David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances

[phelans shorts]

Next false start and you're disquailified.

Berbatov ... why's he not getting played then ? SAF finally realised that he wasn't going to be the solution. Obviously a very (well certainly was) talented individual but sometimes you just don't suit.

We've changed our style of play, last season Berbatov got a golden boot, fact. He was a huge player for us for the vast majority of last season, until February when Rooney remembered how to play football.

Also, you're known to have wanted us to sign Scotland's number 2. Your view on keepers is clearly irrelevant.

 

[MaroonPondlife]

Didn't you also say Craig Gordon was the best 'keeper in the league?

Aye... what an eye you have.

He is one of the best (when fit, which has unfortunately for him been rare over the past couple of years).

You.

 

[Ivor Ballokov]

To be fair Berbs saved last season from being a failure.

 

[phelans shorts]

Last season saved Berbatov from being a complete failure. He can leave with his head held high because of that one season

Ok, I'll do it.

Spoiler

 

[Annihilate Now!]

I took a lot of stick, against the tide, for trying to convince folks that Fletcher was worth persevering with, that I thought Berbatov was a mistake for the way United played the game, and at this point I don't see the blind optimism the some folks are sharing wrt DDG.

I'm not an arrogant feck but if I was asked what 'My chosen subject' (it you know what I'm referring to here) was then I'd say football - its an obsession.

BTW you're the one that said talks about '100% failure'... looking at you pal.

Really?? Because you're doing a fine job of portraying yourself in that light

Anyway... I'm sure you were the only person to identify that Fletcher had potential... good job you sent that text to Fergie telling him to stick with him aye, otherwise lord knows where he'd have ended up. Berbatov was the golden boot winner last game, and his goals helped win us the league, so yeah massive mistake there.

Blind optimism with DDG?? Or are we putting our trust in a talent that Fergie has identified, and that had been hotly tipped even before joining us. The boy is 21 years old, he has his whole career ahead of us, and he has already shown some promise between the stick for us (in amongst the errors that is). Your original post implies that your opinion on the lad is in fact, a reality, and thus your eye for football is incredible... when in reality, it's still early days and no definite conclusion has been made yet.

As for the 100% failure thing... well that's what your post implied. Sorry, maybe I exaggerated, will 95% suit you??

If only we'd bought Craig fecking Gordon aye??

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Last season saved Berbatov from being a complete failure. He can leave with his head held high because of that one season

You talk some serious shite, Randy. I also like how you imply that it was some kind of stroke of luck that he was the top scorer in the league.

 

[MaroonPondlife]

We've changed our style of play, last season Berbatov got a golden boot, fact. He was a huge player for us for the vast majority of last season, until February when Rooney remembered how to play football.

Also, you're known to have wanted us to sign Scotland's number 2. Your view on keepers is clearly irrelevant.

Indeed and the team has been far less effective (put in perspective and don't be lazy by saying that league was still won).

The only reason Shagger MacGregor has played in goals is because Gordon has been injured ... not based on ability. That twat makes countless mistakes but because he plays behind a dominant team they tend to get overlooked ... sound familiar ?

If you want to look at consistency then look no further that CG.

 

[Dion]

At De Gea's age, Tim Krul was sitting on the bench in the Championship behind Steve Harper, 21 is no age for a goalkeeper.

 

[Randall Flagg]

DDG looked very special last season and for Spain U21's I can understand why the club would take the risk.

He seemed so confident I was certain he would start well.

But he hasnt

 

[phelans shorts]

Indeed and the team has been far less effective (put in perspective and don't be lazy by saying that league was still won).

Is this even in English?

The only reason Shagger MacGregor has played in goals is because Gordon has been injured ... not based on ability. That twat makes countless mistakes but because he plays behind a dominant team they tend to get overlooked ... sound familiar ?

He has played because he outperforms the other Scottish keepers, nothing more nothing less. Hence why he is continuously linked with bigger clubs (including us).

If you want to look at consistency then look no further that CG.

Consistently average.

 

[MaroonPondlife]

Really?? Because you're doing a fine job of portraying yourself in that light

Anyway... I'm sure you were the only person to identify that Fletcher had potential... good job you sent that text to Fergie telling him to stick with him aye, otherwise lord knows where he'd have ended up. Berbatov was the golden boot winner last game, and his goals helped win us the league, so yeah massive mistake there.

Don't be ridiculous ... I don't own a mobile. Laughable. 'The world is built on Lego blocks' according to Annihilate Now.

