David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances

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Drainy said:
He got criticism for that goal? Seriously?
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By fecking little Englanders who have no knowledge of the game. Hoddle said he should've led with his arm or something.
 
If he doesn't start at the weekend I'll be very disappointed. It is clear that he is a level above Lindegaard, and he shouldn't be left out if he makes the odd mistake. He'll improve greatly by playing games and gaining experience which will help him become more consistent.

2 fantastic saves tonight.
 
Baxter said:
If he doesn't start at the weekend I'll be very disappointed. It is clear that he is a level above Lindegaard, and he shouldn't be left out if he makes the odd mistake. He'll improve greatly by playing games and gaining experience which will help him become more consistent.

2 fantastic saves tonight.
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Aye, it was clear he grew more and more into the role last season when Lindegaard was injured. Leaving him out, and thus letting him play less minutes will probably lead to more errors.
 
Chrisjn_ said:
SAF's building up his confidence, why throw him into the deep end in tough league games where he will be targeted and risk jeopardising his progress. Let him keep working and ease him in slowly so that he truly believes in his catching/crossing ability.

Am I the only one that believes in this short term rotation policy? It will become more and more in DDG's favour anyway, soon enough.
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I think he was the best keeper in the league from feb onwards last season, he seemed to handle the mistakes quite well and seem to make greater improvements when playing every match. I think it's time to make him number 1 choice
 
Ddg is getting criticised for his gk style which all Spanish keepers are brought up in. Essentially they stand with their legs wider which gives them greater ability to make on one one saves as they stand up more. But when it comes to quick low shots they gave to go with their legs. Spanish gk save more shots with their legs. This is seen as a big weakness by British pundits but the fact is stop criticising the style look at the outcomes.

Look at Ddg saves against Everton the shot by Osman because he stands up more he could reach higher in his goals.

British pundits even most of the gk pundits do not understand this.
 
Commadus said:
Ddg is getting criticised for his gk style which all Spanish keepers are brought up in. Essentially they stand with their legs wider which gives them greater ability to make on one one saves as they stand up more. But when it comes to quick low shots they gave to go with their legs. Spanish gk save more shots with their legs. This is seen as a big weakness by British pundits but the fact is stop criticising the style look at the outcomes.

Look at Ddg saves against Everton the shot by Osman because he stands up more he could reach higher in his goals.

British pundits even most of the gk pundits do not understand this.
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This a very accurate description. Szczesny who was brought up in Poland has also a British style, he keeps his legs close to each other, widening to covered area with his hands.

I guess in one one situation both ways are effective in particular environment. Correct me if I'm wrong but technically better players would try to go around a keeper and score to an empty net. Brits and Poles who are wooden fecks will go for power with a quick shot. In that case the later style will be more beneficial.
 
What do you expect from the British press? DDG is at a good level he is 20 Joe Hart has 5-6 years on him! Yet you would think hart is the younger the way the press shoot DDG down and hype Joe Hart up clearly refusing to mention any mistake he makes where DDG kicks the ball out the park and it's highlighted!!
 
Good game yesterday. Wonderful save at the end. Agree with kouroux post about hanging on to the ball inspite of being fouled.

Kicking was a bit off yesterday. To be fair to him, I may have felt so because has set such high standards with his ability with the ball at his feet that my expectations maybe a bit too high from him..
 
I just don't agree with constant keeper rotation, imo it underminds their confidence.

You need your number 1 and a deputy.

De Gea cearly has a natural talent which is why United paid a ransom for him, but surely he needs to be allowed make an occasional mistake without knowing he is on constant trial.

Schmeichel made his fair share but he was afforded them knowing he would be between the sticks the next game. Goalkeeping has to be the ultimate confidence position.
 
Lawman said:
What do you expect from the British press? DDG is at a good level he is 20 Joe Hart has 5-6 years on him! Yet you would think hart is the younger the way the press shoot DDG down and hype Joe Hart up clearly refusing to mention any mistake he makes where DDG kicks the ball out the park and it's highlighted!!
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I had no idea Hart was 25, always thought him and De Gea were of the same age.

