Well, I cant argue about subjective opinions so that's fair enough. I think Fergie realises the potential of both goalkeepers though, and dont want to lose either one of them. I think right now that they are at a similar level of ability, which is why it would be unfair (in my opinion) to make one a clear first choice without anyone of them deserving to be dropped.
David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances
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Well, I cant argue about subjective opinions so that's fair enough. I think Fergie realises the potential of both goalkeepers though, and dont want to lose either one of them. I think right now that they are at a similar level of ability, which is why it would be unfair (in my opinion) to make one a clear first choice without anyone of them deserving to be dropped.
That's fair enough, I think De Gea's the superior keeper and that his potential is much higher than Lindegaard's. His distribution and shot stopping ability is top notch already.
Lindegaard in my eyes is a very good backup keeper.
If de Gea can sort out his abillity to deal with crosses he'll be fine. He already is a great shot stopper, his decision making is better this year also.
I know there's a lot of talk about crosses, but we were spoilt with great keepers like Schmeichel and VDS who were amazing at dealing with crosses.
Which current goalies are really good at dealing with crosses? Schmeichel mentioned Neuer, but are there others? Czech is decent, but nowhere like Schmeichel and VDS. Reina is awful, Casillas only boxes the ball, if, and Hart is about as clumsy as DDG... Lindegaard isn't much better either.
That's the thing, the skill of coming for crosses is becoming less prevalent in keepers as the game has evolved. A lot more teams keep the ball on the ground and this means antipicating and shot stopping are becoming more important. It is a weakness that is completely overstated in my opinion.
It's a weakness overstated by the fact that few keepers are good at it any longer. VDS just recently retired, and he dealt with crosses very well. I wouldn't mind if DDG could do the same, but it gets a bit redundant to criticise him for this as there are almost no keepers today who are good at it; why is Hart left off the hook, Reina, Szcesny (or how the hell you spell that name), Casillas (DDG is criticised every time he boxes the ball, but Casillas is the best goalie in the world, yet has hardly held on to a cross in his life).
If I were a goalkeeper I'd catch all the crosses.
Schmeichel himself admits he found the physical nature of the Premier League difficult in the beginning, at this time did he still look like the best keeper in the league?
He was named the world's best goalkeeper at the end of the 91/92 season. his first season with us.
Him struggling is one of those stories that's become a little exaggerated, he had a great start to his career at United, got carried away,had a wobble for a couple of months then came back strong.
Yes. Schmeichel coming to United co-incided with us suddenly having the best defensive record in the land and he was a class above anything Fergie had ever signed before. He looked the best keeper in the league from day one IMO.
I can't recall Schmeichel having any wobbles 91/92. We lost the title initiative because the goals dried up rather than any problems with the defence IMO. He was top class for the whole of 92/93 and was pretty much recognised as the world's best keeper after the Euroes in 92. He had a few contenders over the years but I always had him as the world's best until he left United in 99.
He had one or two spells of poor form and he made some bad errors but all keepers do. For me, they were later on in his United career as well(96/97 and some of 98/99).
I don't think Schmeichel is a good comparison as he was alot older and more experienced when he came in and he's also one of the greatest keepers of all time.
The comparison with Schmeichel is always going to be unfair as he is the best goal keeper of all time; I just cannot see it any otherwise. He was the complete goal keeper, no doubt. As Ole's bodyguard mentioned, he did have some contenders who won the goalie of the year, but in reality they were never close to him. He did make the occasional howler that VDS never would, but he was also a game saver much more so than VDS and more in the ilk of DDG. Give DDG time and he can contend for one of the greatest of recent history; I doubt he will reach the heights of Schmeichel.
DDG will be ten times the goalkeeper that Schmeichel ever was. I stake my reputation on that.
Drunk? I know it's an exaggeration, but even if DDG has the potential, would you say that he will become 10 times the player that Schmeichel was? Is Messi 10x the player Maradona was?
Can I be the one to drive that stake through your heart? please, please, please - I wanna!
DDG will be world class. Of that I'm sure.
What is this 'reputation' that you speak of Cider?
What is this 'reputation' that you speak of Cider?
And yet you just carried on typing?
My reputations are varied and multitudinous.
DDG will need to improve a lot to be as good Schmeichel in one to ones. Its a huge weakness in DDG that doesnt get mentioned much on the CAF.
Example? He's fine in one on ones?
I can't remember DDG being in any one on ones tbh. Schmeichel was good though.
Exactly. He is a "line keeper". He tends to avoid them.
Eh? How can a keeper avoid a one on one situation? Surely the keeper has little choice in the matter.
There are a few saves in this compilation in which De Gea was certainly the last line of defence, if not perhaps in the traditional one on one situation:
He means that De Gea doesn't charge out to challenge the opposing player in a typical "one on one" situation like a lot of 'keepers do (Schmeichel, for example); instead, he'll stay on his line and attempt to dive for any shot that comes in.
He really hasn't had to face many, or even had the opportunity to face many. That's because our defence sits very deep most of the time (often forced to by how deep our midfield allows itself to be pushed when out of possession).
I see. Well whatever technique DDG feels most comfortable with is fine by me as long as he stops the ball hitting the back if the net; it's only a fair criticism if he was conceding too many goals this way, but from what I've seen it just hasn't been an issue.
Should've saved that.
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His distribution isn't that good. He has excellent technique for a goalkeeper, but his passing and kicking accuracy isn't at his best this season.
Disagreed. He's easily top 5 in the world in terms of distibution.
I agree he CAN BE, but he isn't showing that. Tonight he had two or three shit passes.
No keeper has ever been like Schmeichel in one on ones. Its hardly a weakness in De Gea's game. Name me a keeper thats really good in one on ones? Its just one of the things that make Schmeichel the best ever that hes one of the few keepers ever where attackers felt they were fighting an uphill battle to score even with just the keeper left to beat.
De Gea is fine in one on ones.
You can replace DDG with the name of every single goalkeeper to ever play the game.
The saves he made today...How have we not been starting De Gea?
He was brilliant.
Brilliant. The saves I've come to expect from him, but again he looked very confident with aerial balls and dealt with them efficiently.
feck rotation, play this guy everytime please.
feck rotation, play this guy everytime please.
I don't quite understand how he made some of those saves
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