David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances

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Damien said:
Here's the first goal. Credit again goes to SunhiLegend:

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The more I look at it the more I think he should have come for it. The main culprit is Carrick who should be heading that ball away before it gets near De Gea, but I do think De Gea should be anticipating the ball coming over the first line of defence to stop it from landing right where it did. Basically, when the attackers are so close to the goal and one of them gets a header on target, if De Gea saves it it's because the ball hit him, not because he knew anything about it. So in my view his choices are to stay on the line and cover a small part of the goal, or come off his line and gobble up the cross to prevent it dropping to an attacker (or, as in this case, a defender running towards his own goal) at the back post if it clears the first line of defence. Yes, sometimes when Walters gets a head on it and De Gea is off his line he will look silly, but I still think the highest percentage play in this situation is to prepare to claim the cross if the defender doesn't deal with it.
 
Freak said:
No way is that his fault. The defenders should have dealt with that. Keepers only come and claim crosses when the crosses are high. That cross was not at all high, it should have been cleared even before it got to Rooney's head. The defenders should have dealt with it. As simple as that.
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He should have attacked the ball instead of just standing their like a zombie. Most goalkeepers would come out and try wrest control of the ball in that situation.
 
Nah I'm not sure he can come for that given it looks a certainty to be headed away. You just have to credit the delivery. That said, as mentioned earlier, I think the general unease towards De Gea and crosses into the box breeds that kind of mistake.
 
He was right to stay on his line, the ball is out of his reach and is hit quite low. Don't think he would be able to clear that ball.
 
It was inswinging and dipping early.

He'd have had to have reacted before he knew any of those things were going to happen if he was to make it to that ball.

He wasn't at fault there at all. If anything, we weren't set up to mark the free kick at all, we should have treated it as a corner and marked it a bit more zonally. By marking tight to your man there as most were, it's much more difficult to defend an inswinger than it is to attack it on the front foot.
 
Carrick's defending for first goal is really awfull, he didn't even jump.
 
Forevergiggs said:
He should have attacked the ball instead of just standing their like a zombie. Most goalkeepers would come out and try wrest control of the ball in that situation.
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Nah - most keepers today are not good in the box. Look at Hart who is supposedly one of the best in the world, but he is almost as terrible in the box as DDG is. Reina is woeful, Czech is decent, but nothing more - you are thinking back on the days of Schmeichel and VDS who were both amazing at controlling their box, but those days almost seem gone. Casillas is also atrocious btw.
 
If he had come for it and the first Stoke player got a head on it; as he could have done, then he would have looked like a right numpty; the CAF would go into meltdown too.
 
Holy shit :eek: how good was that save at the near post.

Someone gif that shit! Only just got around to watching the game. Christ what a save!
 
Forevergiggs said:
He should have attacked the ball instead of just standing their like a zombie. Most goalkeepers would come out and try wrest control of the ball in that situation.
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:lol:

David De Gea in come out misses ball and Rooney OG shocker. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

Personally I'd rather him come for everything too. But it's not a strong part of his game and players are going to exploit it. We just have to accept that he's got to work on that part of his game. Having said that it was an abysmal attempt at trying to win the ball from Carrick.

By the time he see's that the ball is well and truly sailing through onto Rooney's bonce and into the goal.

It means it would have had to have been a pre-meditated advance for the ball and someone with the confidence level that he's displaying just isn't going to do that unless it's absolutely safe.

Love it or lump it. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
 
Rossa said:
Nah - most keepers today are not good in the box. Look at Hart who is supposedly one of the best in the world, but he is almost as terrible in the box as DDG is. Reina is woeful, Czech is decent, but nothing more - you are thinking back on the days of Schmeichel and VDS who were both amazing at controlling their box, but those days almost seem gone. Casillas is also atrocious btw.
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This. The modern keeper no longer dominates his area. Just watched this last night, it was a good delivery hit hard. The ball should be cleared by Carrick which is a yard or so in front of the near post. He was caught flat footed by the pase on the cross. This gave DDG no time to do anything. same with Roo, basically he runs in, it hits him and goes in.

As a keeper, you have to go with the idea, that if you have a man covering the near post, and the ball comes in at head height, then your guy will get something on it. You only come for the ball if you know you are going to get something on it, you do not come on the off chance it eludes your first man because he fails to jump.
 