De Gea is our number 1 keeper, but Lindegaard deserves a few chances as well.
It isn't some sort of punishment by Sir Alex not to play him, Lindegaard isn't like normal back up keepers in the sense that he is, arguably, the best back up keeper in the league. Have patience everyone, De Gea will feature a lot more over the course of the season.
 
Got us 2 points yesterday. Its amusing to see him on the bench in the league. We have one of the, if not the most talented young GK in the world and we put him on the bench after a brilliant spell because of 1 fecking mistake.
 
He is not on the bench in the league games because of one mistake against Fulham. He is on the bench as he is not very comfortable in dealing with crosses and other set-pieces against physical oppositions in the league. He looked better dealing with corners yesterday. The better he gets the more league games he would get.
 
Commadus said:
Ddg is getting criticised for his gk style which all Spanish keepers are brought up in. Essentially they stand with their legs wider which gives them greater ability to make on one one saves as they stand up more. But when it comes to quick low shots they gave to go with their legs. Spanish gk save more shots with their legs. This is seen as a big weakness by British pundits but the fact is stop criticising the style look at the outcomes.

Look at Ddg saves against Everton the shot by Osman because he stands up more he could reach higher in his goals.

British pundits even most of the gk pundits do not understand this.
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Very well explained. Its shocking some of the nonsense Ive heard about him. Lazy journalists and commentators refering solely to his dodgy start and refused to even mention or acknowledge his outstanding performances.

Its boring at this stage.
 
Forevergiggs said:
He is not on the bench in the league games because of one mistake against Fulham. He is on the bench as he is not very comfortable in dealing with crosses and other set-pieces against physical oppositions in the league. He looked better dealing with corners yesterday. The better he gets the more league games he would get.
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He's going to improve and learn watching the action from the bench?

Has his mistakes cost us more points than he's won?
 
Commadus said:
Ddg is getting criticised for his gk style which all Spanish keepers are brought up in. Essentially they stand with their legs wider which gives them greater ability to make on one one saves as they stand up more. But when it comes to quick low shots they gave to go with their legs. Spanish gk save more shots with their legs. This is seen as a big weakness by British pundits but the fact is stop criticising the style look at the outcomes.

Look at Ddg saves against Everton the shot by Osman because he stands up more he could reach higher in his goals.

British pundits even most of the gk pundits do not understand this.
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Thank you for some common sense. Isn't it perfectly obvious that when the ball is struck close to the goalkeeper that it will take longer to fall down and stick your hands out, rather than just shoving a leg out???

Those that cannot see that are dumb!
 
Varun_Utd said:
He's going to improve and learn watching the action from the bench?

Has his mistakes cost us more points than he's won?
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Can we afford to lose points while he is learning?

Playing games is the best but not the only way to improve. I am sure the strength and other coaches are working on his physicality and other aspects in training. He still needs to command the box more than he does now. He is only young and has time on his hands. Like I said, he looked more comfortable during set-pieces yesterday, which means he is improving.

Are we losing points while he is on the bench? We have a good option in Linde, who has done a good job so far. What is the harm is starting him?
 
Forevergiggs said:
Can we afford to lose points while he is learning?

Playing games is the best but not the only way to improve. I am sure the strength and other coaches are working on his physicality and other aspects in training. He still needs to command the box more than he does now. He is only young and has time on his hands. Like I said, he looked more comfortable during set-pieces yesterday, which means he is improving.

Are we losing points while he is on the bench? We have a good option in Linde, who has done a good job so far. What is the harm is starting him?
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Which is why i asked whether he's won us more points than he's cost. If yes, surely it makes sense to keep starting him?

simply out, I believe he'l still win us more points than lindegaard. he's a much better shot stopper. The save right at the end yesterday being an example. Or the countless others he's made in the time he's been here. Lindegaard is a solid keeper but he rarely produces that brilliant unbelievable save like de gea does. Both the 2nd and 3rd goals vs spurs, i believe de gea would have saved atleast one of them. Thing with lindegaard is, he's solid. you'l rarely get the chance to blame him for a goal. But its the saves that require that bit extra that de gea has, lindegaard doesnt.
 
