David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances

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kietotheworld said:
I take no delight whatsoever in it, and I don't buy into the cult like following he's got on here where he never makes any mistakes and is definitely going to be the best goalkeeper in the world despite all neutrals working to destroy his career because of xenophobia. If that makea me a smart arse or special so be it.
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I didn't say they want to destroy him because of xenophobia, did I? You absolute tool.

I said that their first impression of him and over-reaction to his first error was coloured by a xenophobic stereotype of Spanish keepers being mostly dodgy- just like Germans are 'efficient players', Brazilians are almost always 'flair players' and all foreigners are divers and cheats while our British players are all about fair play.
 
Chesney for arsenal just made the same mistake, spilled a low shot into the path of dzeko.

Don't see everybody banging on about that though
 
I am delighted we won by the way, its just not good form to permeate the debate with 'yay we won!'. I don't want to make the thread a personal one about me either, although some people seem to want to.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Chesney for arsenal just made the same mistake, spilled a low shot into the path of dzeko.

Don't see everybody banging on about that though
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Nope Quinn just said it would be harsh to say he was to blame. Thats what SpongeJamieTightPants should have said also.
 
I honestly think that there is a widespread lack of understanding when it comes to goalkeeping. Commentators and pundits alike throughout the game seem to have absolutely no fecking clue what they're talking about when critiquing this area of the game, and there are far too many people who latch on to the word of the pundit and take it as gospel, which is only making the problem worse.
 
kietotheworld said:
I am delighted we won by the way, its just not good form to permeate the debate with 'yay we won!'. I don't want to make the thread a personal one about me either, although some people seem to want to.
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You've done this yourself. How exactly did you expect your assist comment to be taken?
 
There was nothing more he could have done for the goal, our defenders were just asleep for the rebound. He was wrong footed from a really good shot, and he did very well to get down and save that. It's practically impossible to push the ball out for a corner in a situation like that. Commentators as always being incredibly biased against foreign keepers.
 
Rado_N said:
I honestly think that there is a widespread lack of understanding when it comes to goalkeeping. Commentators and pundits alike throughout the game seem to have absolutely no fecking clue what they're talking about when critiquing this area of the game, and there are far too many people who latch on to the word of the pundit and take it as gospel, which is only making the problem worse.
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Agreed. Commentators are idiots half the time the way they react to keeper saves. Especially today, mine was constantly banging on how he could've pushed it out for a corner and he'll be disappointed when in reality it was a very good save. They seem to think that no matter what kind of shot that keepers are always capable of pushing it out for a corner.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Chesney for arsenal just made the same mistake, spilled a low shot into the path of dzeko.

Don't see everybody banging on about that though
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The only thing the American commentators wanted to talk about after our game was the DDG "mistake", absolutely not a word about Szczesny doing basically the same thing from the same four commentators.
 
Rado_N said:
I honestly think that there is a widespread lack of understanding when it comes to goalkeeping. Commentators and pundits alike throughout the game seem to have absolutely no fecking clue what they're talking about when critiquing this area of the game, and there are far too many people who latch on to the word of the pundit and take it as gospel, which is only making the problem worse.
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It's incredibly how much power pundits and commentators still have. Had a few mates some years back who always resorted to "well, X said so and he's on TV so he knows better".

The lack of goalkeeper pundits is a bit odd though. Sure, there's only one or two good ones at each club compared to 20+ good outfield players, but you'd think some TV networks would be interested in having a former goalkeeper to give a different perspective. Schmeichel worked for Danish TV until last season, but he was only the host for the CL games. His contribution to punditry usually consisted of getting laughed at by Elkjær and Brian Laudrup for very poor jokes on how Schmeichel would always defend the keepers. Top bantz. Whenever he tried to actually offer his opinion based on his experience as a keeper they'd usually just ignore him and go on about something completely different.
 
Only seen it once from behind the goal but I thought it was a good save from a tough shot across him. You can't always knock the ball out wide, your priority has to be saving the shot. The should be more blame on Rafael letting Sturridge pounce on the loose ball.
 
