heard of him
https://www.redcafe.net/f9/david-de-gea-saf-confirmed-signing-283988/
Looks like it was just after his first start. Check your facts.
Yeah, I think this is the route they will go. They just love bringing back the players they let go.
He isn't quite the right fit, IMO, for Barcelona and it's a holier than now assessment
I am an enormous fan of Iker Casillas, for example, but even, for me, isn't as suited to how Barcelona plays as Victor...yet one starts for the NT and the other is often 3rd choice...Your conclusions were illogical if not simply thin skinned
You've addressed that to the wrong person.
Also, in this instance it definitely is 'mightier', 'holier' would make no sense.
De Gea's footwork is brilliant, more than good enough for Barcelona.
It doesn't matter if you knew DDG before most caftards FCBarca, it doesn't matter how good he used to be in Spain.What matter is his current ability and when it comes to controlling, kicking and spraying the ball around, Valdes is good at that no doubt, DDG is no worse than him.
Facts are again, in my favor. Like I said, read the comments from posters. Plus, he debuted with the first team at 18 - a year before this link
Facts, history and years of watching him - if that can't possibly matter what point is there to have an opinion
We were linked before he played 5 matches. Thats shortly after 1 and well before he was a fixture as you claim
That's not what I meant, I'm saying how good or bad he used to be in Spain have no bearing on his current quality because he has improved every single aspect of a keepers' game.History is important but only if it's used correctly
That's a bit silly, re read that part I bolded...
Sorry because it's hard to explain exactly my thoughts, I just wanted to clumsily say that a player can improve certain aspect of his game.Be a completely different player so much that what he used to do years before and now are completely different.
Casillas says that De Gea is the truth and his heir for the NT, he knows more about Spanish goalkeeping than you...........................so there.
Oh, I fully understood, don't apologise I was just pointing it out to you, I have learnt myself maybe sometimes to proof read (Although I rarely do) But I agree with the point but not the sentiment, knowing how good De Gea was in Spanish league is relative because its the same player. It does not matter how much better worse he gets, to say that having that knowledge of him a while ago is irrelevant is wrong though, it is relevant, but I think you were trying to say its not conclusive or in your opinion substantial as his attributes have obviously fluxuated
He didn't say he wasn't merely commented that one tiny part of his game is lower than some others, not mentioning the fact he could secretly feel De Gea excels in all other areas?
Unless Barca want to spend £50 million then he won't be going anywhere. The Ronaldo sale has changed peoples perceptions of our transfer dealings. He was an anomaly, we have no reason to sell. De Gea has barely started his career with us yet.
I've fairly certain we would bite their arm off with £50m! Manuel Neuer only cost around £16m.
Exactly what I meant, sometimes English confuses me.Prior knowledge is interesting but up to a certain point.
Lloris is best example I have and specially how he has worked on the aerial aspect of football.
He is not flawless but in comparison to his Nice and Lyon days, he's much better and more physical.It's not really a weakness of his whereas before he kinda was a liability
Well exactly, unless we get a ridiculous offer (which we won't) we won't sell him. De Gea doesn't strike me as the sort of character to give up and head home after a couple of hard years. He's got a lot, lot more to give to us before entertaining Madrid/Barca thoughts, IMO. We're not a feeder club and never will be. I'd be massively stunned if we did sell him and that would tell me Fergie doesn't rate him, which I can't see being the case.
Sorry FCBarca, but you're grossly overrating Valdes here. He's never shown any evidence of being especially good on the ball for a top keeper. Obviously he'd good at it by general goalkeeping standards, but I see no reason to believe he's any better than De Gea. Valdes insists on passing it out as part of Barca's system, and gets pissed off at his defenders if he ever has to lift the ball off the ground. But that's not the same as being especially good on the ball.
His distribution, on the very rare occasions that he passes further than his back line, is nothing special. And his ball control frequently gets him into trouble.
