David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances

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FlawlessThaw said:
Wonder if he would have gotten less stick if Gerrard's shot had just gone in
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Nah. he'd have been destroyed for that too.

If he'd tried to somehow push that wide and behind him, there would have been a very very good chance he would have just helped it into the far corner of the net. And then destroyed for not parrying it out. The lad cant win.

It wasn't one of those shots that needed just a slight touch to help tip it wide. It wasn't going far enough into the corner, it was far to central for that. It was a good save. If he'd managed to tip it wide, it would have been out of this world.
 
paceme said:
Anyone got a gif anyway?
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After watching that, Rafael is the one at fault or the midfield for messing around with the ball instead of hoofing it upfield. De Gea's position was at the centre of the goal and there's no way he could have parried that to safety otherwise he would help the ball into the net with his fingertips.
 
After seeing that yet again, I'm not having anyone putting the blame on Dave. His positioning looks alright, and I believe his view is partially blocked in terms of seeing where the ball is gonna go, he won't see Gerrard shaping up there so reacts well. Too much distance between himself and the post to get that out for a corner too.
 
As I thought, Rafael caught completely ballwatching, he has no idea that Sturridge is behind him. It's good striking play by Sturridge though to follow it in.
 
Seeing that GIF, you can't really blame DDG. The Newcastle goal, 100% his fault, this one if he pushes that wide of the post, that's almost inhuman.

If you look where Gerrard takes the shot from, it's level with the near post and so DDG compensates towards that post and can't really turn the ball round the post at that angle.
 
Hannibal said:
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After watching that, Rafael is the one at fault or the midfield for messing around with the ball instead of hoofing it upfield. De Gea's position was at the centre of the goal and there's no way he could have parried that to safety otherwise he would help the ball into the net with his fingertips.
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That's exactly what I thought. Rafael seemed to lose the plot a bit when he was tucking inside more and leaving Valencia to stop the widest player.
 
Eugenius said:
Seeing that GIF, you can't really blame DDG. The Newcastle goal, 100% his fault, this one if he pushes that wide of the post, that's almost inhuman.

If you look where Gerrard takes the shot from, it's level with the near post and so DDG compensates towards that post and can't really turn the ball round the post at that angle.
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How come it was 100% his fault? The ball was lost by a midfielder facing our goal in our final third. Ferdinand didn't track his man. Never 100% his fault.

The common theme in these goals is players faffing about and losing the ball under pressure close to our own box. It happen thrice in 2nd half. It was awful to watch. Carrick, Cleverley, Evra, Rio, they're all guilty of it. They really need to pick their passes better at times. It's not the kind of goals we should be conceding. This shit get's you knocked out of cups.
 
Sixpence said:
As I thought, Rafael caught completely ballwatching, he has no idea that Sturridge is behind him. It's good striking play by Sturridge though to follow it in.
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Look again at take note of Vidic and Rio. Look at their positioning. It's mostly the fault of the player that lost the ball but our defense as a whole struggle to organize itself quickly after we lose possession. Think our last 4 goals or something that we've conceded (bar the WH game) have been due to similar erratic defending and midfield mistakes.
 
I'm looking at vidic as well. The guy trying to break forward on that side is already being covered. There don't appear to be an overlap. If vidic steps back rio could have pushed to the right side helping Rafael out but by pulling out rafael was left central and he's not a central defender. When you play close to the wing, you don't tend to think someones behind you. If they're behind you, they're in the stands. Wouldn't blame Rafael too much for the goal. Wouldn't blame De Gea or Vidic for that matter. Just one of those things.
 
Snow said:
How come it was 100% his fault? The ball was lost by a midfielder facing our goal in our final third. Ferdinand didn't track his man. Never 100% his fault.

The common theme in these goals is players faffing about and losing the ball under pressure close to our own box. It happen thrice in 2nd half. It was awful to watch. Carrick, Cleverley, Evra, Rio, they're all guilty of it. They really need to pick their passes better at times. It's not the kind of goals we should be conceding. This shit get's you knocked out of cups.
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As in, ignoring the preceding play, the goal was fully DDG's fault in that there was no element of difficultly in the shot or mitigating circumstance like having his view obstructed that could justify palming the ball out into a dangerous area. Today and vs Swansea are completely different matters but you've got the "half our team is shit crew" who'll pounce on anything.
 
