Not at fault for either goal...
1st - good area, Rooney just mistimed his header
2nd - backline being weak and good finish
1st - good area, Rooney just mistimed his header
2nd - backline being weak and good finish
David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances
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Can't really see how he put a foot wrong today. Possibly for the second he could have done slightly better but I thought that he dealt with all he was expected to today and the save from Adam was excellent.
He's being bailed out? What utter nonsense.
Brophs, seriously, don't engage with pondlife about goalkeepers for the sake of your own sanity.
The first goal he conceded was something I used to criticise Shay Given for so I can't say he was not completely to blame here.
Made a couple of decent saves though.
Made a couple of decent saves though.
Stop being so sensitive love. Aye, he's never fecked up, ever. Try adding just a touch of objectivity to your posts.
Correct, which is why he needs to become more dominant. We need him to be good enough to clear a ball from a crowded box.
Most keepers would have gone for that ball today. I am guessing he has been told to stay on his line though.
Beaten by a cross that beat his teammates, including one so well beaten he headed it into his own net. One of those things. He'll have better days (and worse)
I think somebody might of held your head under a pond for a few minutes.
Alright then, I'll engage, you insufferable fecking tit.
DDG has made many mistakes. No one is denying that. But what you're saying is that the goals today and of late are down to him and but for the attackers he would have been at fault for dropped points. Which is obviously bollocks. You're just banging on with your old agenda. He hasn't been bailed out of late. He's been let down by the players in front of him. The one game he did look shaky of late, Newcastle, he got away with it through sheer luck and not being "bailed out".
How's that for objectivity, love?
Here it is again ... read it,
Why is Rooney facing & then heading the ball into his own net from 4 yards ? I'll tell you, coz nobody has got a fecken clue what is going to happen in that area. It's symptomatic of a keeper (and defence) that has trouble dealing with those type of balls.
Could he have done better with the second ? Could he have ? That's his weak spot, low to his left. I don't blame him for not keeping it out mind but it is still a valid question.
And, if the attack had been blunt today United would have had zero, nil, nada points.
FYI ... I'm still looking for my 'of late' reference.
An 'insufferable fecking tit' eh ?
great craic.He got a touch on the second didn't he? He touched it onto the post with some pretty ridiculous reactions - one more inch and it would have stayed out. Lindegaard wouldn't have even been near the ground by the time it went by him.
I agree on the first goal though. The corner was the kind that a 'big' keeper would have owned. But we have to get used to the fact that we don't have a big keeper, and start building the defense with that in mind.
Unfortunately neither Evans nor Rio is dominant enough in the air. If we had Vida of 3 years ago, any ball into that space would have been his, regardless of the keeper.
But De Gea will learn. He came with a perfect punch early and set the tone. Also made all the saves he could be expected to.
I agree on the first goal though. The corner was the kind that a 'big' keeper would have owned. But we have to get used to the fact that we don't have a big keeper, and start building the defense with that in mind.
Unfortunately neither Evans nor Rio is dominant enough in the air. If we had Vida of 3 years ago, any ball into that space would have been his, regardless of the keeper.
But De Gea will learn. He came with a perfect punch early and set the tone. Also made all the saves he could be expected to.
If the attack is poor in a game of football in general you don't get many points. What a daft thing to say
If the 2nd didn't go in it would have went down as one of the saves of the season.
True, but if you're referring inadvertently to my comment I don't see your point.
Second goal has got nothing to do with him. First goal, I'd like to see him attack those balls. Once you leave them when they go so close to the goal itself they could easily go in.
As mentioned in the match day thread, he was probably instructed not to come for crosses given the current set of circumstances. And, right now, I'm happy he didn't come flapping missing the ball completely.
However, in the long-term, I would expect him to take care of those crosses.
However, in the long-term, I would expect him to take care of those crosses.
He was at fault for the first goal he should have claimed it. It was well inside the 6 yard box. It was an error - not the end of the world but denying he should have collected it is just denial.
As to the second goal - it was a poor show defensively all round - he would once he got a decent enough hand on it to have stopped it but it wasn't an error.
As to the second goal - it was a poor show defensively all round - he would once he got a decent enough hand on it to have stopped it but it wasn't an error.
I kind of agree with a lot of what Pondlife has said in here (which is frightening in itself).
Whilst I think neither goal was a De Gea error yesterday I think the team's uncertainty on his ability to deal with crosses is breeding problems and creating mistakes in the box.
I'm talking mainly about the first goal of course. The 2nd was nothing to do with De Gea.
I firmly believe he should still be our #1 though.
Whilst I think neither goal was a De Gea error yesterday I think the team's uncertainty on his ability to deal with crosses is breeding problems and creating mistakes in the box.
I'm talking mainly about the first goal of course. The 2nd was nothing to do with De Gea.
I firmly believe he should still be our #1 though.
Carrick has to take the blame for the first goal. That cross should've never got so far.
