How about a thread for us midfielders? All of you defenders can feck off, you untalented, hairy bastards.
David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances
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I agree, in this thread most people are actually pretty fair.
There's only Kie and the matchday thread arseholes (the kind of people who do Piers Morganesque moaning about every player unless they play like Messi) venting that talk a load of crap about him.
I'm not talking about De Gea and this silly blame-game, I just see people expecting 'keepers week after week to display miraculous reflexes and reactions because they can't look at it from a goalkeepers POV. Seems clear to me that very few of us can really do that and it's all just guesswork. It's completely different to the kind of discussion you get on whether Evans made a mistake for this and that or whether Chicharito fecked up his finish - most people have a fair idea of things with their own opinion mixed into it. When it comes to "analysing" the goalkeeper stuff it's just pure opinion.
Aye, it's just a completely different mindset. You think like a 'keeper or you think like an outfield player that can use your hands and jump around a bit. I was embarrassingly poor in nets, never had the reflexes or the patience!
Because they aren't really informed opinions. I try to look at each topic of discussion from every view I can think off. I take everything that I can think of into consideration and offer a view based on that. I might be right or close to being right but it would not be based on experience of the game, just watching it. I've never played goalkeeper for real. I did in handball but that's a different sport. So although you might look at my comment and think of it as an informed opinion, which it sort of is, it would not be as credible as a goalkeeper's opinion on the same subject.
The goalkeeper is a complete separate entity in the team. He trains by himself, he warms up by himself. He's got one or two players in the squad that knows his stuff and one or two coaches (and if he's lucky, the manager as well).
I am sure that De Gea would have wanted to do better. It was not impossible to push it out of the danger area.
I absolutely adore Schmeichel the player, a legend and the best goalkeeper I've seen, but he's a daft pundit. Whether he's talking about keepers or not I'd never use him as an argument from authority (even though he's right today).
At what age? Being a goalie in men's handball looks absolutely terrifying.
It wasn't impossible, but it wasn't bread and butter. Why we're slamming keepers for not being immaculate all the time is beyond me.
I've no problem with people putting it like this. I don't see why it can't be a thought on the back of someone's mind that here and there he can be extravagant and pull one out of the hat. I'm not having a go at him, but the odd worldie save isn't too much to ask.
There is a habit to say 'well it's not his fault' with a lot of players, but those moments where they rectify a teammate's error is what makes them extra special. People here grew up on Schmeichel or VDS, and often we saw them able to rectify errors from outfield players...it's not something we should expect everyweek, but there is nothing wrong with considering a situation where de Gea could atone for the errors of others on the odd occasion.
But anyone who says "it's his fault"...you're a tool.
Arguably DDG has pulled off those kind of moments though.
I'd argue it was more frequent last season where he was getting more criticism despite conceding less goals.
It could be an incredibly harsh assessment though, I don't remember all the saves.
I used to be a keeper.
Sorry, not good enough. Leave this to Pogue.
He's there as the keeper to do a job - that means when those in front of him fail to do their job - he is still there as the last line of defense. So yes it is his part of his job to help cover for the mistakes others make.
As to the goal today, maybe he could have done better but, the ball was pushed out wide or at least tried to. Don't think he have turned it around the post without greater risk of it just going in. Perhaps he could have done better and hopefully he'll figure out a way to do better if there is a fundamental flaw in those kinds of situations. Am sure both him and the coaching staff will be working on it whatever the case.
As to the goal today, maybe he could have done better but, the ball was pushed out wide or at least tried to. Don't think he have turned it around the post without greater risk of it just going in. Perhaps he could have done better and hopefully he'll figure out a way to do better if there is a fundamental flaw in those kinds of situations. Am sure both him and the coaching staff will be working on it whatever the case.
The resolution to this problem, if we can call it that, is to make sure the closest defender closes down on his keeper in the event of a spilled ball.
Taking a step back, coughing up only one goal to Liverpool was a fantastic piece of work by the entire squad. I'm not concerned in the least about de Gea on the basis of today's performance.
Taking a step back, coughing up only one goal to Liverpool was a fantastic piece of work by the entire squad. I'm not concerned in the least about de Gea on the basis of today's performance.
I still maintain that he could have pushed the ball out wider though. I mean do you think Van Der Sar would have pushed it into that area? I don't. I like de gea though, and I understand that he's still young but I would think this would have been goalkeeping 101. Push the ball wide, not back into the danger area.
SAF: "I haven't seen the (Liverpool) goal again but it looked a bit soft; once again the keeper has parried one out and nobody is following in the rebound."
Not quite sure who he's blaming here; maybe both DDG and the defence?
Not quite sure who he's blaming here; maybe both DDG and the defence?
The problem is, from that position he could have pushed it slightly wider but still back into play. I think he could have done better on this occasion but only just.
I used to be a keeper, so I'm going to weigh in.
I think Fergie's description is fairly accurate. De Gea did an okay job, but he reacted late and he really needed to get down quicker and hold the ball. Combined with a lazy response from Rafael and everyone else in the box for us, I think it's fair to call it a bit soft.
I think Fergie's description is fairly accurate. De Gea did an okay job, but he reacted late and he really needed to get down quicker and hold the ball. Combined with a lazy response from Rafael and everyone else in the box for us, I think it's fair to call it a bit soft.
He reacted late because Rio was in his line of sight and when you are at full stretch, it makes it harder to stop and hold the ball. I think pushing the ball out was his only option and he tried his best to do it and it would have helped if Rafael would have clear the ball.
