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David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances
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He might be brilliant but he's still overrated, he's regularly referred to as the best in the world despite the fact that he isn't.
Can you name 10 keepers that are better than him?
I could give it a go, I wouldn't really have a problem with him being in the Top 10 though - I certainly wouldn't say there are 10 who are clearly better than him. He's a very good goalkeeper, maybe even a world class one, but he's certainly not the best in the world, not at this stage of his career at any rate.
Joe Hart is probably around the Casillas (current level- when he was younger he was brilliant)/Valdes level. De Gea is a little off that.
Buffon is probably still the best in the world.
Buffon is probably still the best in the world.
Manuel Neuer is the best goalkeeper in the world.
I see you watch Bundesliga regulary.
Last season he wasn't even best in bundesliga, he is very good this season though.
De Gea is overrated, Hart is underrated.
That's a fact.
That's a fact.
De Gea is underrated. Hart was brilliant last season but he has make a lot of mistakes this season. Still, I would say that only Casillas, Neuer and Buffon are better than him.
De Gea in 3 years will be the best in the world. This year I think he has been much better than Hart but it is too early to say that he is a better keeper than Hart.
De Gea in 3 years will be the best in the world. This year I think he has been much better than Hart but it is too early to say that he is a better keeper than Hart.
On the basis of this season's performances...or last season's performances?
Two very different answers depending on which question you're asking.
The straightforward fact is that Hart has regressed this season, admittedly off a very good season in 11/12, while De Gea has substantially improved from 11/12.
Based on this season's performances, De Gea > Hart. Fact. But I wouldn't at all mind having Hart on the bench behind De Gea.
Redcafe has an unhealthy obsession with Joe Hart.
Who the feck cares? Hart is a brilliant young goalkeeper, as is De Gea. They are both likeable characters as well. Don't really see the need to compare De Gea to Hart after every PL round, and the constant complaining ala "if that was De Gea making the mistake Hart made we'd never hear the end of it..." is a bit embarrassing IMO.
Who the feck cares? Hart is a brilliant young goalkeeper, as is De Gea. They are both likeable characters as well. Don't really see the need to compare De Gea to Hart after every PL round, and the constant complaining ala "if that was De Gea making the mistake Hart made we'd never hear the end of it..." is a bit embarrassing IMO.
Two players at top clubs in England, same position, both young keepers, i think comparisons are inevitable especially as Hart is constantly being touted as the best keeper in the world by the English media.
I imagine that is because fans are particularly sensitive to injustices done to their club and it's players. It's quite clear that the media loves to play up any mistakes that De Gea makes, or doesn't make but 'looks uncertain' while doing something and gloss over his moments of brilliance- while Joe Hart is free to jump over the ball, flap at crosses, parry the ball out to the opposition, panic and leave his goal, have mix ups with defenders and generally be crap at distribution with barely a mention, while his decent moments get blown up into something special and his special moments cause pants to moisten in all the studios and newspaper offices across the land. Throw in the fact they are both goalkeepers at the Manchester clubs at a time when they are the 2 best teams in the league and you can understand why they get compared obsessively.
The facts are that Joe Hart at 25 is a good keeper at a time when there are few great keepers, he makes mistakes and doesn't get anywhere near enough shit for them when you compare to De Gea who at 22 is nearly as good as him but yet if you listened to the press you'd be excused for thinking he is the second coming of Taibi.
No, its not. Its your opinion mate.
How can Hart be under-rated when he's pretty widely touted as the best goalkeeper in the world? Is he the greatest of all time or something? I can't understand why this is being discussed in the De Gea thread anyway, it's unfair to De Gea to compare him to a keeper like Hart, Hart is a few years older, has played in England all his life and (partly) as a result is a lot better.
R.N7 is winding you all.
De Gea is a good young keeper with great potential who is expected to make mistakes at this stage in his career. Time will tell if he fills that potential but imo he is a better GK than what Hart was at this age.
Hart has reached a better level so far but his form this year has been well below that of last season. He has made more errors than most this season but due to last seasons form it's been getting over looked. This will only go on for so long then it will start to get looked at.
At the moment it has been seen as a blip, but its now started to go on longer than a blip and we are seeing errors more frequently. Time will tell if Hart will get back to the level he was last season and hold this level consistently or if he is the keeper we are now seeing and last season was a high point. His career to date makes it hard to tell at this moment. But neither are the best GK's in the world on last seasons form Hart was in the top 10 but on this seasons form he wouldn't even make the top 10 and given his limited appearances in the top flight its hard to say for or against him what really is his true level.
I just wish he'd stop coming up for City corners from the 2nd minute onwards...
The only ways Hart is 'a lot' better than De Gea are his physical attributes (being 6 foot 5 and well built, while De Gea is around 6 foot 2 and like a stick) and his command of the area (owing to his physical attributes and his experience of the English game).