These do not say 'better on the ball than De Gea' to me:
And yes, I know a couple of youtube clips prove nothing, but then these are hardly isolated incidents. He has a history, particularly recently, of getting himself into trouble on the ball.
EDIT: Also, just for kicks:
(Apologies for the shit music, I couldn't find one without any.)
His distribution, on the very rare occasions that he passes further than his back line, is nothing special. And his ball control frequently gets him into trouble.
These do not say 'better on the ball than De Gea' to me:
And yes, I know a couple of youtube clips prove nothing, but then these are hardly isolated incidents. He has a history, particularly recently, of getting himself into trouble on the ball.
EDIT: Also, just for kicks:
(Apologies for the shit music, I couldn't find one without any.)
He was part of this emerging group of footballers who announce they won't be extending their contracts. Hence the bargain, with something of a premium too.
I'm sure if anyone wanted him with 3 years left, Schalke would've been quids in to the tune of £30m.
That being said, I hope we can keep on top of our players (in this case De Gea) and their contracts to ensure we don't end up being forced to sell for something rather than losing them for nothing. Thus far, we've remained on the ball and only sold players when we've wanted rid of them, or when the offer represents a good deal for both parties.
Yes I completely agree with you mate, and FWIW, didn't realise you weren't english so thats a testament to your english, or a mark on others grammar
If Barca want DDG they will get him, their players will start talking in the press. They will put shirts on him. They might even give him a signed autograph. feck OFF BARCA.
In statistics, we refer to this as an outlier. His body of work, on the other hand
Haha, he seems to have an outlier every game.
Barcelona have been an infinitely better team than Madrid the past few seasons, those stats mean nothing. Valdez is pretty decent but Casillas is by far the better keeper.
No. Neuer is the 2nd most expensive keeper in history.
22m Euros I thought?
In statistics, we refer to this as an outlier. His body of work, on the other hand
His? Nothing to do with Barcelona being the most possession dominated team in recent times, probably of all times? There's no other keeper that has had to deal with as few attacks as Valdes. And you're perfectly aware off how much of a clusterfeck Real's defense can be.
Valdes does super costly mistakes still to this day, not just a one off each season. I believe they would have replaced him a long time ago had he not been home grown.
Not necessarily. De Gea isn't a Barca fan and unlike Cesc, he is challenging for the title in England.
It was 18m euros up front, but it did come out that there are around 15m euros in add ons (funnily enough Bayern will have to pay a fee if they reach the semis of the CL...they don't even have to win it!).
As far as I can tell, there hasn't been a word of indignation about the Fulham keeper, who deflected a City shot but was followed up for the goal (Saturday, 1/19/13).
No "dodgy keeper" references, no suspicions that he's "not ready for top flight football in England".
No "dodgy keeper" references, no suspicions that he's "not ready for top flight football in England".
Doesn't really count though because he's not playing for the biggest club in the country.
Fortunately De Gea is
You should see Julio Cesar spilling it for Joe Cole. No single reference to it in the dailies. De Gea makes mistakes that other seasoned goalies make on a regular basis but De Gea gets pilloried. It's tough keeping the goal for the biggest football institution in the world.
Exactly, every keeper in the league makes the same "mistake", but it's only heavily documented because DDG is young and foreign, playing for the biggest team in England.
They want him to fail, but I hope it drives him on harder to succeed
They want him to fail, but I hope it drives him on harder to succeed
I doubt De Gea worries to much about what a shower of idiots with agenda's say or write in the media. All that should matter to him is what Fergie thinks and I'm pretty sure Fergie knows he has a top class keeper on his hands at the moment.
No one cares when a 40 year old Mark Schwarzer is having a bad game for Fulham and they'll be back to calling him a safe solid seasoned goalkeeper when the teams line up next week.
Its saves like these which separate him from the likes of Lindegaard. The keeper cant be blamed if that goes in but the likes of De Gea will save them.
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