Ahhhhh the usual "I know better than the best manager ever" brigade are out in force again. Has it occured to you that SAF sees things in training we dont? Maybe DDG has been displaying signs of an attitude? Maybe his training hasnt been up to scratch, maybe any one of a million things could be telling SAF that rotation is the best idea at the moment, I dont know and neither do you. I have complete confidence that DDG will one day be the best in the world, all the attributes are there, but and especially for a goalkeeper he is still a very young man and there is noone better at developing young players and keeping their feet on the ground than SAF.
 
Forevergiggs said:
Can we afford to lose points while he is learning?

Playing games is the best but not the only way to improve. I am sure the strength and other coaches are working on his physicality and other aspects in training. He still needs to command the box more than he does now. He is only young and has time on his hands. Like I said, he looked more comfortable during set-pieces yesterday, which means he is improving.

Are we losing points while he is on the bench? We have a good option in Linde, who has done a good job so far. What is the harm is starting him?
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DDG needs to play. Moreover, he is the better keeper. He pulls off game-saving stops.

If he makes a mistake (Fulham) and we still win, then that's something to learn from.

You say Lindegaard is solid. I don't want that, I want a keeper that makes sure we retain leads when we are under pressure, and hold out for draws when being battered.

Fergie was bang out of order dropping DDG after Fulham. And remember who was in goal when Newcastle stuffed us last season.
 
manusteve said:
DDG needs to play. Moreover, he is the better keeper. He pulls off game-saving stops.

If he makes a mistake (Fulham) and we still win, then that's something to learn from.

You say Lindegaard is solid. I don't want that, I want a keeper that makes sure we retain leads when we are under pressure, and hold out for draws when being battered.

Fergie was bang out of order dropping DDG after Fulham. And remember who was in goal when Newcastle stuffed us last season.
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That's just stupid, Lindegaard couldn't have done anything about any of those goals. I know you want De Gea to be in goal every game, I do too, but it's no excuse to belittle our back-up keeper.
 
Commadus said:
Ddg is getting criticised for his gk style which all Spanish keepers are brought up in. Essentially they stand with their legs wider which gives them greater ability to make on one one saves as they stand up more. But when it comes to quick low shots they gave to go with their legs. Spanish gk save more shots with their legs. This is seen as a big weakness by British pundits but the fact is stop criticising the style look at the outcomes.

Look at Ddg saves against Everton the shot by Osman because he stands up more he could reach higher in his goals.

British pundits even most of the gk pundits do not understand this.
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It's fine with standing with legs wide for long range shots, and even 1/1's. However, it's definitely a disadvantage to stand with your legs wide when the ball is coming in low on the ground. Diving becomes easier, and you have more reach advantage with your hands than legs.
 
Reminds me of 1999-2000 when Bosnich was supposed to be our number one, an unbelievable shot stopper but poor on crosses etc, and Van Dr Gouw ended up as the de facto number one.
 
Varun_Utd said:
Which is why i asked whether he's won us more points than he's cost. If yes, surely it makes sense to keep starting him?

simply out, I believe he'l still win us more points than lindegaard. he's a much better shot stopper. The save right at the end yesterday being an example. Or the countless others he's made in the time he's been here. Lindegaard is a solid keeper but he rarely produces that brilliant unbelievable save like de gea does. Both the 2nd and 3rd goals vs spurs, i believe de gea would have saved atleast one of them. Thing with lindegaard is, he's solid. you'l rarely get the chance to blame him for a goal. But its the saves that require that bit extra that de gea has, lindegaard doesnt.
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Obviously he has won us more points than he has lost us. I don't know what you are trying to prove with that. He can be good in 5 games and cost us points with his defensing of the set-pieces in two, the overall sum will be greater than the points he has lost but that doesn't mean anything. Does it?