Rado_N said:
I honestly think that there is a widespread lack of understanding when it comes to goalkeeping. Commentators and pundits alike throughout the game seem to have absolutely no fecking clue what they're talking about when critiquing this area of the game, and there are far too many people who latch on to the word of the pundit and take it as gospel, which is only making the problem worse.
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There isn't enough goalkeepers who are pundits IMHO.In France sometimes we see Bernard Lama or a former PSG keeper as pundits and most of the time they give different and accurate analysis of keepers's mistakes and exploits.
It is sad when fans know and understand football better than ex pros, it is testimony that there are a lot of really thick footballers out there who become pros
 
He'd obviously seen it late as it came through the defender's legs, and as the poster above has said - his main priority is to stop the initial shot from going in. If posters think that in that fraction of a second between seeing it and saving it for De Gea to look around, calculate the angle he should save it at and then do so then they're lacking footballing intelligence.

Rafael should have been alert to the fact that it was a tough shot to keep hold of, and he made the costly error or switching off. I genuinely don't see how it could be De Gea's fault this time.
 
They were saying he should have nudged it around the post...from the middle of the goal. How do they expect him to do that?
 
Couldn't do anything about their goal, it was their first effort and the defence didn't block the shot, he saved it and they did't help with the rebound either. Jamie Redknapp and co will try blame De Gea for not pushing it over the stadium but it was him who started all this with the Charity Shield Dzeko long range goal anyway. Its not as if he makes a habbit of running out of his area or pushing peoples shots into his OWN NET is it now....
 
That goal was Rafael's fault for daydreaming and not realising Sturridge was behind him.
 
Kraftwerker said:
kietotheworld is just our resident United misanthrope.

He seems to take no joy from watching United.

Just look. Instead of celebrating a victory and praising some of the great performances, his only focus is to come on and discredit De Gea.

He's almost pissed off that we won because it limits his scope for having a go at our players. But he'll always find a way.
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I'd say he's the Luis Suarez of the forum. Snide wum who'd do anything to win an argument.
 
I'm glad that I am not the only one bemused at the claims he should have turned it around. I thought he did well to get down and save the initial shot. When you look at the replay from behind the goal, it's impossible to see how he could have done anything more than he has.
 
We're just going to be stuck having to listen to idiotic announcers (presenters, analysts, pundits, whatever) who are trying to outdo each other in flogging De Gea. My guess is that this will go on for a few more seasons.

It's maddening because it's directed at one keeper and not ALL other keepers who have spilled exactly the same kind of ball.

Until De Gea is accepted by the media on the same terms as every other keeper, we have no choice but to highlight their double standards.

And when De Gea makes a genuine mistake, we should have no problem with anyone pointing it out.
 
marcosdeto said:
i think he had a very good game today
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Same... He's easily a better keeper than Reina already. Thought it was a good save in real time and it's harsh to criticise him for that when as others have pointed out Rafael should have tracked him.
 
no.7 said:
to many times he palms the ball into the danger area - basic keeper practice - but he's very young and will only improve - fingers crossed
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Watch all other goalkeepers, they do it too. It just inpossible to hold onto every ball and clear it behind the line ffs.

Its annoying how every single goal is tried to put as his mistake in here
 
no.7 said:
to many times he palms the ball into the danger area - basic keeper practice - but he's very young and will only improve - fingers crossed
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Perhaps we should ask opposing strikers to stop taking shots that are difficult to save.

Seriously, what exactly would you have had De Gea on the Gerrard shot today? You can say he should have caught it with both hands, but it took a full stretch just to make the save. You can say he should have directed the ball inches past the post and out of the reach of Sturridge, but that's a huge ask of a keeper. Imagine De Gea, in trying to deflect the ball just past the post, instead deflects into his own goal.

Rafael had a terrific game but if we're going to be honest and just not take cheap shots at De Gea we have to acknowledge that Rafael was mostly at fault for the Sturridge goal.
 
I think he could have done better with that save, wasn't an "amazing" save by any stretch of the imagination, wasn't the most powerful shot, nor was it the most accurate. He should have pushed it further out imo. That said, Gerrard should have never been allowed that space to shoot anyway, and Rafael fell asleep for the rebound.

Also, those comparing it with Schezney's, I watched both games, and wasn't the shot from City much more powerful/close to him? I remember them being different, will watch again on MOTD though.

De Gea is still a top keeper, not helped by our brainfart defending though.
 
One Night Only said:
I think he could have done better with that save, wasn't an "amazing" save by any stretch of the imagination, wasn't the most powerful shot, nor was it the most accurate. He should have pushed it further out imo. That said, Gerrard should have never been allowed that space to shoot anyway, and Rafael fell asleep for the rebound.

Also, those comparing it with Schezney's, I watched both games, and wasn't the shot from City much more powerful/close to him? I remember them being different, will watch again on MOTD though.

