David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances

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Seriously with the english lesson girls? Is it really that important?

De Gea has done really well this season IMO, had it been from the day of this season onwards, De Gea would be dragging the plaudits over Hart IMO as form wise this season he has looked the superior of the two.

However, even if you look at last season, that was his first in a new country and league, does anyone have any info on Jo's first full season?
 
I feel sorry for Joe Hart. De Gea has already bettered him overall as a keeper and in time will leave Hart behind by a considerable distance. What saves Hart's reputation is that he's an Englishman playing in England. If the two were playing in Germany or Italy there's no doubt that De Gea would be much more highly regarded in either country.

The only reason to regret not having signed Hart long ago is that he was apparently available for 600,000 pounds, rather than the 20m pounds Fergie had the Glazers spend on De Gea. That 19.4m could have been spent on a midfielder like Martinez and we'd have an England keeper, who's admittedly very good and probably good enough, in goal. Instead, we never did go in for Martinez (a shame), but have in goal a keeper who's well on track to being the world's best keeper in 2-3 years' time.

But in terms of pure quality mano a mano, it's an easy call now. We're used to seeing the spectacular saves that De Gea makes and thus discount them as routine. While he's not perfect (I haven't seen a perfect keeper yet), De Gea has done a sensational job of managing the position while being put under horrendous pressure by a back line which everyone agrees has been porous this season as well as last season. I believe that will change when Vidic and Smalling hold the two CB positions down and Rafael returns, but for the time being De Gea's shot blocking ability literally kept us in the title race until the last few seconds of last season and it's no exaggeration to argue that he was our best player in the second half of last season.

Has anyone mentioned that De Gea is only 22? Unbelievable that he's this good this early in his career.
 
AKDevil said:
Yeah Valdez. Another overrated keeper. God his lucky to have the cv he has.
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Valdez is underrated by everyone other than the Barcelona set up. He started off a liability but has been the best keeper in la liga at times. And la liga has had better goalkeepers than the premier league for a while
 
You can expect Casillas comparissons, ability at a young age and his nationality obviously, but no reason he cannot emulate his career if he works hard
 
Being a keeper can mean a very quick fall from grace - Hart's a good keeper but one bad season can be followed buy another, then the pressure is piled on. I think we are lucky de Gea has done so well given the pressure he has been under.

Look at Cesar for example - 3 or 4 years ago he was being touted as the "best in the world" by some, now he's struggling to get in QPR's team - it can turn around so quickly for a Goalkeeper.
 
His mental strength was named as his best quality by a number of people when we signed him. The way he's dealt with the over the top criticism has been impressive.
 
Only Negative

The only negative thing in my mind and it is a huge IF, I just can't see a young Spanish kid, no matter how well he does, wanting to spend his career at an English team and I know Hectic or Sultan or Solius or someone will come and give me 100 people proving me wrong but I do vaguely remember quotes about him being homesick (At the time of his bad form - Which is more understandable and could have been paper bollocks).

What do you guys think? I don't think there is any doubt about him having the potential ability to be a world beater, discussing if or not he will is done to death and only time will tell, but if he does or does not fill his potential how do you think this will affect him staying at Utd?
 
ciderman9000000 said:
So you'd forgo the use of correct grammar, the forgoance of which from others really irritates you (exclamation mark!), in order to adhere to some vague cyber/online social media convention which demands you ignore the rules of correct grammar, the ignorance of which from others really irritates you (exclamation mark!)?

Do one.
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How do Facebook or MySpace present themselves on their web pages? With a lower case f and m. Note also the lack of any capital letters in URLs or email addresses. Those are the general - not absolute - social media conventions I am talking about. The whole thing is situation dependent.

All this aside, and I apologise for the distraction from the thread - I think de Gea managed to deal with all the early criticism because he had no, or little, grasp of English and could/would not read what was written or listen to what was said about him. That plus excellent mental strength and the right people around him as you say and he only has to focus on the job at hand. It's no surprises his performances are, on the whole, more consistent too.
 
Having too much time on my hands, when VDS announced it would be his last season, i watched the best goalkeepers in an attempt to understand who would be the best to replace him with. Dedicating so much time to studying the position i quite enjoyed it and started watching different techniques and understanding what was good goalkeeping and what wasn't. With that in mind and still keeping as much of an eye on keepers as the outfield play, i have no problem right now saying, on ability alone, de Gea (Solius) is already better than Casillas.