Blind optimism with DDG?? Or are we putting our trust in a talent that Fergie has identified, and that had been hotly tipped even before joining us. The boy is 21 years old, he has his whole career ahead of us, and he has already shown some promise between the stick for us (in amongst the errors that is). Your original post implies that your opinion on the lad is in fact, a reality, and thus your eye for football is incredible... when in reality, it's still early days and no definite conclusion has been made yet.

As for the 100% failure thing... well that's what your post implied. Sorry, maybe I exaggerated, will 95% suit you??

If only we'd bought Craig fecking Gordon aye??

Interesting Of course he's shown some promise ... plenty of young footballers playing at the top show 'some promise' I've yet to see anything that suggests he'll be anything other than a run-of-the-mill EPL keeper. I'll be happy to eat my words if DDG proves otherwise. I'm big enough to admit when I'm wrong.

And if you haven't seen enough of CG then I'd suggest you refrain from commenting as you won't be taken seriously.

 

[Liam147]

Saying that we have a problem in this position is hardly wumming. I think its quite obvious and not stupid at all

You didn't say problem. If you did, that's your opinion, fine, but you said we had a 'major problem'. A major problem would infer that we have two bang out of form goalkeepers that are regularly shipping goals. We have one, steady, reliable keeper, and one who, for the time being, we can only say has potential.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

Don't be ridiculous ... I don't own a mobile. Laughable. 'The world is build on Lego blocks' according to Annihilate Now.

What does this even mean?? Anbody??

Interesting Of course he's shown some promise ... plenty of young footballers playing at the top show 'some promise' I've yet to see anything that suggests he'll be anything other than a run-of-the-mill EPL keeper. I'll be happy to eat my words if DDG proves otherwise. I'm big enough to admit when I'm wrong.

And if you haven't seen enough of CG then I'd suggest you refrain from commenting as you won't be taken seriously.

That's fair enough, that's your opinion, and it's one you can argue for reasonably... but then, don't strut around here like some fecking know it all saying you've got some pleasure out of us losing to fecking liverpool because you've been proven right... when in fact feck all has been proven.

As for Gordon, seen enough of Gordon?? fecking hell... for someone who says they're not arrogant, you're still doing a fine impression of being arrogant. For the record, I live with Sunderland fans, I work with Sunderland fans, to a man, they all say he's good, but not amazing, and not worth the money they spent on him. But forget their opinion, as I have my own... He's solid, but nothing special, there are at least 10 keeps in the Premiership who are better then him.

If he was one of the best, then why is MON allegedly looking to get rid, and why are the Sunderland fans not all that bothered?? Because CG isn't some beacon of world class keeping, and they've got Westwood, who is very promising.

 

[MaroonPondlife]

Is this even in English?



He has played because he outperforms the other Scottish keepers, nothing more nothing less. Hence why he is continuously linked with bigger clubs (including us).



Consistently average.

I miss out he word 'it', and possibly a comma. Engage your brain. No you instead try to score points outwith the topic. Its pretty obvious what I'm talking about ... I've given you the benefit of the doubt without having to spell it out Lego blocks style.

Go on any Scottish football forum and ask the question who they think is the better of the two. All but the most blinkered Gers fans would pick Gordon as the #1.

After a short while I suspect you'd be generally ignored in a discussion on football at the pub unless you were consistently getting in the rounds.

 

[Ivor Ballokov]

Where are you from MaroonPondlife because I want to visit this wonderous land that shuns mobile phones in favour of a lego based message system.

 

[pocco]

You talk some serious shite, Randy. I also like how you imply that it was some kind of stroke of luck that he was the top scorer in the league.

Out of interest, how may games did Berbatov play in and score vs. play in and not score?

It has been a foregone conclusion that he scored all his goals in just a handful of games, but I'd like to see the stats properly.

 

[phelans shorts]

I miss out he word 'it', and possibly a comma. Engage your brain. No you instead try to score points outwith the topic. Its pretty obvious what I'm talking about ... I've given you the benefit of the doubt without having to spell it out Lego blocks style.

Go on any Scottish football forum and ask the question who they think is the better of the two. All but the most blinkered Gers fans would pick Gordon as the #1.

After a short while I suspect you'd be generally ignored in a discussion on football at the pub unless you were consistently getting in the rounds.

fecking hell you love your Lego don't you

Gordon isn't a quality keeper, he's average at best, the fact he's being pushed out for a youngster speaks volumes. That's just the way it is. No amount of Lego based "insults" will change that.

