David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances
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Even in the most one-sided games, the opposition are going to create chances, there will be periods where you're 'on the ropes' and the GK will have to make key saves at some point.
Granted DDG had a few shaky moments but we kept a clean sheet, he made a few decent saves and we won the game convincingly. He'll get better an make mistakes on the way - no need to create any dramas out of today's performance.
Granted DDG had a few shaky moments but we kept a clean sheet, he made a few decent saves and we won the game convincingly. He'll get better an make mistakes on the way - no need to create any dramas out of today's performance.
Such a great shot stopper, so much mentality issues. If only he gets it in his mind that he is very much capable of bossing the area then it won't be an issue, he does have the capability to succeed here.
Well... sort of
when I saw it in real time...thought it went in.
but that assistant probably made the call of his life, cause only about 15% was outside.
but that assistant probably made the call of his life, cause only about 15% was outside.
He's brilliant. He'll make mistakes, but he's only 21 and doesn't get a lot of help from the manager just now. I'm willing to accept a weakness in his game, as long as he is given chances to work on them in matches. There is no point in giving up on him.
Jeez, what a pussy.
I know he's a bit damned if he does and damned if he doesn't but he copped stick everywhere for not coming to deal with balls won from our defenders around the penalty area that went sailing into the net.
Stoke for example. I personally would prefer he keeps coming out and dealing with it in whatever way he can to learn and get a grip on what he is actually trying to achieve. If he howls he howls if he doesn't well it's a step in the right direction. He's not going to be a commanding monster over night. Telling him to stay back on his line will for me just bring more criticism when our defenders get beaten to the ball and they stick it in the net for not coming out to try anything.
We all knew that he isn't the best with balls played into the box in the air, but even by his standards today was a bit of a shocker in that regards. Hopefully he can learn from this game though and use it to improve on that aspect.
His shot stopping is easily up there with the best in the league, we just need to have patience I feel and he will improve with crosses. At times it seems he is trying to hard. He seems to come for balls he normally leaves and by right should be letting the defenders deal with. I think that he could be trying to hard right now to impress in the air and cement the number one spot, but it just isn't working for him right now. I'm sure if he gets a run of games again that we will see some improvement in this regards.
His shot stopping is easily up there with the best in the league, we just need to have patience I feel and he will improve with crosses. At times it seems he is trying to hard. He seems to come for balls he normally leaves and by right should be letting the defenders deal with. I think that he could be trying to hard right now to impress in the air and cement the number one spot, but it just isn't working for him right now. I'm sure if he gets a run of games again that we will see some improvement in this regards.
I don't know why he insists on coming out and attempting a punch. He understands the risks involved and his conversion rate. Let the centre halves deal with it and stay on the line.
He really was piss poor at crosses last night which was a bit of a surprise considering he had been doing much much better recently. Hopefully its just a one off and he can do much better in the next game.. He surely cant do any worse than today..
I actually thought it was a strange game to make him #1 for again really, Newcastle are a very physical team and it was going to be one of the biggest aerial challenges we'd face.
To be honest I was half expecting the performance he gave. You can't drop a young goalkeeper every time he makes half an error and expect him to be brimming with confidence his first match back.
He was either going to come out for every cross and miss some to "prove himself" or come for nothing and leave the defence exposed to be "safe". Fergie really needs to make him number 1 whenever he's fit or send him on loan for a season (see Joe hart for Birmingham).
He was either going to come out for every cross and miss some to "prove himself" or come for nothing and leave the defence exposed to be "safe". Fergie really needs to make him number 1 whenever he's fit or send him on loan for a season (see Joe hart for Birmingham).
Not really. He starts off mentioning he might know what he's talking about since he used to play goalie but he don't.
When he played goalie keepers would jump to catch a cross with their knees in front. They used to go knee first all the time. Dangerous as feck. But they never conceded a foul that way. People could also push more. Not only could keepers do it but players as well. That means they were held back more whilst going for the ball.
That doesn't explain everything but it's the truth. If you're allowed to foul someone chances are he won't do as well trying to score on you.
