loan out a 20m goalie, that doesn't make any sense and it will not happen.
David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances
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To be frank he was a big reason we got knocked out of the CL in the Basel game and he's a big reason we've been knocked out of the FA Cup. Lindegaard should start all games from now on (apart from the Europa) and De Gea should go on the Neville Southall diet until he can impose himself in the penalty box.
Problem for DDG now is even if he's not completely at fault, the media are going to blame him for everything. I really hope he has a strong head and doesn't waste his time listening to the cretins in the media.
Blaming us going out on 1 mistake in Basel is wrong, blame the calamitous defending in other games. Phil Jones, Johnny Evans, Da Silva's. All just as culpable as De Gea, as are others.
He is in no way to blame for yesterday, which were a clusterfeck and Evra respectively.
De Gea should be the number 1 for all games. Even Europa.
De Gea wasnt just at Atletico for 1 season. He had 28 appearances for Atletico in all competitions the season before.
He also won the europa league and won a competition with his national under 21s team as well. And before that was even in a 30 man provisional squad for Spain's 2010 world cup winning squad.
De Gea's experience in his time at Atletico was far and beyond whatever Courtois manages there this season.
Also Atletico have conceeded more goals at this stage this season than they had at this stage last season with De Gea in goal. They were also 2 places higher up the table.
This isnt to say Courtois isnt good, just that clearly he's behind where David De Gea was in terms of development when we signed him. So of course they're looking to loan him out next season as well
What's more important here, giving confidence and experience to one of our GK's, or making sure the team performs to the very best of its capabilities and wins trophies?
Long Term >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Short Term.
Shouldn't De Gea have done better for Liverpool's first? Ince and Keane certainly seemed to think so in the ITV studio.
I didn't hold him totally culpable, I said that his mistake was a big reason we went out of the CL. I refuse to buy this line that he had nothing to do with the first goal yesterday, he was concentrating more on pushing Carrol than actually commanding his area.
He was the lesser of several evils. However "defence shows lack of competence" doesn't fit the press narrative of "dodgy keeper makes another error"
Probably. If this was September I'd say give him a run for a few months. Its very tempting to bench him at this stage of the season though. Another factor to consider is Lindegaard's confidence and feelings if he's ignored. He's not exactly short term, can easily give us 8-10 years of service.
It was abundantly clear that Foster's stint at Watford in no way prepared him for life at United. They loved him at Watforf but he was a disaster from his very first game for us. For all his difficulty settling in, De Gea already looks a better fit than Foster ever did. Which goes to show how pointless loaning out keepers can be. You can't compare keeping nets for a relegation candidate with playing for a team like United.
Not when it's the first season that Manchester City have been favourites for the League.
That's why I'm disappointed we're in this situation - Ferguson will be more hungry than ever to win the league this year, and he's got to do it with this situation handicapping him.
From now until the end of the season, I think he'll pick whoever he thinks will do the better job on the day, regardless of the future, and I think Lindegaard may well end up playing more than De Gea.
I don't really get your logic - you seem to be suggesting that we potentially weaken our team in order to give De Gea career experience, while we're engaged in an epic battle to prevent City winning the Premiership for the first time. I'd far rather Ferguson picks whatever he thinks is his strongest team to ensure United finish as champions.
I'll never forget Foster winning us the game at Derby. What high hopes I had for him after that game, thought it would give him the confidence required to be our number one. Just shows how strange a thing GK confidence is.
As Michael Owen said, its on the edge of his 6 yard box. He has to come and he's watching the flight of the ball.
The real issue is that 3 Liverpool players beat 4 United players to the jump in that crowd. And our 2 defenders on the line couldnt get to it.
We had all these players back but they couldnt deal with it
De Gea didn't get that run, hence our current situation where he's lost the confidence he had built up as he was ignored to give Lindegaard some games.
Why let go a player who will be one of the greats to stick with solid?
DDG has been far from the incompetent keeper he has been painted out to be. Just look at how much the defence in front of him has been chopped and changed.
Add to that a keeper adjusting to a lot more robust league...
I think Fergie giving both keepers a fair run of games is due to him not wanting either to get impatient.
Once we do get a 'stable' defence the goalkeepers we have will dramatically reduce the sort of errors we have seen especially from DDG.
Add to that a keeper adjusting to a lot more robust league...
I think Fergie giving both keepers a fair run of games is due to him not wanting either to get impatient.
Once we do get a 'stable' defence the goalkeepers we have will dramatically reduce the sort of errors we have seen especially from DDG.
When did it become 'abundantly clear' to you? While he was earning plaudits at Watford or only when he came back?
Are Chelsea wasting their time then?
The fact that things didn't work out with Foster doesn't mean getting Premier League experience is a bad idea - especially if the goalkeeper in question is foreign and has no experience of the English game.
Let's say we beat City to the league this season, then next year would be their first go at winning it etc...
City will win the league in the next couple of years, it's unavoidable. We might as well set ourselves up to challenge the endless oil cash they have by improving our side long term, which includes getting De Gea the necessary experience ASAP and giving other young players the game time while older ones can make up for their mistakes too.
When did I first think Foster wasn't United quality? Pre-season.
As for Chelsea's approach. Time will tell. Right now their keeper is still catching up on the experience De Gea already had when we signed him. Remains to be seen how they get on with finding him a PL loan.