Also I wouldn't be surprised if no one listens to your views even if you buy them every drink. you clearly are some kind of faux expert who attempts to blah your way through anything without actually possessing any knowledge on your specialist subject.

 

[Liam147]

Out of interest, how may games did Berbatov play in and score vs. play in and not score?

It has been a foregone conclusion that he scored all his goals in just a handful of games, but I'd like to see the stats properly.

Don't know how the thread got onto Berbatov, and without meaning to derail it further, he got 21 league goals last season(?) five against Blackburn, three against Liverpool and three against Birmingham. That's 11 of his 21 right there. One against Blackpool and another against Birmingham. Someone else will fill in the rest I'm sure.

 

[Snow]

DDG looked very special last season and for Spain U21's I can understand why the club would take the risk.

He seemed so confident I was certain he would start well.

But he hasnt

I share this sentiment. Was even confident after the CS because that was his 1st game and vs City. I still don't think without the rotations he'd have done better. Same if Lindegaard had started and not get rotated.

That being said I don't think his game is any worse than his status before the game. His mistakes weren't big. The same ones Lindegaard has been making all season unnoticed. People just take offence because they are accumulating.

He's had two MoM performances vs Chelsea and Liverpool so far so it's not like it's been all bad.

 

[Randall Flagg]

You talk some serious shite, Randy. I also like how you imply that it was some kind of stroke of luck that he was the top scorer in the league.

I didnt mean to imply that at all. He was very good last season. He was well below par the previous 2 seasons and this season he has been frozen out of the side

So that one season has saved his Utd career from being deemed a complete failure

 

[MaroonPondlife]

What does this even mean?? Anbody??

Its pretty obvious what it means. Your point (the one I referred to) was laughable. I was agreeing with Ferguson (on Fletcher) ... that he was right to stick by the lad despite the pelters he was getting from many.

Your answers were child-like, like building blocks. There was no real thought put into them above beyond the obvious. Again, I afford you the benefit of thinking I'm discussing this topic with someone who ca fill in the blanks but no I get simple black & white replies.[/QUOTE]

That's fair enough, that's your opinion, and it's one you can argue for reasonably... but then, don't strut around here like some fecking know it all saying you've got some pleasure out of us losing to fecking liverpool because you've been proven right... when in fact feck all has been proven.

As for Gordon, seen enough of Gordon?? fecking hell... for someone who says they're not arrogant, you're still doing a fine impression of being arrogant. For the record, I live with Sunderland fans, I work with Sunderland fans, to a man, they all say he's good, but not amazing, and not worth the money they spent on him. But forget their opinion, as I have my own... He's solid, but nothing special, there are at least 10 keeps in the Premiership who are better then him.

If he was one of the best, then why is MON allegedly looking to get rid, and why are the Sunderland fans not all that bothered?? Because CG isn't some beacon of world class keeping, and they've got Westwood, who is very promising.

You seriously want to go back and re-read that. I've said nothing of the sort. There's so much of this shit on here ... that is putting words in other folks cyber mouths. I said I think that to date I've been vindicated in my initial belief (even at the pre-season stage) that he didn't look ready nor that I was convinced that he would be the top class keeper that everybody just assumed he was or would turn into. Absolutely NOTHING to do with today's result.

On Gordon: why have you watched a high percentage of Sunderland's games since 2007 ? Do you form your opinions from mates or work colleagues ? I mean I often take into account what my mates say about a player but I'm not going to stake my reputation on other folk's assessments - it will be based on my own impressions.

When he was fit he was easily one of the best. The only reason MoN would be looking to get rid (allegedly) would be for non-footballing reasons (net benefit to the club in terms of games played to transfer fee/wages), and that may well be attributed to his injuries, which may be worse than reported.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

I didnt mean to imply that at all. He was very good last season. He was well below par the previous 2 seasons and this season he has been frozen out of the side

No, he wasn't. 12 and 15 league goals at Spurs. Followed by 9 and 12 with us.

So that one season has saved his Utd career from being deemed a complete failure

Horseshit. Although I imagine it does for you.

 

[SATA]

Almost every single poster has been mentioning about his obvious talent or potential, i don't for one see it to be honest, least not yet. Of course he can still improve at 21, but is it only because of his age that it's automatically assumed he has another level or two to reach? Goalkeeping ability aside, the boy's confidence looked absolutely shot and rattled tonight

 

[Randall Flagg]

No, he wasn't. 12 and 15 league goals at Spurs. Followed by 9 and 12 with us.



Horseshit. Although I imagine it does for you.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Outstanding riposte.

