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David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances
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Something you wanna get off your chest Jake lad? 
Given? top 10 in the world? In what universe??
Was.
Yeah when was that exactly?
y'know... that time when he had a good game? Dont tell me you forgot!
Merson suggested we get in Shay Given for the Champions League
Great keeper in his day, finished now.
Ridiculous comment.
No he wasn't.
OK, poor is overly critical. He obviouslt wasn't poor. He was a good Premier League goalkeeper. See Jaaskelainen, Sorensen etc. He's of that ilk. Good keeper. Not close to being good enough for one of the big boys.
For Ireland, which is where I seen him play more often than club football, he was world class.
He was certainly capable of the occasional worldy. Doesn't make him World Class though and certainly doesn't put him in the top 10 in the World at any point in his career.
He was absolutely outstanding in the majority of games he played in internationally before age caught up with him. There was nothing occasional about his performances.
That's all well and good. It doesn't explain his club performances though.
Eh? He was a quality PL keeper for years. You must only remember the last couple of years when his age and injuries have caught up with him.
No he wasn't. I'm 28, I remember plenty.
He used to look sensational at times with his flashy saves. Sometimes he'd have one of those games where he'd look unbeatable. That's why I said teams where he was kept busy definitely suited him.
As I said, he was a good Premier League 'keeper in company with the likes of Jaaskelainen.
Not as good as the best and probably not quite the tier below (Friedel, Howard et al) but certainly on the level below that.
Had nothing to do today, but am I the only one who thinks he could come out for some of the balls that are played in behind the back 4? There were 2 or occasions today where I thought he was going to come out and gather the ball but eventually the ball was cleared away.
I wasn't online at this time, what was this?
I remember Given as the kind of keeper who could have an annoyingly good game against us, before looking annoyingly ordinary the week after. A good keeper but not an exceptional one.
Meanwhile, an extremely quiet day at the office for him, but still a couple of moments when he had to be on his toes to help his defenders. There's a skill in staying awake and he has it.
Meanwhile, an extremely quiet day at the office for him, but still a couple of moments when he had to be on his toes to help his defenders. There's a skill in staying awake and he has it.
It's definitely something he needs to improve on. I'm sure it's something he's attempting to get right though. I wouldn't worry.
He saved Smalling from scoring an own goal.
What occasions were they? Do you reckon it's possible that there was some communication going on between the defender that cleared the ball and the keeper?
It didn't look like it. The first one that comes to mind was when Evans seemed to be waiting for De Gea to come out and collect but kicked it out anyway and the 2nd time it happened Evans had a go at De gea (The commentry team mentioned this incident). Not a major issue but I think it would help our defenders out if he could come out for some of those.
There have definitely been a few instances over the last 2 games where you'd expect your goalkeeper to come out and deal with it but he's left it for the defenders.
I'm not worried about it though, dealing with balls into the box is one of the most difficult things for 'keepers to master in this country. I'm sure it's something he's working on.
I'd rather he stayed back and let the defenders deal than come out and miss.
I missed the first 20 minutes or so, so I didn't catch any problems today. The keeper should cover the 6 yard box. Outside of that area it's more likely that the defender has it covered.
Must have been your sister, Jake.
That he did. It might have been Smalling's first touch of the ball and he was much too close to De Gea to deliver a back pass. De Gea took care of the miscue and all was well.
Two clean sheets straight and some people (not you, championo) are still looking for things to nitpick in De Gea's play. Unbelievable.
I have no clue what Smalling was doing there, too hard for a back pass, Smalling lost his awareness, was scared out of his mind of the pace of Kone.
I know Smalling needs time to get back, but you never pass straight at your goal at least that is what I was thought when they found out I was not good enough forward, midfield...
Pointing out areas he cam improve upon is hardly a crime now is it?
Just going back to the Swansea goal, if you look at Hernandez's first goal today, it was identical and Al-Habsi could do jackshit about it.
Exactly, and no one rightly made a deal about it because he could do nothing about it.
I think SAF has finally settled on DDG and stopped rotation which is good to see. Lindegaard can get the FA cup games but DDG should play the rest.
On the stream I was watching the commentators were quite critical of Al-Habsi for parrying it straight to an attacker.
Commentators do have a penchant for wanting goalkeepers to defy the laws of physics.
What are you doing? Are you being deliberately provocative here?
I've noticed you do this a few times then bitch when people start swearing at you. You bring it on yourself.
A goalkeeper should not parry directly to an attacker. Obviously that's an error and the person should be criticised. That's why de Gea was rightly criticised for the first Newcastle goal. It still doesn't mean he fecked up against Swansea though.
this is actually true. More often than not the criticism of goalkeepers is unjustified. My favourite from today was when there was a mix up between Evans and de Gea, Evans cleared it and gave de Gea a look. The commentator said "he's had nothing to do today, the least he could do was come for it" as if whatever had happened in the previous 85 minutes has any impact on whether or not it was right to come for it or leave it to the defender..
I'm trying to refute this paranoia-fuelled myth that De Gea gets a hard time from pundits and commentators. People write this sort of crap all the time "Goalkeeper X did this and didn't get any criticism, but when De Gea did it he got pulled up on it", it goes completely unchallenged even when it's completely inaccurate.
De Gea was criticised for parrying against Swansea even though people thought it was very difficult to do anything else, so was Al-Habsi in very similar circumstances. It might be used as part of an argument that goalkeepers are treated unfairly in general, as above, but this shite about other goalkeepers getting a lot more slack needs to stop.
To be fair, it's actually true that De Gea gets a lot of stick that is unwarranted. Mark Lawrenson last week came out with "we all know that he can't deal with crosses" as if he hasn't been watching the lad for the last 12 months, his mistake against Newcastle suddenly brought about people saying his handling is a weakness in his game etc.
It's not personal, it's just that a lot of football coverage is aimed at mass coverage, not the informed caf member who watches most of our games live. It's an easy narrative to make - expensive young goalkeeper from spain struggling to adapt to the English PL. Same reason why Rafael isn't getting any praise because it's an easy soundbite to typecast him as fullback who can't defend.
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