I think he has some fatal flaws in his game - very bad at handling cross and lack of authority in his area. I am not sure he is the type of keeper we need, more like a Barthez to me.
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I actually loved Bartez because he had some ability but was crackers and a character. He brought something post-Schmeichel and made me laugh but De Gea is not like him at all IMO. He doesn't take silly risks or do fancy things, its just he has an issue with deal with crosses, like Kuszczack, like Foster did. Its weird because often his handling is very good and he catches well but he seems like a fish out of water when under pressure with them, IE corners or v Stoke but that's England v Spain leagues for you. Hopefully it will come with time and I'm sure it will because pretty much everything else is spot on, the saves, kicking, attitude etc.
You talk about authority but that will come with time once he gets the language more. You see that Lindegaard has very good English and screams at people already. De Gea won't get better with match time in the Premier league. Compare him to the mistakes Foster did and its night and day, no coming out of the box rushing, missing the ball or constantly whacking clearances to their team because you can't use your feet. Yet one was given a easy ride because we (England) craved a keeper and De Gea is getting a hard time. Commentators are unfair on him IMO, he is making slight mistakes but not as much to warrant this bad press. Every thing is getting linked to him, if it can be, any goal.
You saw Joe Hart the other day with the Defoe goal where he came charging out and misjudged it but De Gea hasn't done anything like that. Hart got away with it press wise and will do until he bobbles one for England or something.
of course, there's the usual over-reaction and I don't think DDG has made any more howlers than most other keepers. I don't really recall any howlers at all, as such, unless I'm overlooking something. Every time he is pulled up over something he has been ivolved in, it usually concerns other players too. Like clearing the ball out to an opponent 60 yards away by the touchline and subsequently conceding a goal yet people react as if we couldn't possibly defend before DDG is called into action. The goal at WBA, yes, he was slow getting down to it but not exactly a howler and that's what most are like. If Rio or Vidic had been playing they wouldn't've been allowed to obstruct his access to the ball like they did for their 1st yesterday. Having said all that, I also fail to see how anyone can be "really impressed" with him and I haven't seen any evidence that he can stop shots that Linde can't. It seems a bit ridiculous that some are citing inexperience for not playing Pogba/Morrison (how do you get experience???) yet saying we must play DDG in a far more critical position when we have a more reliable alternative in Lindegaard.
young and learning, but on current form i would rarher play lindegaard for the remaining games 'that matter'. ie league
Except there is nothing modest about it at all.
I think that's misleading though - he's looked as raw in the PL sometimes as Pogba might if he was ever thrown in so I think the fact he'd never played in England is important enough not to be outweighed by saying he has over 100 appearances in Spain.
Does anyone really think our staff and scouts thought De Gea would look so uncomfortable in the PL? I don't think they did so for all this talk of him being a 'long term project' I think with hindsight United would have taken a different route to avoid their current predicament.
Rotating keepers is NEVER a good thing. Sir Alex should just pick whoever he thinks is his number 1 and give him games at a stretch. all this rotation and giving both sufficient games is bullshit imo. No other club does it. Specially considering the injury prone nature of our defence, it'd be great to have some continuity.
Easy enough for you to say in the comfort of the internet.
Neither of them are ready to play all 38 games in the league at the right level. I don't see Fergie has a choice and I reckon he's done well so far - they both look happy and confident enough, despite what they're going through.
The boy's got a great mentality, there's absolutely no doubt about that
When did i say that either needs to play all 38 games?
My point is that giving them 4-5 games at a time totally disrupts the momentum they build. With us just being in the league now, its going to get even tougher with the rotation. I dont think SAF knows who his number 1 is in all fairness, thats the only reason i can think of to explain the rotation.
he's a lightweight.
You been in hibernation the last couple of months?
Clearly Lindergaard needs to be no 1 at this time (and is) DG needs to time to adapt and no doubt fill out to be able to cope with the physical demands in our game.
His confidence has been shot to pieces causing havoc in our defense at the moment.
He needs time and a bit of patience but he has the qualities to make it.
Owen on Twitter: "One comment on yesterdays game. Don't agree with all this negativity towards De Gea. Admittedly he has made a couple of mistakes this season but listening to some people you would think he had a nightmare yesterday.
I'm not having either goal was his fault. The problem is, once you get labelled, mud sticks and now any tiny mistake is magnified. Other keepers make similar mistakes and nothing gets said. The ball was on the 6 yard box for the first goal. He has to go for it. He also needs to watch the flight of the ball. There is then 6 players in front of him. There is nothing he could do. The free header was the problem, not the keeper.
He couldn't do much with the second goal either. Is the problem not just a case of us not winning the first ball and not picking up a runner? In my opinion two bad goals to give away but to blame everything on the keeper is totally wrong. The lad will be a top keeper, he is only young. Harsh to blame him for everything."
I'm not having either goal was his fault. The problem is, once you get labelled, mud sticks and now any tiny mistake is magnified. Other keepers make similar mistakes and nothing gets said. The ball was on the 6 yard box for the first goal. He has to go for it. He also needs to watch the flight of the ball. There is then 6 players in front of him. There is nothing he could do. The free header was the problem, not the keeper.