No one was stopping the Bale shot for the third goal. The blame is on the defenders for letting Dempsey run away free in the box. Bale actually should have passed ball to Dempsey in the first place to make it easier. There was no way any keeper could have done better to stop Bale's thunderous shot. How can the GK be blamed for either second or the third goal is beyond me. They were entirely on the midfield and defense.

Brilliant unbelievable saves look good but you want your defenders and defensive midfielders to do better to stop the opposition from making those shots. Lindegaard commands the box better and also positions the defenders more than DeGea, hence when he is playing we see less shots on goal form outside the box.

No one is denying that DeGea is the future and would be best GK in the world in a couple of years time. He might also have more intangibles than Linde but for now I am pretty happy with the GK situation. It is a blessing for DeGea that we have someone like Linde in our ranks, while David is getting more accustomed to the English game.
 
padzilla said:
Reminds me of 1999-2000 when Bosnich was supposed to be our number one, an unbelievable shot stopper but poor on crosses etc, and Van Dr Gouw ended up as the de facto number one.
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VDG was a brilliant keeper. IMO he was our third best keeper behind Smikes, VDS over the last few decades.
 
Sultan said:
It's fine with standing with legs wide for long range shots, and even 1/1's. However, it's definitely a disadvantage to stand with your legs wide when the ball is coming in low on the ground. Diving becomes easier, and you have more reach advantage with your hands than legs.
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DDG aside, are you being serious?

How can you possibly say that it is easier to dive than to shove a leg out???

It's easier AND faster to use your legs. Whether you like that style or not is up to you.
 
Commadus said:
Ddg is getting criticised for his gk style which all Spanish keepers are brought up in. Essentially they stand with their legs wider which gives them greater ability to make on one one saves as they stand up more. But when it comes to quick low shots they gave to go with their legs. Spanish gk save more shots with their legs. This is seen as a big weakness by British pundits but the fact is stop criticising the style look at the outcomes.

Look at Ddg saves against Everton the shot by Osman because he stands up more he could reach higher in his goals.

British pundits even most of the gk pundits do not understand this.
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Yup. I remember when Casillas was still only a few years into establishing himself in the Real side he would get the same criticism by UK pundits during CL weeks.
 
manusteve said:
DDG aside, are you being serious?

How can you possibly say that it is easier to dive than to shove a leg out???

It's easier AND faster to use your legs. Whether you like that style or not is up to you.
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The key thing you missed there Steve is where he said you have more reach with your hands. Which is true.
 
manusteve said:
DDG aside, are you being serious?

How can you possibly say that it is easier to dive than to shove a leg out???

It's easier AND faster to use your legs. Whether you like that style or not is up to you.
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I agree it's easier and faster if the ball is close to your body. A shot a bit wider, then it's definitely an advantage with legs closer together to get a quicker dive in and save with your hands. DDG is absolutely the best I've seen with high shots, but at a definite disadvantage with shots along the ground.
 
I kept wicket, I know I was coached to stand with legs closer together when standing back with quickies than with spinners standing close to the stumps.
 
Regarding some of the goals that he has 'let in' & particularly last night, I reckon he is expecting his defence to deal with with & they are often letting him down.

He shouldn't have had to make a save for that goal, it should have been dealt with, so he was just covering but not really expecting a free hit.

For the fantastic save at the end, he knew it was more likely than not that there would be an attempt on goal so he was 100% alert & pumped up to the danger & the reaction save was the sort of thing we have come to expect from him.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
Ahhhhh the usual "I know better than the best manager ever" brigade are out in force again. Has it occured to you that SAF sees things in training we dont? Maybe DDG has been displaying signs of an attitude? Maybe his training hasnt been up to scratch, maybe any one of a million things could be telling SAF that rotation is the best idea at the moment, I dont know and neither do you. I have complete confidence that DDG will one day be the best in the world, all the attributes are there, but and especially for a goalkeeper he is still a very young man and there is noone better at developing young players and keeping their feet on the ground than SAF.
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Ahh, the usual "manager knows best" brigade. Why have a forum then?