It's irritating how some seem to pin the blame on De Gea for something in every single game. If Carrick attacks the ball better the problem is cleared
 
What's wrong with some of you one here. Jesus. Look at that free kick first of all. Adam almost hit it perfectly. It was in a very dangerous position and we rarely concede a free kick in that area but some stupidity from Scholes got us into that position. If you want to blame anyone, blame Scholes.
Carrick usually get's outmuscled in challenges like that. Cameron just held him off. Simple as that. We had Rooney marking Shawcross. In situations like that Stoke are simply at and advantage so long as the pass is good.

It's hard for me to take people seriously who think that DDG should have come out for that ball.
 
RyanGoggs said:
It's irritating how some seem to pin the blame on De Gea for something in every single game. If Carrick attacks the ball better the problem is cleared
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That doesn't take away from the fact that DeGea should have made an effort to attack the ball. He is rightly getting blamed for this.

If we can go gaga over his shot stopping ability then we can equally blame him if he is in the wrong. It is a fact that he is an excellent short stopper who is terrible in the box from set-pieces. He still needs to work with the coaching staff in order to home certain skills. We won't see the best of him before a year or two. We would need a solid defense during the period, which has also been a problem since he joined us.
 
Forevergiggs said:
That doesn't take away from the fact that DeGea should have made an effort to attack the ball. He is rightly getting blamed for this.

If we can go gaga over his shot stopping ability then we can equally blame him if he is in the wrong. It is a fact that he is an excellent short stopper who is terrible in the box from set-pieces. He still needs to work with the coaching staff in order to home certain skills. We won't see the best of him before a year or two. We would need a solid defense during the period, which has also been a problem since he joined us.
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The ball was coming through at a relatively low projectory and through at least three or four players. If he had come and one of the aforementioned players had headed it people would complain about de gea coming out and flapping at the ball that he couldn't win.
 
RyanGoggs said:
The ball was coming through at a relatively low projectory and through at least three or four players. If he had come and one of the aforementioned players had headed it people would complain about de gea coming out and flapping at the ball that he couldn't win.
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This is the problem though. We need him not to flap at crosses.

As has been said, most keepers would have come for that ball. Its a tricky situation, especially for our defenders who will be worried that he may flap if he comes for it or may not come for it at all. So it creates a lot of uncertainty.

It will hopefully come with time, but clearly he needs to be far more authoritative in the box.
 
That ball should have been dealt with before it got to him. No way would he have expected the defenders not to head it out.
 
Randall Flagg said:
This is the problem though. We need him not to flap at crosses.

As has been said, most keepers would have come for that ball. Its a tricky situation, especially for our defenders who will be worried that he may flap if he comes for it or may not come for it at all. So it creates a lot of uncertainty.

It will hopefully come with time, but clearly he needs to be far more authoritative in the box.
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But if he had come for it and Carrick had headed it clear as he should have people wouldn't praise de gea for coming for it but lambast him for coming for a ball he couldn't claim. He cant win
 
RyanGoggs said:
But if he had come for it and Carrick had headed it clear as he should have people wouldn't praise de gea for coming for it but lambast him for coming for a ball he couldn't claim. He cant win
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It not the question of if X,Y or Z on an internet forum blast him. Who cares about that? The problem a few are pointing out is that he didn't make an effort to do anything and stood their like a zombie.

Who cares if Tom, Dick or Harry on Redcafe praise him or not. To become a great keeper he needs to learn to deal with set-pieces. He looks like a lost puppy at times and on this occasion it had nothing to do with the physicality of the league either.
 
Forevergiggs said:
It not the question of if X,Y or Z on an internet forum blast him. Who cares about that? The problem a few are pointing out is that he didn't make an effort to do anything and stood their like a zombie.

Who cares if Tom, Dick or Harry on Redcafe praise him or not. To become a great keeper he needs to learn to deal with set-pieces. He looks like a lost puppy at times and on this occasion it had nothing to do with the physicality of the league either.
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I dont think anyone disagrees with this notion. Perhaps the scenario we're talking about isn't the best one to criticize DDG's frailties. Credit to Adam for a quality ball. At the speed it was traveling, De Gea would have to had known where it was going to deal with it properly. We can argue about this scenario for days but definitely seems like the case of damned if you do, damned if you don't. It's basically a split-second decision we're arguing about. I'm sure no one would be happy if he came for it and missed.
 