Well exactly. We messed up and now we're throwing him in the deep end hoping he learns how to swim. If he has more games like at Anfield, that eventually cost us the title, that blow to his confidence will be much greater than the one he'll suffer sitting on the bench. What's the hurry to make him number 1? He can afford a couple of months on the sidelines.
How did he cost us the game? By having shite defending in front of him?
I can't believe I'm about to say this, read what Michael Owen said, he summed it up well.
And you think Alex Ferguson is going to be content to share your attitude - 'City will win the league in the next couple of years anyway'?
Of course he won't - he might only have a couple of seasons left and leaving the job with City as champions would be his worst nightmare.
I don't think it's an 'either or' situation - United have to be able to challenge every season and also develop players without weakening the side. That's very hard to maintain when introducing a new keeper to the side which is why I think buying two players with zero PL experience was ill advised.
You can't believe that Michael Owen knows more about football than you? Righto...
There must be a very good reason why such an experienced manager would do so?
We keep getting back to this, who should he have gone for from the PL?
Well Owen isn't exactly going to come out and criticize a team mate is he? Everyone not connected with Manchester United have said he could have done better.
Maybe he didn't cost us the game (too strongly worded that), I'm still certain his confidence must have taken a beating. He looked nervy throughout and wasn't exactly a commanding presence.
I'm sure he believed that De Gea would be better equipped than he is.
I like De Gea a lot and I can see what the club was thinking. I hope he stays and becomes a genuine United keeper. But, looking at him now I can't believe our scouts couldn't have seen that he required so much work that it would be difficult to combine that with being our out and out Nr 1 and playing every week.
He's had no confidence since he was dropped for no apparent reason in December.
A young goalkeeper will always make little mistakes like that, he'll even the best do, to single him out as many have done for either goal is laughable.
I'm sure there was a great reason why we signed Djemba Djemba too. Doesn't mean it always works out and there's nothing wrong with questioning that.
Yes, you're desperate for me to give you a name so you can shoot the idea down in flames.
The reality is that Ferguson is going to be forced to pick Lindegaard a lot now, something he wouldn't have anticipated or wanted at the start of the season. I don't believe that Lindegaard is good enough ultimately for United and there's several Premiership keepers we could have signed I'd rather have right now if we're going to be forced to abandon De Gea and play a back up goalie for the title run in.
That's sort of the point I'm trying to make. Its not going to get any better. Any tiny mistake is going to be magnified. Away fans will target him. Teams will target him at set pieces. He's going to be under immense pressure because of the way we mismanaged him in December. Its not fair on him. This is why I feel we're better off protecting him for the remainder of the season. Maybe only give him games in Europe where he'll get protection.
I wasn't questioning the signing per se, but the fact that Fergie must have had a very good reason for signing two relatively inexperienced goalkeepers at the same time.
Am not looking to shoot anything down mate. The fat is, with VDS gone, we went for a long term plan, De Gea. Now, we have to deal with the downside of it. he will make mistakes but thats how he'l learn. 21 is no age for a keeper. He's much ahead of his time. I dont think we need to play lindegaard a lot now either. It'l be a massive downer for de gea's confidence. let him have games, stoke at home we should be able to deal with. Chelsea again arent a side that'l cross the ball at him all game long.
The season before we'd bought and integrated Hernandez and Smalling into the team so well and I think he probably thought that the De Gea signing would go along similar lines. We'd done so well with those two signings it looked like we'd become masterful at the art of introducing and preparing players to play for us.
The difficulty of integrating keepers has reared it's ugly head for him yet again though, and the transition hasn't been as smooth as I'm sure he hoped and expected.
Owen is not going to criticise a fellow player is he.
De Gea made mistakes for both goals as did the defence. But some on here are in denial at times. This happened after his last game - you had 2 camps its never De gea fault and blame the defence or that he is rubbish and Lindegard should be playing.
I dont think anyone can say with any certainty how he will develop but its only from playing will he get better.
De Gea made mistakes for both goals as did the defence. But some on here are in denial at times. This happened after his last game - you had 2 camps its never De gea fault and blame the defence or that he is rubbish and Lindegard should be playing.
I dont think anyone can say with any certainty how he will develop but its only from playing will he get better.
I doubt De Gea will play against Stoke...
Had Foster turned out to be good enough it would have been the same approach, he didn't and we had our first choice No1 retiring and a No2 that wasn't good enough... we had to buy someone who was both good enough to step into the first team and young enough to be in the team for a long time. Of the options De Gea looked a about the best bet, behind Neuer who didn't want to leave Germany.
I still think he'll be a top keeper and I think he's actually done very well for us bar 2 or 3 shaky performances when we didnt have Rio or Vidic in front of him.
Lots of people like buying into the press attention on him and at this stage its getting a bit stupid when we have people writing off a 21 year old after 6 months.
I still think he'll be a top keeper and I think he's actually done very well for us bar 2 or 3 shaky performances when we didnt have Rio or Vidic in front of him.
Lots of people like buying into the press attention on him and at this stage its getting a bit stupid when we have people writing off a 21 year old after 6 months.
We can always pull a Scholes and grab van der Sar out of retirement 
Perhaps not, wouldnt be surprised. Wouldnt be surprised if he played either though. handling a game vs stoke well would do wonders for his confidence.
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