De Gea is still a top keeper, not helped by our brainfart defending though.
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Gerrard hit the ball when it was bouncing, it was basically a half volley - of course it was fecking powerful!
 
Adam-Utd said:
Gerrard hit the ball when it was bouncing, it was basically a half volley - of course it was fecking powerful!
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Just because you catch something on the half volley doesn't mean it was powerful, it definately wasn't one of the best strikes of the ball Gerrard is capable of. Like I said though, I'll have to watch it again on MOTD.

It's strange:
Media = De Gea is shit and everything he does is shit.
Redcafe = De Gea is awesome, he is never at fault.

There's no middle ground.
 
One Night Only said:
Just because you catch something on the half volley doesn't mean it was powerful, it definately wasn't one of the best strikes of the ball Gerrard is capable of. Like I said though, I'll have to watch it again on MOTD.

It's strange:
Media = De Gea is shit and everything he does is shit.
Redcafe = De Gea is awesome, he is never at fault.

There's no middle ground.
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Agreed.

As an example see below, did he do anything apart from the save for the goal?

marcosdeto said:
i think he had a very good game today
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One Night Only said:
Just because you catch something on the half volley doesn't mean it was powerful, it definately wasn't one of the best strikes of the ball Gerrard is capable of. Like I said though, I'll have to watch it again on MOTD.

It's strange:
Media = De Gea is shit and everything he does is shit.
Redcafe = De Gea is awesome, he is never at fault.

There's no middle ground.
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Why would you make such a claim? All caftards acknowledged De Gea's fault last season. The season, he's been spot on, unless you're making the argument that a keeper should always be at fault for every goal scored on him. Today's goal appears to some to be De Gea's fault. Fine. The middle ground that you crave is sitting right in front of you.
 
I appreciate it was a good save but when similar happens three times in v quick succession (swansea, newcastle, today) and each time leads to a goal, that is something I would expect the coaches to look and say he needs to look at that part if his game.
It strange really as I've always thought that was one of his strong points and advantages over hart previously, pushing shots into 'good' areas.
 
Just watched it back properly, while watching Jamie Redknapp's appalling analysis of the goal.

Can someone, preferably some blaming DDG today, explain to me, how the feck they expect him to push that ball around the post, from the middle of the goal? Infact, it wasn't even the middle of the goal, it was nearer the other post.

Is it even physically possible to push it around the post from that angle?

Lets be honest, if Rafael had reacted to it and cleared it away afterwards, everyone would be hailing DDG for making a very important save. Well, apart from that dickhead Redknapp, who wouldn't have even mentioned it.
 
One Night Only said:
Just because you catch something on the half volley doesn't mean it was powerful, it definately wasn't one of the best strikes of the ball Gerrard is capable of. Like I said though, I'll have to watch it again on MOTD.

It's strange:
Media = De Gea is shit and everything he does is shit.
Redcafe = De Gea is awesome, he is never at fault.

There's no middle ground.
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We arent defending him over everything, sure he has made mistakes before.

But the goal today he couldn't have done much different. People are just saying everytime we concede he should/could of done better, its getting ridiculous.
 
AKDevil said:
I appreciate it was a good save but when similar happens three times in v quick succession (swansea, newcastle, today) and each time leads to a goal, that is something I would expect the coaches to look and say he needs to look at that part if his game.
It strange really as I've always thought that was one of his strong points and advantages over hart previously, pushing shots into 'good' areas.
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I agree. We won the game so it hasn't cost us. But at least the coaches can now identify this area of his game and try to work on it.
 
Wonder if he would have gotten less stick if Gerrard's shot had just gone in
 
I'll watch it again tonight, but I definately think he could have done better with that today, either pushed it round the post, or just further out? Really don't remember it now with everything being said on here :lol:

As I said earlier though, todays goal was mainly the fault of us not closing down and Rafael having a nap.

Does anyone know if De Gea wears contact lenses?
 
Usually when a keeper plays it around the post or sideways, they palm it and De Gea was at full stretch to finger tip save it. If he tried to finger tip it around the post i'd wager he would now be sitting with a broken finger and a Gerrard goal rather than a Sturridge goal.

Taking the people who think it was a mistake by De Gea - Goalkeepers are making this mistake pretty much weekly then, as there are plenty goals scored like this where a keeper makes a save and then the Striker reacts quicker than the defender to score.

Like others have said, if Rafael had acted quicker after the save, which he should have, nobody would be doubting that it was a good save.
 
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