Schmeichel agrees with the sane!!!
 
"The layman - the 'non-expert' - will say it's poor keeping, but it's a fantastic save"

Schmeichel has spoken, bitches.
 
He also confirms that many of us are in fact experts.
 
I miss the days when keepers could pull off those saves but push the ball out for a corner. Either way I always expect better because well...it's a united keeper, but I'd never pin blame on him or say he's shit. I'd just hope that he builds on everything and eventually has a strong wrist to push the ball away from danger even when unsighted...as would the Great Dane in times gone by.

I'll reiterate though, not playing the blame game.
 
Rado_N said:
I honestly think that there is a widespread lack of understanding when it comes to goalkeeping. Commentators and pundits alike throughout the game seem to have absolutely no fecking clue what they're talking about when critiquing this area of the game, and there are far too many people who latch on to the word of the pundit and take it as gospel, which is only making the problem worse.
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Just feel like bringing this up again; we need to see some 'keepers in the studio from week to week so that we have people there who actually know what they're talking about.
 
Schmeichel on MOTD transcript:

"Well, De Gea didn't really have much to do [in the whole game]. This is the goal. You see his view is blocked by Ferdinand and the view is blocked all the way and where the ball actually goes past Ferdinand through his legs and for me that is a fantastic save and you just hope in a situation like that, your defenders are a tiny bit more sharp."

"There is a big difference between this and the one at Newcastle because he actually pushed it out... and this is a great save and, you know, he was just very, very unfortunate that Sturridge was following in."
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Rado_N said:
Just feel like bringing this up again; we need to see some 'keepers in the studio from week to week so that we have people there who actually know what they're talking about.
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totally agree. redknapp and hansen are two of the primary reasons why De Gea is seen as so 'shaky' by everyone, even though its bollocks.
 
shaggy said:
totally agree. redknapp and hansen are two of the primary reasons why De Gea is seen as so 'shaky' by everyone, even though its bollocks.
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People will watch sky sports news, and motd and just go along with it. Paul Merson thinks we should sign Shay Given and people out there will actually think he has a point, because he's employed by sky and is a pundit on one of the most popular football shows.
 
One thing DDG can start doing is berating his defence when they are being idiots in front of him, Schmikes style.
 
I wish there was some sort of feature where you could leave this thread open for certain posters and closed for the rest. Goalkeepers only. I really think 99% of us don't have a clue about goalkeeping. It's just a completely different game. Only goalkeepers on here I know of are Commadus and Pogue who are the only ones that have looked like they had a clue when it came to 'keeper chat.
 
I used to play in goal when I was a youngster. I wouldn't try and pass myself off as some kind of expert, but I do know that an awful lot of people talk complete shit about 'keepers.
 
That's definitely true. It's also very evident in punditry. Same with strikers talking about defenders. Especially of the older generation when strikers didn't participate in the defending aspect of the game at all. Won't stop them from portraying their views as facts.
 
Brwned said:
I wish there was some sort of feature where you could leave this thread open for certain posters and closed for the rest. Goalkeepers only. I really think 99% of us don't have a clue about goalkeeping. It's just a completely different game. Only goalkeepers on here I know of are Commadus and Pogue who are the only ones that have looked like they had a clue when it came to 'keeper chat.
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I played in goal a few times, it's hard. I was stuck in as the tallest player willing to do it had a good game and stuck with it for a bit. But you can tell the difference between a guy in goal(me) and a goalkeeper. The command of an area, the awareness. Fully agree with you, that if you aren't a proper goalkeeper you won't have a clue about a lot of stuff.
 
One or two have blamed De Gea today, everybody else can see he did all he could. So I don't get this talk of only ex keepers being able to give an informed opinion.
 
Apart from kie, who can't stand De Gea and will use any goal to prove that he's right, people are usually reasonable regarding De Gea on here. When he fecks up they usually tell it as it is.
 
Jesus lads, don't take it literally. It's an exaggeration of a valid point. Some people in here talk out their arses.
 
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