Moriarty said:
My Spanish is a bit iffy but I'd treat this report as if it appeared in the Sun. It's cobblers.
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I can imagine it though, he's not that good at English and Manchester isn't the best of cities to central Europeans. Then again, players are usually with their team mates or training.
 
Steven Seagull said:
The ball was whipped in at head height. From when the ball goes through Carricks head onto Rooney, De Gea had about 0.1 seconds to react. It's nothing to do with him.
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He also saw the ball travelling from 30 yards away, he could have took a step forward and punched it clear. He's probably been told to stay on his line now though.
 
letranger0 said:
The more I look at it the more I think he should have come for it. The main culprit is Carrick who should be heading that ball away before it gets near De Gea, but I do think De Gea should be anticipating the ball coming over the first line of defence to stop it from landing right where it did. Basically, when the attackers are so close to the goal and one of them gets a header on target, if De Gea saves it it's because the ball hit him, not because he knew anything about it. So in my view his choices are to stay on the line and cover a small part of the goal, or come off his line and gobble up the cross to prevent it dropping to an attacker (or, as in this case, a defender running towards his own goal) at the back post if it clears the first line of defence. Yes, sometimes when Walters gets a head on it and De Gea is off his line he will look silly, but I still think the highest percentage play in this situation is to prepare to claim the cross if the defender doesn't deal with it.
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Would be tough for him to come for that. It's at a height where RVP or Stoke player could get the tiniest flick on that sending ball off the path he thought it was following.
Then, if he does come, he ends up looking like Joe Hart
 
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Diego Mariño is 6"1. Quick! We must find out his true height.
 
At first I thought he made a mistake by not coming out. But in hindsight, the ball was hit very well and very hard - difficult to get a hand on that. I'm willing to give him the benefit of doubt and it was a bit unlucky that noone headed it away either
 
Escobar said:
At first I thought he made a mistake by not coming out. But in hindsight, the ball was hit very well and very hard - difficult to get a hand on that. I'm willing to give him the benefit of doubt and it was a bit unlucky that noone headed it away either
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Same for me. I thought the cross was closer to the goal but on seeing the replay its kinda low and too far out to expect the keeper to go for it. Have to expect our defenders to get a head on that before it gets into that dangerous position.
 
The goal definitely was not his fault.
Could've saved the second one, but was hardly at fault for that one either.
 
Not his fault at all. The reason he shouldn't come out is the same reason Rooney scores an own goal, the ball is simply too close to Carrick and N'Zonzi, there is zero time to react after they both miss it.

If De Gea tries coming for crosses like that he's a fool. You come for crosses that you know 100% that you can get, it was simply impossible to know that Carrick and the Steven N'Zonzi player were both going to miss the ball.
 
Fergie should force DDG into tapping Muniain up.

Also saw a story that DDG was homesick and wanted to go back.

Although the story must be bollocks, DDG always seems to me a player who will never spent 10 years in England and prefer to be in Spain.
 
hmm said it when we signed him and still say so, obviously I understand this whole 'give him time' and 'he's only young' malarchy, but just instill me with confidence - still needs A LOT of improving and whether we should chuck him straight into the deep end is questionable. Would've much liked a more experienced keeper with DDG rotating once a while (at easier games).
 
Blair said:
He also saw the ball travelling from 30 yards away, he could have took a step forward and punched it clear. He's probably been told to stay on his line now though.
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Like i said earlier, he's not going to. He would have had to pre-empt or pre-meditate an advance to clear that. He's not had the best time commanding his box so he just simply isn't going to make decisions to come for the ball early.

Be it through coaching or his own apprehension he's staying on his line for most crosses/passes that defenders can at least attempt to deal with.
 
Re the first goal, we don't know what the team plan is for defending corners and free kicks. Obviously someone didn't do their job properly, be it Carrick or Evans or De Gea. Rooney was just unlucky. If you want to see a keeper really get one of those wrong, see Foster's rush of blood at the weekend.

De Gea played a good game overall. The second goal was abysmal defending and De Gea was unfortunate he didn't quite push it round the post.
 
Blair said:
He also saw the ball travelling from 30 yards away, he could have took a step forward and punched it clear. He's probably been told to stay on his line now though.
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Ridiculous!

You could say the same for Rooney. Everyone (especially DDG) HAD to expect that Carrick or Nzonzi woukd get something on that.
 
He'd have to have the speed of Flash to have come out for that cross.

"could have took a step forward and punched it clear"? Christ.
 
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