 

[Randall Flagg]

Outstanding riposte.

I was taking a leaf out of your book for that reply.

Berbs 1st two seasons have been done to death at this stage, I think and will always think he was poor for both of them

You think he was outstanding. We will have to agree to disagree

 

[Lance Uppercut]

I was taking a leaf out of your book for that reply.

Berbs 1st two seasons have been done to death at this stage, I think and will always think he was poor for both of them

You think he was outstanding. We will have to agree to disagree

When did I say that? Stop making stuff up.

 

[MaroonPondlife]

And just to add ... I'd say most Sunderland fans were expecting the second coming of Christ when CG arrived for then a British Club record ~9mill. They didn't factor in that he was playing inn front of defenders like Bramble, Turner, Ferdinand & Nosworthy, and managed by two tip top managers in Keane & Bruce.

 

[Amir]

It's like we've gone four-five months back with De Gea. I felt quite good about him around early December, he's had solid months, even though the papers were already preparing a list of mistakes.

I can't help but think the way we've handled the situation was hopeless. He was looking good, he was benched for two matches (QPR and Wigan), then brought back against Blackburn, looked bad, was dropped for four games or so, and was now brought back for a big away game. I can't help but wonder if all this would have been avoided had he simply played against QPR and Wigan, that those two weeks of inactivity hurt him. No way of knowing for sure, but frankly, it shouldn't have even been a question mark because there was no reason for him not to play those games.

Now we're in a worse position than we were in August, because we've already gotten to the stage of 'dropping' him for recent games, and Lindegaard returning for the next league game would be considered automatic as he's been our number one. Well, for four weeks or so, anyway.

I still have great faith in De Gea, but if Fergie thought he could handle a top two keeper situation, chop and change between them, without any damage to the team - he was dead wrong.

 

[Sparky_Hughes]

How can you fools argue over such trivial matters on the day our saviour leaves us.

 

[R.N7]

Because with your approach United would be getting cacked on every week. Any manager worth his salt must know when to admit a mistake and take a hard decision, even it it cost the club 18 mill or 32 mill in the case of a certain Bulgarian, to name two egs.

You just hate it because I, and a few have been right all along ... I take a bit of pleasure in that, if only because it partly justifies my eye for the game but not because I want DDG to fail ... from day one he didn't look ready, and I'm still not convinced he does actually have all the qualities to be a top class keeper.

Anyway, SAF & his backroom staff should no better, you'd think.

I'm sorry but this is even more self-congratulatory than whoever's decision it was to place that Nani thread in the classics.

 

[Bryan_Munich]

Wouldn't be surprised in the slightest to see him starting on Tuesday against Stoke.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

Its pretty obvious what it means. Your point (the one I referred to) was laughable. I was agreeing with Ferguson (on Fletcher) ... that he was right to stick by the lad despite the pelters he was getting from many.

Your answers were child-like, like building blocks. There was no real thought put into them above beyond the obvious. Again, I afford you the benefit of thinking I'm discussing this topic with someone who ca fill in the blanks but no I get simple black & white replies.

Oh yeah, totally obvious that... this despite the fact that I indicated that many people, not just you, said to have faith in Fletcher... but away from that, the fact that you think Berbatov has been a failure is absurd.

You seriously want to go back and re-read that. I've said nothing of the sort. There's so much of this shit on here ... that is putting words in other folks cyber mouths. I said I think that to date I've been vindicated in my initial belief (even at the pre-season stage) that he didn't look ready nor that I was convinced that he would be the top class keeper that everybody just assumed he was or would turn into. Absolutely NOTHING to do with today's result.

Oh feck right off... seriously, go and actually feck off... this is EXACTLY what you said.

You just hate it because I, and a few have been right all along ... I take a bit of pleasure in that, if only because it partly justifies my eye for the game but not because I want DDG to fail ...

Therefore, you take pleasure that you were "right" about DDG, which in-turn implies you take pleasure in DDG underperforming, which would be in a game like today. That's what you said, and thats what your words imply... but please, backtrack quicker... makes the rest of your arguments look all the stronger.

On Gordon: why have you watched a high percentage of Sunderland's games since 2007 ? Do you form your opinions from mates or work colleagues ? I mean I often take into account what my mates say about a player but I'm not going to stake my reputation on other folk's assessments - it will be based on my own impressions.

You're right, which is why I said....

. But forget their opinion, as I have my own... He's solid, but nothing special, there are at least 10 keeps in the Premiership who are better then him.