He couldn't do much with the second goal either. Is the problem not just a case of us not winning the first ball and not picking up a runner? In my opinion two bad goals to give away but to blame everything on the keeper is totally wrong. The lad will be a top keeper, he is only young. Harsh to blame him for everything."
That's completely true and it's bad news
De Gea has been the subject for discussion and for me a media witch hunt since a couple of early mistakes against city and west brom - even against Bolton I remember him making a couple of brilliant saves but dicks like Craig burley were going for him after a poor attempt to get a cross. He saves a penalty against arsenal but they focus on the fact he could have done better for Walcott/Van Persie's goal
Anytime we've rotated - its been a big story
The only way the kid is gonna win people over is on the field - people just need to be patient, de gea is still developing physically and with work on crosses he'll be a great keeper
I don't think dropping him this much has helped his confidence, also it was a bad decision by Fergie to restore him back for the Liverpool match which was the most heated match between the two sides due to Suarez being a racist cnut.
There is no other side which rotates its goal keeper, i don't care if its Lindegaard, Amos or DDG but stick with one GK for a prolonged period of time.
There is no other side which rotates its goal keeper, i don't care if its Lindegaard, Amos or DDG but stick with one GK for a prolonged period of time.
I really didn't get the idea to bring him back for this match of all matches. However, I can see why Fergie wanted to give him a game and not keep him on the bench for too long. We have Stoke next with their aerial threat and then Chelsea away... Probably not the sort of games you'd like to bring him back four. Possibly the good match he had at Anfield previously was also in Fergie's thinking.
The whole thing is just annoying, though. There was little doubt in mid December that De Gea was our number one. There were errors along the way, yes, but he's done well overall. Even since being 'rested' for two straight matches and coming back to that Blackburn game, it's all changed.
The whole thing is just annoying, though. There was little doubt in mid December that De Gea was our number one. There were errors along the way, yes, but he's done well overall. Even since being 'rested' for two straight matches and coming back to that Blackburn game, it's all changed.
he really is. and i don't see why it might be an adavatnge in any way or form. I just don't get it.
I've never seen a keeper like it. He's 21 aswell so he's got no growth left in him really, just a bit of filling out. He's always gonna have a small frame though. Maybe he'll always be a target for big centre forwards.
Not so sure of that ... i remember John O Shea when he broke out in the team - he looked skinny. The Da Silvas are another example of how fitness and diet regime can change the physique of a player.
I bet that in a year or two, De Gea will be very different physically..
Football fans have very short memories, he was making progress game after game only a few months ago and now people are ready to write him off.
I'd go along with that... it's not as if he's short (apparently he's 6ft4 which I find hard to believe) so there's no problem in the height department. He will bulk up and he will become a bigger presence, I just wish he'd stop trying to save things with his feet!
Needs to bulk up on doughnuts.
as long as de gea is happy enough to play bit part - maybe one game in 4/5 - he'll be able to develop physically and work on his command of the area
Twitter informs me that he's played with 13 different backlines in his 20 games and Vidic has only been a part of 6 of them. Hardly ideal to build-up trust and understanding. Not to mention the Keeper rotation on top of that.
Hernandez was over 21 when he joined us and still improved his physique massively.
DDG can do the same but our scouts should have foreseen this and got him as our Nr 2 for a season, behind VdS, while he did that work. He's not ready to play in goal for United in the PL and Lindegaard, for all his efforts, is no long term Nr 1 for United...
It doesn't outweigh the fact that he's looked nervous at times in the PL, it does mean that he's in an entirely different situation to Pogba or Morrison though, neither of them have any senior appearances, so there's not much point comparing them. Particularly when we have other options for their positions whereas with De Gea our other option is a keeper who has even less experience at the top level.
There's no point speculating about how raw Pogba 'might' look, the fact is we dont know til we see him. If he comes in and does well great but you can't play him just because De Gea has looked shaky at times.
Two entirely different situations.
Time to bite the bullet and admit we made a mistake in buying this lad, he's never going to cut the mustard.
Lindergaard is No. 1 now, and if needs must we should offload De Gea.
Should have bought that Hennessey lad from Wolves, he's young and looks a really good prospect.
Lindergaard is No. 1 now, and if needs must we should offload De Gea.
Should have bought that Hennessey lad from Wolves, he's young and looks a really good prospect.
fecking hell....... He's 21.
Pogba's looked raw playing for the first team in the Carling Cup so I think it's safe to assume he'd look the same right now in the league.
The guy's point, originally, was that United would never jeopardise their league campaign by playing Pogba continuously throughout, yet we're in a situation where our league campaign could be undermined by the strategy we've adopted in our goalkeeper position.
I think it's a fair point and whether or not Pogba would look raw in the league is kind of immaterial - he was only brought up as an example of someone who perhaps would...
He's cack, I know loads of Wolves fans and I watch them quite often, seems to have issues with his footwork.
Doesn't matter if he's 12 or 35, he's never going to cope with people like Andy Carrol.
Gifted City a win this season
Most keepers can't when he's leaning on them, hence why semi-competent defenders mark him.
Steele watched him for years.
Do people seriously think that Fergie and Steele didn't notice that he still needs to develop physically when we signed him.
Do people seriously think that Fergie and Steele didn't notice that he still needs to develop physically when we signed him.
Fair point, but how many gifts has De Gea given out so far?
How many did he give out yesterday?
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