He reacted late because it came through Ferdinand's legs and he couldn't see it.
Unless De Gea can be found at fault for not having X-ray vision, there's not a lot he can do if he can't see the ball.
He was at full stretch, so it was always going to be hard to properly palm it away. He's not Schmeichel, he has different gifts.
Based on DDG's positioning, angle of the shot and the fact he was at full stretch, it's a bit harsh to blame him for the goal. There's really very little he could do with that. I'm no goalkeeper but I think the fact he's at full stretch plays a major factor in where the ball goes after he saved it.
In real-time, I can see how some felt he was to blame. Nonetheless, that goal arose from slack play. Something we seem to do in all of the big games and it's something I think should be addressed. We have players who can keep the ball well yet for some reason they always choose a certain part of the game to act like spastics.
In real-time, I can see how some felt he was to blame. Nonetheless, that goal arose from slack play. Something we seem to do in all of the big games and it's something I think should be addressed. We have players who can keep the ball well yet for some reason they always choose a certain part of the game to act like spastics.
Watching the Evra/Vidic goal again just now, let's just say Reina is very lucky not to be judged by the same standard De Gea is. If that same ball had gotten past De Gea, we'd be hearing about it for months.
DDG could have done better, but I won't fault him for the goal. Really was a bit of slackness that allowed the initial shot and then no one was tracking to clear any sort of rebound other than the striker
TBF: Reina has his very own and very active' blunders' thread on the CAF. I don't think that many denizens of the CAF rate him as a top level keeper anymore.
Regarding RVP's goal: it was right underneath Reina, albeit it at great pace. I actually think that DDG would have saved it with his feet and then would have been derided for the method of save.
Got a proposition for you Kie. If David De Gea commits a howler he's allowed to come back into this thread and discuss it.
Until then, stay out. What do you reckon?
Until then, stay out. What do you reckon?
It was very low, just out of reach and hit at pace from very close by, even De Gea's best reflexes would've struggled with that shot. RVP did just enough to make it unstoppable.
It's pointless using the arguments of pundits to back up any claim as they're all just people at the end of the day and their opinion will differ.
As an example, Bosnich was on TalkSport this morning saying it was a wonderful save g iven the pace it was hit at and that Rio opened his legs which meant de Gea couldn't move until slightly later than he would have wanted too.
As an example, Bosnich was on TalkSport this morning saying it was a wonderful save g iven the pace it was hit at and that Rio opened his legs which meant de Gea couldn't move until slightly later than he would have wanted too.
If Rafael is alert and clears it there would be no debate about it being a good save. Some people are just dickheads.
Yes he could have done better - but then Rafael shouldn't have reacted so slow either
Smikes analysed the save on match of the day. Basically because the shot came through Rio's legs DDG was unsighted he concluded it was a great save. Rafael hardly had time to react as he was in a standing position. The striker had momentum running onto the ball.
Happens!
Happens!
Peter Schmeichel yesterday on MotD2 said that he was unlucky with the goal. Said he'd done well to save the initial shot due to being unsighted with Rio being the line of sight. You can actually De Gea trying to look round. After making the save he said you have to expect your defenders to be alert and reacting but on this occasion Rafael was caught napping.
I pretty much agree with that.
If it helps I played in goal for 2 years at school
I pretty much agree with that.
If it helps I played in goal for 2 years at school
Quite encouraging that 2 pundits that were ex 'keepers said pretty much the same thing in that case.
Bosnich was quite critical of Ferdinand saying he should have known better than to open his legs the way he did meaning the striker can go either side and the 'keeper is unsighted.
Any criticism is a bit unfair. He pulled off a decent save whilst stretching so much that he could only get one hand on the ball. I don't know why people expect every save to be palmed into a safe area? Sometimes, all a keeper can do is get enough contact to stop it going into the net.
Rafael had a decent game, but he should have reacted quicker to stop Sturridge getting the rebound.
Rafael had a decent game, but he should have reacted quicker to stop Sturridge getting the rebound.
Why the feck is this being debated so much in the media? What about Chesney's fecking awful display yesterday for Arsenal? Kicking it into touch all the time. Any mention of that?
I agree. When we conceded, I was pissed but obviously not at the goalkeeper. I dont like the trend to blame every single goal on DDG and since we're conceding like crazy this season, the haters have a field day after games
Just reading it, looks he was completely blaming the defenders. But will have to look at the actual interview to be sure.
He must be the only keeper to get this must analysis from every goal that goes in. Don't think he did too much wrong with it, he saw it late and got a hand to it. Rafael was to blame for not getting back.
I wasn't suggesting you were a De Gea-basher, but it seemed like you were dead certain De Gea made a basic mistake...
...so I was replying to that, the SkySports bit just followed on from that. This was the only part aimed at you:
You might not have the knives out for De Gea but getting annoyed at people for defending him is symptomatic of this thread and the atmosphere it's created. Particularly when you're getting annoyed about a mistake De Gea never made...
It's ridiculous. If kietotheworld wasn't jumping at the chance to slam him then there'd be a much more balanced set of opinions. At the moment it's one person criticising De Gea for absurd reasons and then another person being over-zealous in defending and people latch onto either side. This idea that there's no middle ground with De Gea between the media and on here is purely down to the fact the posts that are neither overly positive or negative end up getting lost in the rest of the nonsense. Take away the nonsense and you'd get a much more accurate representation of his standing amongst United fans.
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