I can't put him at fault for either goal. First goal was a very good cross into a dangerous area and the second he did very well to get a hand to it.
He made quite a few very good saves to keep the score at 1-0 when stoke were looking very dangerous for a period. That low cross/shot from wide in particularly was very good considering how quick he would have had to react.
He made quite a few very good saves to keep the score at 1-0 when stoke were looking very dangerous for a period. That low cross/shot from wide in particularly was very good considering how quick he would have had to react.
Agree with the first I think with more confidence he would have started a yard further out and therefore would have came for it, but think this will come the guy has bags of potential. The second not sure but think he could have done better bit like Hart for the Dortmund goal (sorry for bringing Hart into it).
Carrick and Evans were fecking up for the first goal. How they didnt head it away is beyond me, they didnt even jump.
He was shit... made some blunders... i still don't feel confident about him... he made some decent saves but sometimes fail at keeper's basics.
For the first goal a good keeper like Petr Cech would have gone for the the ball...
For the second goal he should have tried, at least instead of watching, to go for the ball cos the ball didn't completely cross the line for a certain time... see the replay...
For the first goal a good keeper like Petr Cech would have gone for the the ball...
For the second goal he should have tried, at least instead of watching, to go for the ball cos the ball didn't completely cross the line for a certain time... see the replay...
Just caught Stoke's first goal.
There is no way De Gea is responsible for that. Charlie Adam delivers a great cross and De Gea cannot claim that, the defenders should have marked their men properly and headed it away.
There is no way De Gea is responsible for that. Charlie Adam delivers a great cross and De Gea cannot claim that, the defenders should have marked their men properly and headed it away.
Totally agree that De Gea isn't to blame for either goal. However, I do feel that the lack of confidence from the back 4 in his ability to claim the ball is symptomatic of the way we have defended certain situations.
The first goal being 1 of them.
It will all come in time though. Of that, i'm sure of.
The first goal being 1 of them.
It will all come in time though. Of that, i'm sure of.
from memory he was moving back once he realised it hadn't crossed just yet. He had just dived and got a hand to the ball, you can't really expect him to then be able to be on his feet and running back straight away, particularly as the ball would have been in the total opposite direction to where he would have expected it to go (the direction he pushed it)He was shit... made some blunders... i still don't feel confident about him... he made some decent saves but sometimes fail at keeper's basics.
For the first goal a good keeper like Petr Cech would have gone for the the ball...
For the second goal he should have tried, at least instead of watching, to go for the ball cos the ball didn't completely cross the line for a certain time... see the replay...
I think he'd have claimed the ball for the 1st one if it had came later in the match, was pretty much first delivery of the game, and he probably hesitated a little.
Here's Stoke's second (thanks to SunhiLegend of neogaf). The ball was moving pretty quickly and crossed the line in a few seconds. Even if de Gea went straight back up I don't think there'd have been much time for him to stop it crossing the line as it had crossed it not long after it went in off the post:
Can't blame De Gea for the second goal, it was nearly an amazing save,
But I'm sorry for the first one he has to come for the ball - it's about 3 yards out, head height and in the middle of the goal when Rooney heads it. Any decent keeper should be claiming that. He also never calls those crosses into the box - meaning that o.g.s are always going to be more likely.
But I'm sorry for the first one he has to come for the ball - it's about 3 yards out, head height and in the middle of the goal when Rooney heads it. Any decent keeper should be claiming that. He also never calls those crosses into the box - meaning that o.g.s are always going to be more likely.
You can't come for a ball along the 6 yard box at that pace. If he did, there was no chance he was getting near it, because it came across the face of goal so quick.
Do you not think that De Gea is right to think that Carrick should be able to deal with it in that area, he cannot come for it - it looks bad where Rooney heads it from, but De Gea simply can't gamble on Carrick or the attacker not getting it and coming for it
Can someone gif the goal?
Apparently he's told Mendes - his agent - that he's unhappy in Manchester.
http://www.elconfidencial.com/depor...ra-regresar-a-espana-y-al-real-madrid-107536/
http://www.elconfidencial.com/depor...ra-regresar-a-espana-y-al-real-madrid-107536/
Here's the first goal. Credit again goes to SunhiLegend:
Aye, and Stoke were served a huge dollop of jam too. I don't think all this chopping and changing with Lindegaard is helping his game much either.
See. He can't come for that, as there's no way he can expect Carrick or the Stoke player (is it Walters) to not head it, and if Walters gets there, he could look very very stupid
Once again, it's bollocks.
Here's the first goal. Credit again goes to SunhiLegend:
No way is that his fault. The defenders should have dealt with that. Keepers only come and claim crosses when the crosses are high. That cross was not at all high, it should have been cleared even before it got to Rooney's head. The defenders should have dealt with it. As simple as that.
My Spanish is a bit iffy but I'd treat this report as if it appeared in the Sun. It's cobblers.
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