David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances

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I'm fine with Fergie trying this rotation thing, but he has to be willing to learn when it's not working - which it clearly isn't.

He's basically said he'll play a keeper til they f*ck up, and then the other one will come in. That's no way to get the most out of keepers. Has there ever been a world class keeper who didn't play regularly, week-in week-out for his club? No. Fergie. There has not.
 
Beachryan said:
I'm fine with Fergie trying this rotation thing, but he has to be willing to learn when it's not working - which it clearly isn't.

He's basically said he'll play a keeper til they f*ck up, and then the other one will come in. That's no way to get the most out of keepers. Has there ever been a world class keeper who didn't play regularly, week-in week-out for his club? No. Fergie. There has not.
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As much as I agree De Gea should be playing, it's this sort of overdramatic thing that annoys me. Yes, world class goalkeepers play week in week out, but De Gea is hardly world class at the moment.
 
Cheesy said:
As much as I agree De Gea should be playing, it's this sort of overdramatic thing that annoys me. Yes, world class goalkeepers play week in week out, but De Gea is hardly world class at the moment.
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He didn't call him world class, all he said was that world class keepers play every game. How is De Gea supposed to become world class if he isn't playing?
 
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Unlikely. Fergie said there is no reason not to play Lindegaard which is why he has started the last few games.
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This rotation thing is bloody annoying.

De Gea clearly more talented with alot more upside. Has performed very well this year too. Shouldn't have been dropped for lindegaard in the first place.
 
Honestly, I just don't get it. You have the best young goalkeeper in the world, who has looked composed, who is learning and is forming a good understanding with his defense, and what do you do? Drop him from 3-4 league matches, which can't be good for a players confidence, and bring in a keeper, who aside from collecting crosses is inferior in every way. I just don't get it.
 
WIll surely start in the CL and against City.

AFter such a horrific performance by Anders, there really is not option.
 
Fergie said LIndegaard is the no. 1 keeper now. Dont understand it. DDG is a fantastic talent and has done better than Lindegaard for me
 
Well he said he's not let him down yet, so he will stick with him. Today's game should force him to change his mind.
 
Orton said:
Well he said he's not let him down yet, so he will stick with him. Today's game should force him to change his mind.
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I'm not so sure eventhough it would only be fair as he dropped DDG as well when he had a poor game
 
Also, Fergie being a bit of a hypocrite here. De Gea didn't deserve to lose his spot in the first place? He was playing well until he missed the Norwich game with the teeth thing. He dropped De Gea for one mistake against Fulham, so lets see if he does the same with Lindegaard now after the shocker he had today.
 
Orton said:
Also, Fergie being a bit of a hypocrite here. De Gea didn't deserve to lose his spot in the first place? He was playing well until he missed the Norwich game with the teeth thing. He dropped De Gea for one mistake against Fulham, so lets see if he does the same with Lindegaard now after the shocker he had today.
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Agreed. He is a bit harsh on DDG, Im not sure whether he does it to protect him or if he's just tough with him
 
I think Fergie isn't handling the goalkeeper situation very well. I don't think I'm coming out with a groundbreaking opinion that no one else has had, but I was thinking about it, and I get the feeling he's trying to deal with the Lindegaard-De Gea 'rivalry' (or competition, whatever) as he would for a field player. Basically, I'm convinced that in his mind, SAF believes that putting them one against the other, forcing them to compete, dropping them after mistakes, is going to make them stronger and will benefit the team in the long run. I don't agree with him. I think Fergie doesn't quite grasp the specificities of being a goalkeeper (that's no slight on him, he's amazing on so many other points, I doubt it's blasphemy to point out some weaknesses) and this situation at the moment is just hurting De Gea (cos in any case, I doubt, whatever he says in interviews, that Lindegaard came believing he'd be n°1). I think the right thing to do would just be to stick De Gea in goal when fit for the major games (PL, competitive CL games) and use Lindegaard as a backup who plays cup competitions. Where you can get away with this type of rotation policy with most field players, it's really difficult for a goalkeeper due to the particular nature of the position which requires good reflexes with your defence, habits, communication, comprehension... things that come with long strings of games, confidence and so on.

I might be wrong, I hope so in any case, but I really don't think this constant dallying with the GK position is doing us any favours at the moment.
 
Maybe SAF is doing this to protect De Gea. When we threw Tim Howard into the deep end, he nearly broke down. I still remember that goal he conceded against Porto, that was the final nail. Granted i'm not saying DDG and Tim are necessarily the same, but one thing this rotation policy does well is yanking them out of the media spotlight should they make a mistake.
 
de Gea didn't make any mistake though.
 
Fergie has fecked up by rotating DDG when he was looking confident in goal, there was no reason to bench DDG once he recovered from his teeth problems.

Whilst SAF makes the decisions, surely someone on the coaching staff (Eric Steele) has the ability to note that rotation is stupid, it doesn't work and DDG is the better prospect so should be playing every week?

Thing that worries me is that DDG will probably play in the CL game, look to impress too much (as he did at Newcastle) and end up making a mistake whereby he'll get slaughtered again and probably rotated.
 
At the moment I really don't care anymore whether Lindegaard or De Gea is between the sticks. De Gea will get his chance, but Lindegaard is doing a good job for us.

I think Ferguson sees De Gea as promising, yet inconsistent. Lindegaard is more consistent and consistency will win you points. With City mounting a stern challenge every earned point will be crucial. In addition, Ferguson hasn't much time left as a manager. He doesn't want to retire with no trophies won.
 
Our defense has been shit most of the season based on the fact we have yet to have a stable run of games with the same back 5, it really doesn't help when neither Keeper actually knows for how long they are going to be in there. De Gea really did nothing wrong other than have some teeth issues and suddenly we are back to silly bollocks rotation games, its infuriating.

The one thing with the rotation policy is both of our Keepers are excellent shot stoppers but both a little suspect when claiming the ball aerially (not to say both can't ever improve that). Now I could understand rotating the Keeper based on the oppositions strengths IF we had two keepers with different skillsets, we don't therefore rotation doesn't do anything but upset the natural order of things.
 
The only reason I can think of right now is that SAF thinks it is fecking weak to not want to play just because of pain in the teeth.
 
It was said before yesterday's game. Am sure SAF could see Lindegaard's performance yesterday.
 
The "keep your place till you make a mistake" policy is shite though. Helps nobody.
 
Varun_Utd said:
The "keep your place till you make a mistake" policy is shite though. Helps nobody.
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I agree. All keepers make mistakes, if they're lucky it doesn't cost a goal, but it is a matter of luck.

The issue with keepers is always how do they recover from a mistake in a game and in the next game. Knowing a mistake can cost them their place must make the recovery harder and if it affects their confidence/concentration during a game it could cost us more points than the initial error.
 
We are conceding so many goals and Fergie's at fault partly. If the goalkeeper is constantly changing, it doesnt bring much stability to our back 4 either.

Our best days we had with a Schmeichel, VDS in goal playing day in day out
 
De Gea is a lot better and I can barely remember any mistakes he has made this season. Weird why he was dropped.
 
While I also feel frustrated DDG is not given enough opportunity to becoming a world class/regular No. 1, I also understand why Ferige is doing the rotation. The day when he sees DDG as a proven quality, he will make up his mind to use him as regular No. 1. For now, he still needs to ensure Lindergaard gets enough games to be a proper substitute. DDG has many opportunities in the grand scheme of things and in years to come, as he's still very very young and raw. In a few years, he can be spoken of in the same breath of a world class keeper if he has patience now to prove himself. Lindergaard deserves his place overall and a little competition is just good for the team.
 
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