I also imagine with the training routines, the fact that all the players in the PL are professionals and train that way are generally stronger and more fit.
It's also not a new thing. I don't know what he's talking about in all honesty. All keepers were great at coming out for crosses? No. Given made his debut when DDG was 6 years old and he's been stuck to the line ever since. Hardly even tries catching a cross.
It's not the keepers that have changed. It's that everyone is an expert and everyone can easily express their views to the masses. You've also got more cameras, more replays and everything is analyzed to death.
I said it before - DDG biggest problem is not his weight or size but he's reaching too much with his arms for crosses. He needs to jump higher with his body and tuck his torso inand reach with bent arms. Currently he jumps arms straight and he is wide open to be taken out.
Can someone post some gifs of his flaps against Newcastle and its easier to see.
Also as we don't have a battering ram of a striker - he is not really going to be tested or pushed in practice sessions. When you see a Heskey and a Lambert running at you in the corner of your eye you are going to be a bit hesitant.
Can someone post some gifs of his flaps against Newcastle and its easier to see.
Also as we don't have a battering ram of a striker - he is not really going to be tested or pushed in practice sessions. When you see a Heskey and a Lambert running at you in the corner of your eye you are going to be a bit hesitant.
De Gea was awful yesterday and could have cost us three goals. This comes from someone who is a huge fan of De Gea.
That was inept at times...the flapping has to stop.
That was inept at times...the flapping has to stop.
Patience, guys, patience.
Yes, he was dodgy last night, but I can't really blame him for his mistakes. When you consider the amount of kicks, knees, and elbows he has taken during his time with us (Fellaini quickly comes to mind), you'll be hesitant to come out to claim balls as well. I know that was what used to happen to me (Amateur level)
He came off his line yesterday, but didn't come with 100% conviction. I don't blame him, he isn't protected enough by referees, and when a referee misses a foul, he is going to be slaughtered for his "mistake" in the press.
With time, referees will blow for more fouls on him, and he will adjust to the amount of pain he will endure when coming off of his line for long balls and crosses.
Have patience in the boy, he will be a world class keeper in a few years.
Yes, he was dodgy last night, but I can't really blame him for his mistakes. When you consider the amount of kicks, knees, and elbows he has taken during his time with us (Fellaini quickly comes to mind), you'll be hesitant to come out to claim balls as well. I know that was what used to happen to me (Amateur level)
He came off his line yesterday, but didn't come with 100% conviction. I don't blame him, he isn't protected enough by referees, and when a referee misses a foul, he is going to be slaughtered for his "mistake" in the press.
With time, referees will blow for more fouls on him, and he will adjust to the amount of pain he will endure when coming off of his line for long balls and crosses.
Have patience in the boy, he will be a world class keeper in a few years.
I agree completely...I think he will be and patience will be the key. He did have a mare yesterday though. He'll be alright I'm sure.
It really annoys me when people say "The boy"
Especially if the person they are discussing is same age or older.
Well, he still is a boy. I'm of the same age, and sort of consider myself a "boy".
Normally I'm one of De Gea's biggest supporters, but in circumstances like yesterday, where Newcastle basically didn't get anywhere near creating anything except for launching a couple of crosses into the box, I have to say he should've done better.
His flapping was awful throughout. He simply lacks conviction when coming for crosses, and it shouldn't be that bloody hard to teach.
Rest assured the coaching staff and him are working on it, though. The rest of his game is basically spot on.
His flapping was awful throughout. He simply lacks conviction when coming for crosses, and it shouldn't be that bloody hard to teach.
Rest assured the coaching staff and him are working on it, though. The rest of his game is basically spot on.
I thought vs. Cluj he dealt with crosses very well, claimed some nicely. Against Newcastle he was obviously poor, but he hasn't cost us anything, he'll learn.
What are you saying, that one player should receive specific protection and leniency from match officials?
Equally a manager is going to be wary of sending out a keeper who struggles with being in a melee, not to mention the defence he has in front of him.
No, not at all. What I'm saying is referees should blow for fouls on goalkeepers who get kicked and kneed all the time. De Gea has no protection from referees when he gets fouled, which is why he is too scared to come off of his line.