Come at me Caf.
 
I see you've added you're own little clause in there with the "on ability alone" line but even if that were to be true ability isn't the whole story.

All things considered De Gea (FU!) is not better than Casillas.
 
nemanja15 said:
How do Facebook or MySpace present themselves on their web pages? With a lower case f and m. Note also the lack of any capital letters in URLs or email addresses. Those are the general - not absolute - social media conventions I am talking about. The whole thing is situation dependent.
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It's Nemanja. Capital 'N'.
 
Drainy said:
Joe Hart is probably around the Casillas (current level- when he was younger he was brilliant)/Valdes level. De Gea is a little off that.

Buffon is probably still the best in the world.
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This is the funniest one that comes up each season. Buffon isnt even the best keeper in Serie A
 
Jaybezia said:
The only negative thing in my mind and it is a huge IF, I just can't see a young Spanish kid, no matter how well he does, wanting to spend his career at an English team and I know Hectic or Sultan or Solius or someone will come and give me 100 people proving me wrong but I do vaguely remember quotes about him being homesick (At the time of his bad form - Which is more understandable and could have been paper bollocks).

What do you guys think? I don't think there is any doubt about him having the potential ability to be a world beater, discussing if or not he will is done to death and only time will tell, but if he does or does not fill his potential how do you think this will affect him staying at Utd?
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That's a reasonable concern. This is the same concern I had with Ronaldo and it turned out he did want to leave for Real. It's only a matter of time before De Gea (yes, the small "d" is technically correct) is lured by Real, which is why we better have a contingency plan in place for that in a few years. But then again, perhaps De Gea will enjoy collecting trophies, embrace everything about United and stick it out for an entire career. And it may well be that Real won't be as attractive a destination in the future as it has been for years. Look at Ronaldo...it does appear that he truly would love to come back to United. (And I hope that he does come back!).
 
#Carl said:
I see you've added you're own little clause in there with the "on ability alone" line but even if that were to be true ability isn't the whole story.

All things considered De Gea (FU!) is not better than Casillas.
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I don't judge Casillas on how he brought the Spanish squad together or his leadership at Madrid, which doesn't seem to be helping them much mind. Having watched every Madrid game since Ronaldo went there i am comfortable sticking my neck out on this one. By ability i meant, if you took Casillas out now and put de Gea in, Madrid would be better off. Performances and that i believe he can do everything Casillas does, and in some areas is alot better.
 
Jeff Stelling having a go at De Gea now. "Should United buy a new goalkeeper in january?"
 
Apparently the entire OT crowd are on his back

What fecking bullshit is that?
 
It's a joke, so much bullshit the last 15 minutes from Soccer saturday. Is it Sky we are watching?!
 
They tried to make a point about Evra being poor defensively but Stelling interrupted them saying we have to focus on de Gea because the crowd are on his back at the moment. You could see "the ire and the anger from the crowd" when he tipped the ball over the bar, apparently.
 
"He's done that 3 or 4 times this season" on the messed up punch. Well how about you show all the times where he's come out punched the ball clear. There must be plenty of examples in the last few matches alone. Joe Hart has probably made more mistakes this season that De Gea.
 
So stupid how they focus on him, and then to suggest shay given is a joke. Didn't show any of the top saves he's made. He's 21/22 if they or fergie don't expect some mistakes then that's just unrealistic.
 
Soccer Saturdays pundits have never actually had any clue about football. Noone watches it for the analysis, they watch it because each one of them are funny feckers.
 
If anything, our fans have been very supportive of DDG, right from the start.
 
I don't understand everything Thompson said, but did he say the save Foster did, de Gea would never have saved that?
 
Where's the Joe Hart discussion then?
 
Has everyone forgotten how shit Foster was when he played for us? Talented keeper but hasn't got the mentality for a top club. de Gea is several classes above.
 
Aint gota Kalou said:
Has everyone forgotten how shit Foster was when he played for us? Talented keeper but hasn't got the mentality for a top club. de Gea is several classes above.
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Apparently the club is too big for De Gea as well :wenger:
 
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