Hart has made mistakes this season but he's still been better than De Gea. De Gea has improved considerably in the last 12 months though. If he continues in this vein then he'll be a phenominal goal keeper.
But yes, Hart is over rated by the English press and it is annoying that they seem to gloss over Hart's mistakes yet choose to highlight De Gea's. That isn't Joe Hart's fault though.
But yes, Hart is over rated by the English press and it is annoying that they seem to gloss over Hart's mistakes yet choose to highlight De Gea's. That isn't Joe Hart's fault though.
De Gea is more than capable of totally dominating his penalty area. We've seen it this season. It's just some games he seems reluctant for some reason.
There was a game a few weeks ago (I'm sure it was Stoke or West Ham or some other tall team) when everyone was worried about De Gea and actually he came out and dealt with every single ball into the box brilliantly.
Yeah Valdez. Another overrated keeper. God his lucky to have the cv he has.
I disagree with you about the media (journos and pundits) and its reporting on De Gea. If not prejudiced, it is ill-informed and ridiculous.
You can opine on DDG however you wish but I really think the media have it in for DDG.
To be fair when you can run as fast as he can there's not much chance the opposition will score on the counter
I get that, but I still think it is a bit silly. Who cares if the media might treat some players differently? Nor do I really think it is all that bad tbh. But posters on here tend to be on the lookout for anything slightly negative that is written about DDG (although some of it is justified), and likewise, some posters tend to blow Harts mistakes, and the media's handling of them, out of proportion as well.
It just seems a bit small time to me when we have to defend any mistake DDG makes with a reply that Joe Hart made a mistake as well. It doesn't really matter.
I do understand that they both play for Manc clubs, obviously. As far as I am concerned they are both top keepers as well. The difference for me, which according to my own ramblings should be posted in another thread, is that Hart has a little more experience, a larger frame and has a couple of extremely good seasons behind him. DDG has yet to reach that sustained period of playing brilliantly that Hart reached last year. Therefore, Harts mistakes are probably written off a little easier. DDG on the other hand is on his way up, and will probably be viewed with more skeptisicm by non-United followers.
Hart is more consistent at it. I think his physique gives him an advantage in that. De Gea is improving but he'll never have the natural advantage that Joe Hart has.
De Gea is absolutely class in my opinion and he will only improve.
His positioning and agility can make easily make up for 3 inches of height.
And plus his fingers are like cucumbers
His positioning and agility can make easily make up for 3 inches of height.
And plus his fingers are like cucumbers
Sure, once he improves his strength and gets more experience. It is difficult to get his huge hands to the right place when the attacking players manhandle him.
I feel like I need to make everyone aware that it's 'de Gea', not 'De Gea'.
Bye now.
Bye now.
What if it's used at the start of a sentance?
I... don't know.
Solius... 
'de Gea
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That really irritates me too! Same with van Persie; and being an English student, I do also know what is meant to be the correct way to go about it.
In a sentence, it is David de Gea and Robin van Persie. You might also say that de Gea made a great save or van Persie scored a fantastic goal.
But the lower case changes to be capitalised, as always, at the start of the sentence (even though it does look, to my eye, strange):
De Gea restarted the game with a goal kick. Van Persie won the header.
In a sentence, it is David de Gea and Robin van Persie. You might also say that de Gea made a great save or van Persie scored a fantastic goal.
But the lower case changes to be capitalised, as always, at the start of the sentence (even though it does look, to my eye, strange):
De Gea restarted the game with a goal kick. Van Persie won the header.
If such things annoy you so much then why does the 'Nemanja' in your username begin with a lower case?
May I suggest you just shut up about it in order to not further portray yourself as a massive, boring and hypocritical cnut...
May I suggest you just shut up about it in order to not further portray yourself as a massive, boring and hypocritical cnut...
How very observant of you. It's often a cyber/online social media convention for such things as user and site names to begin with lower-case lettering, such as in your own, that I mimicked when I made my username. What I was referring to was the actual names of two real individuals after the questions earlier in the thread - there is a clear distinction between the two, virtual vs. reality (just in case you don't realise, 'nemanja15' is not my real name).
But then you probably knew all of that already.
In the meantime, to get the thread back on track, hope de Gea also starts the next couple of games and we see the back of this regular rotation. Newcastle's first aside, I think he's really starting to look the part.
So you'd forgo the use of correct grammar, the forgoance of which from others really irritates you (exclamation mark!), in order to adhere to some vague cyber/online social media convention which demands you ignore the rules of correct grammar, the ignorance of which from others really irritates you (exclamation mark!)?
Do one.
Do one.
Here's a de Gea picture to calm things down.
From that I'd say he was between 6' and 6'2". There's no way he's 6'2"+ if the height of those flecks of rain are anything to go by.
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