But are other keepers or club's fans calling for this more vigilant approach by refs? I had supposed that the received wisdom in England was that modern goalies are in fact too well protected as it is.
Rather than play it as per normal, I think he tried too hard to try and impress with his commanding of the box and it cost him. I do remember there was one time he was fouled which wasnt given (in fact thats happened to him at least three or four times which has been completely ignored by commentators (and refs).
but against Newcastle, there were situations where he didnt have to come out (especially with the crowd of players in front of him) and he ended up jumping from a distance and trying to reach and punch getting nowhere near the ball.
Im not a fan of rotating keepers especially if they make a mistake. If it was the policy explained to them from near the start, fair enough. But to do it after a mistake and then keep doing it means we could end up with another Howard / Carroll situation.
but against Newcastle, there were situations where he didnt have to come out (especially with the crowd of players in front of him) and he ended up jumping from a distance and trying to reach and punch getting nowhere near the ball.
Im not a fan of rotating keepers especially if they make a mistake. If it was the policy explained to them from near the start, fair enough. But to do it after a mistake and then keep doing it means we could end up with another Howard / Carroll situation.
Was dodgy and nervy yesterday.
But then swapping you in and out of the team on a weekly basis will do that to you. Pick your number one for the season and back him by playing him week in and week out. I'm not sure how this is aiding his development as a player or helping the team with a dodgy defence so far this season.
Bloody frustrating.
But then swapping you in and out of the team on a weekly basis will do that to you. Pick your number one for the season and back him by playing him week in and week out. I'm not sure how this is aiding his development as a player or helping the team with a dodgy defence so far this season.
Bloody frustrating.
didn't have a good game. It happens
Nah, it's good he's taking responsibility for it. If he lets the centre halves deal with it and the opposing strikers manages to get a header before them, we'll all be cursing him for not dealing with the cross.
He'll get better with handling crosses when he learns how to better protect himself and not allowing opposing strikers to bully him.
Easier said than done, Reina came to England in his early 20s and to this day still struggles noticeably with crosses. It is something we have to be proactive on otherwise we'll keep making allowances for De Gea and take it on faith that the necessary improvement will occur.
We knew what we were buying though, it's no coincidence given his football background. No disputing that it would be nice to see Fergie pick one of them for a dozen games and leave well alone.
It's a bit of a Catch-22 for him to be honest. Premier League goalkeepers are expected to have the responsibility to come out and claim crosses as Van der Sar has always done. But De Gea neither has the presence nor the height to fulfil that with great effect and each time he does it, he opens up a chance for a goal. The problem is that he is misjudging virtually every cross thrown at him and I would prefer if he opted to err on the side of caution.
This actually gets on my nerves. There are no signs of him yet that he will be a world class goalkeeper in a few years, a very promising one yes currently. People used to say that about Ben Foster and Tim Howard for instances, it never happened. Whatever he turns out to be is still very far-fetched
First and foremost a keeper needs to be a shot stopper. Dominating the area is vastly overrated. In dead ball situations, Premier League keepers rarely try to claim the ball and with good reason - the penalty for failure is too great. If the keeper drops the ball in a mob of players there is a significant probability that it will result in a goal. If he punches (or flaps) the ball is unlikely to end up on the ground in front of the goal.
Crosses in open play are less likely to see the crowds that accompany dead ball situations, but the issues are the same. Catching a cross is impressive - however safety first is more important. The last thing that is needed is a ball on the ground in front of goal.
De Gea isn't a dominant keeper but his "mistakes" are of the right kind and have resulted in few, if any, goals. On the other hand, he is probably the best shot stopper in the Premier League and through that has saved our bacon on a number of occasions. (Without De Gea we wouldn't have lost the title on goal difference last year - we'd have been well behind on points.)
WTF have you been smoking?
Defenders want to know that the keeper has their back and can be relied upon to take the lead when the situation warrants, people in this thread seem to be calling for a complete reversal of that.
Indeed, I'm pretty sure it unnerves defenders playing in front of him at times
De Gea is a very talented keeper. He just need to bulk up. End of.
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