Seriously, you should try actually reading in future, it'll make you sound less of a moron. To quantify that, I've lived in Newcastle for 3 years, and been to see Sunderland at the SOL about 15 times, as my boss is a season ticket holder and often invites me along. How many times have you been can I ask??

When he was fit he was easily one of the best. The only reason MoN would be looking to get rid (allegedly) would be for non-footballing reasons (net benefit to the club in terms of games played to transfer fee/wages), and that may well be attributed to his injuries, which may be worse than reported.

That's fine, that's your opinion, I'm just presenting the fact that a lot of other people think differently... and you'd have to imagine if that he really was a world class talent, that a) MON, as the new man coming in, would want to keep hima round, and b) their fans would be a lot more bothered then they actually are.

 

[MaroonPondlife]

I'm sorry but this is even more self-congratulatory than whoever's decision it was to place that Nani thread in the classics.

Whatever dude ... we (a few of us anyway) have generally been proven right on this subject ... for now anyway. If you'd have called it in an exchange then I'd have had no problem acknowledging your perception.

As I said, I don't take any pleasure in knocking the lad, but I do take some pleasure in being smug with certain individual posters who had a go like I was some three-headed monster.

Some folks just can't take it in return.

 

[GCHQ]

It's absolutely laughable for people to try and cover up De Gea's fundamental GK weaknesses by putting it down to him being rotated for the odd league and cup game.

 

[That'sHernandez]

I'm pretty sure MaroonPondlife is a WUM, I wouldn't even humour him.

 

[MaroonPondlife]

Oh yeah, totally obvious that... this despite the fact that I indicated that many people, not just you, said to have faith in Fletcher... but away from that, the fact that you think Berbatov has been a failure is absurd.

Just as a few (based on this site) don't think DDG is the right choice just now. Did I actually say Berbatov was a fail failure ? NOPE. As I said ... go back ad re-read ... you're blinded by your own opinion. I said that I thought Berbatov was a mistake for the way United played the game. Go back and check it out, you'll see I'm right.

Oh feck right off... seriously, go and actually feck off... this is EXACTLY what you said.

Therefore, you take pleasure that you were "right" about DDG, which in-turn implies you take pleasure in DDG underperforming, which would be in a game like today. That's what you said, and thats what your words imply... but please, backtrack quicker... makes the rest of your arguments look all the stronger.

Here's what you said I wrote: 'saying you've got some pleasure out of us losing to fecking liverpool because you've been proven right',

What I actually wrote:'You just hate it because I, and a few have been right all along ... I take a bit of pleasure in that, if only because it partly justifies my eye for the game but not because I want DDG to fail ... from day one he didn't look ready, and I'm still not convinced he does actually have all the qualities to be a top class keeper.'

Your subsequent reply above is some serious 'turning shit around'. You can't be taken seriously.

You're right, which is why I said....



Seriously, you should try actually reading in future, it'll make you sound less of a moron.

Funnier by the moment if it wasn't so pathetic.

To quantify that, I've lived in Newcastle for 3 years, and been to see Sunderland at the SOL about 15 times, as my boss is a season ticket holder and often invites me along. How many times have you been can I ask??



That's fine, that's your opinion, I'm just presenting the fact that a lot of other people think differently... and you'd have to imagine if that he really was a world class talent, that a) MON, as the new man coming in, would want to keep hima round, and b) their fans would be a lot more bothered then they actually are.

Right, so you've seen him perhaps 15 times live (assuming he played on all those occasions) and I assume a few times on the telly (if they show live Sunderland games in Newcastle). Gordon has made 80 appearances for Sunderland so you may have seen a quarter of them. Fair enough, I'd like to think I could rate a player based on that number of times.

And since you ask, I've never been to the SoL (once to see United at Roker Park in '82 - fecking mental atmosphere btw), but I will say that I've followed Gordon closely and have caught the at least 50% of his EPL games live on TV so I think I'm fairly well placed to form an opinion on him, especially in the context that like the saddo I am, I've been taking in 4-6 EPL games every weekend for the last six years.

At this point we don't know whether MoN wants him or not - its not necessarily all down to him is it. Many Mackems from what I've read are resigned to losing him, for the reasons I've stated before (injuries/bang-for-the-buck).

 

[MaroonPondlife]

i'm pretty sure maroonpondlife is a wum, i wouldn't even humour him.

'YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH':d

 

[Lance Uppercut]

if only because it partly justifies my eye for the game

 

[MaroonPondlife]

hoho another one raises his head. Take it on the chin Lance.