What an absurd argument. It's like criticising the rotation in CM because our CM was at it's best when we had Keane and Scholes playing every week. We were at our best in those days because we had a world class goalkeeper - if we had a Schmeichel or a van der Sar today we wouldn't be rotating, that's for damn sure, and stopping rotating isn't going to make Lindegaard or De Gea suddenly become world class. It wouldn't have made VDS or Schmeichel perform like spastics either, in fact towards the end of his career VDS was often rotated with people like Foster and Kuszczak and he coped with it fine.
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What an absurd argument. It's like criticising the rotation in CM because our CM was at it's best when we had Keane and Scholes playing every week. We were at our best in those days because we had a world class goalkeeper - if we had a Schmeichel or a van der Sar today we wouldn't be rotating, that's for damn sure, and stopping rotating isn't going to make Lindegaard or De Gea suddenly become world class. It wouldn't have made VDS or Schmeichel perform like spastics either, in fact towards the end of his career VDS was often rotated with people like Foster and Kuszczak and he coped with it fine.
We were always brilliant playing two keepers in goal
This chap should be our number one.
One of, if not the best shot stoppers in the league.
One of, if not the best shot stoppers in the league.
I just don't get it. Lindegaard's performances hasn't excactly forced Fergie to not put De Gea back in goal after tooth-gate.
I think we can all agree that there's a very thin line between getting it right and getting it wrong, with respect to player management.
In my judgment, Fergie got it right by sitting De Gea down the last few weeks, although we could have dearly paid for it.
What's beyond any reasonable dispute now is that De Gea is the substantially better keeper over Lindegaard. But it's a long season and De Gea is still a er young keeper and thus I have no objection to how Fergie is handling both keepers.
But I would like to see Lindegaard improve his play, which is a pretty good reason for Fergie to keep playing him.
In my judgment, Fergie got it right by sitting De Gea down the last few weeks, although we could have dearly paid for it.
What's beyond any reasonable dispute now is that De Gea is the substantially better keeper over Lindegaard. But it's a long season and De Gea is still a er young keeper and thus I have no objection to how Fergie is handling both keepers.
But I would like to see Lindegaard improve his play, which is a pretty good reason for Fergie to keep playing him.
Good post that
Why is De Gea's superiority beyond reasonable dispute?
Why is it not?
The same reason Hernandez's superiority over van Persie isn't beyond reasonable dispute.
You dont get the point. Consistancy is key - for our midfield, back 4 and Goalkeeper. Always has been
I bet he will start vs city
So we'd better keep De Gea on the bench for as long as possible then, yes? After all, being consistent is key.
Yeah, Linde is a world class keeper and much more experienced than De Gea
What a fecking retarded statement.
FYI: If anyone has experience at a higher level outside, I'd argue de Gea who won a Europa League, a Super Cup against Inter, competed in the Olympics and won a U21 European Championship is more so.
Neither are truly world class at the moment. de Gea is potentially though.
You understand that it was sarcasm.
Oh!
Shit. I took the bait.
Shit. I took the bait.
Obviously DDG should be our no. 1 keeper
But we did rotate when we had Keane and Scholes in the middle, Nicky Butt got his share of games.
There are 50 odd games in a decent season, if you have some one of VDS or Schmeichel caliber then sure around 40 of them you can expect him to be there baring injury.
De Gea did 39 last season, it's hardly massive rotation.
Lindegaard was injured though for the second part of the season.
This year they have played about the same amounts of games which is completely unexplainable when we consider how much is De Gea better than Lindegaard.
By rotated you mean dropped when injured and missing out on second string line ups?
Indeed.
Not to mention the comparison is absurd, we're talking about a young goalkeeper who still has everything to prove and needs consistency to develop vs. one of the most respected goalkeepers of his generation at the end of a stalwart career being 'rotated' (it was by no means the same kind of rotation) with keepers who had no chance of taking his n°1 spot.
I'm sure we're all agreed that it was an embarrassing post from kie; he's made himself look a right clueless feckwit.
De Gea will get back in,no worries. I think at least 2 of the games he missed were due to his wisdom teeth problem, but that is just me guessing
The comparison exists because one player is being picked as a first choice and the other is sitting on the bench while he plays ahead of him. If someone is going to say that the player on the bench is superior to the player who is starting, and that it's beyond any reasonable discussion, it should be quite easy for that person to provide evidence for it.
OK, we rotated, but the point is we were better back then because the players available were of much higher quality than the players available today, just like with the goalkeeper situation when you're comparing to VDS and Schmeichel. There seems to be an attempt to switch cause and effect here - that De Gea isn't as good as VDS or Schmeichel because he keeps getting rotated rather than the much more obvious truth that it's the other way round.
The reasons are almost irrelevant, in fact, injuries should make it more difficult for a player to adapt because he has physical problems to cope with as well. In 2009-10 Kuszcak and Foster made 17 League appearances between them - van der Sar coped with it just fine.
No, there doesn't exist such a comparison. Everyone can see that RVP is miles better than Hernandez. It is only you who is saying that Lindegaard is better than De Gea and make such a silly comparison. I can accept (though not agree that Linde is better than De Gea), but that comparison is non sense. Is not that Lindegaard is Buffon or Casillas to make such a statement.
De Gea should cope with it just fine, but that doesn't equate to rotation being the best course of action.
Of course he doesn't compare to Buffon or Casillas, if my comparison indicated that I believed he does then I worded it poorly.
I think Kietotheworld just likes taking the opposing view to the norm in these kind of threads, for arguments sake.
Not at all, I'm just more likely to post when I disagree with the majority opinion, if I feel I have something new to add to the discussion.
What is your point though, exactly?
You'd likely be better received if you stop talking in riddles and getting VDS wrong.
I was giving you a goal kick, kind of like a get out of jail free card, for you being a bit of a dope.
Dope it is, then.
That Lindegaard is currently better than De Gea (and certainly worthy of being in the same conversation), which explains why he's getting picked over him.
Also that rotation isn't a bad thing when there's no great gulf in quality between the keepers, Lindegaard's presently better, but it's still a good idea to give De Gea a few games because he's more likely to develop into a world class keeper.
He seems to be saying we should stick to one GK, for consistency or that we should buy a world class keeper, I can't tell which.
In what way is Lindegaard a better keeper?
De Gea has better distribution, better reflexes, he has better mental strength and more big-match experience despite being a lot younger.
The one area Lindegaard was meant to be 'much better' at (dealing with crosses) he showed that he isn't that much better at all. In fact, when given a run in the side DDG has shown confidence when coming for crosses and has improved in that area of his game.
I'm not saying Lindegaard is shit (he's a solid backup) but I don't see how he is better than DDG.
When you say 'currently better', is that an acceptance that De Gea is potentially the better goalkeeper?
I don't think Lindegaard is better than any keeper playing regularly in the league. I don't think he will get much better than he is now.
He makes less mistakes and is safer on crosses, Saturday's holocaust aside.
Absolutely.
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