Forevergiggs said:
Obviously he has won us more points than he has lost us. I don't know what you are trying to prove with that. He can be good in 5 games and cost us points with his defensing of the set-pieces in two, the overall sum will be greater than the points he has lost but that doesn't mean anything. Does it?

No one was stopping the Bale shot for the third goal. The blame is on the defenders for letting Dempsey run away free in the box. Bale actually should have passed ball to Dempsey in the first place to make it easier. There was no way any keeper could have done better to stop Bale's thunderous shot. How can the GK be blamed for either second or the third goal is beyond me. They were entirely on the midfield and defense.

Brilliant unbelievable saves look good but you want your defenders and defensive midfielders to do better to stop the opposition from making those shots. Lindegaard commands the box better and also positions the defenders more than DeGea, hence when he is playing we see less shots on goal form outside the box.

No one is denying that DeGea is the future and would be best GK in the world in a couple of years time. He might also have more intangibles than Linde but for now I am pretty happy with the GK situation. It is a blessing for DeGea that we have someone like Linde in our ranks, while David is getting more accustomed to the English game.
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It means we can afford to have him there and give him experience if his mistakes are few and far between. He's hardly costing us goals every other game. On the other hand, he's saved our asses a lot. My point about him winning us more points stems from that. If he's winning us points due to his shot stopping ability that lindegaard wouldnt, we can afford to have him play even when his handling of crosses is still improving.

Bale's shot should have been parried away from the goalmouth. Not lindegaard's error but he certainly could have done better for that goal.


Am with you on the last bit. Yes, its great to have 2 very good keepers but for me, De gea is still a better bet than lindegaard which is why i want him to start in the league for us.
 
Varun_Utd said:
He's going to improve and learn watching the action from the bench?

Has his mistakes cost us more points than he's won?
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No, he was one of our best players from February onwards last season, and was fine with those big physical teams. Infact the hardest game of all, away to Stoke last season he had a great game there too.
 
Lindegaard let in three last time he played, de Gea made a couple of very good stops to keep us in the lead last time he played. Based on the goalkeeping selection this season in which 'keepers are apparently dropped for a mistake, in their learning curve, which don't cost us points... I'd expect to see de Gea play on Sunday.
 
Orton said:
No, he was one of our best players from February onwards last season, and was fine with those big physical teams. Infact the hardest game of all, away to Stoke last season he had a great game there too.
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Stoke away really isn't the hardest game in terms of physicality in the league. It's just a stupid soundbite people use because Stoke play boring, unimaginative football with very little intention of actually trying to win games against teams they know are better than them. If anything I'd say you'd find Chelsea or City to be more physical matches with the likes of Kompany, Lescott, Kolarov, Zabaleta, Yaya Toure, Barry, Terry, Ivanovic, Cahill and Mikel than Stoke. Not to take anything away from DDG but the Stoke away myth just isn't true.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
Ahhhhh the usual "I know better than the best manager ever" brigade are out in force again. Has it occured to you that SAF sees things in training we dont? Maybe DDG has been displaying signs of an attitude? Maybe his training hasnt been up to scratch, maybe any one of a million things could be telling SAF that rotation is the best idea at the moment, I dont know and neither do you. I have complete confidence that DDG will one day be the best in the world, all the attributes are there, but and especially for a goalkeeper he is still a very young man and there is noone better at developing young players and keeping their feet on the ground than SAF.
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Varun_Utd said:
Ahh, the usual "manager knows best" brigade. Why have a forum then?
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I see your point Sparky but Varum also has a good point, which is, why bother having a forum.

According to me i am the best Boxing/ MMA coach in the business. No fighter would loose if they could follow my tactical gameplan whilst i am shouting at the Telly.

Dont over concern yourself though mate, i doubt Fergie reads the caf.
 
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